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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:08 PM Jul 2016

Today's new message from Bernie: Why I endorsed Hillary Clinton

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/13/bernie-sanders-why-i-endorsed-hillary-clinton-commentary.html

During the Democratic platform proceedings in St. Louis and Orlando, we were victorious in including amendments to make it a clear priority of the Democratic Party to fight for a $15 an hour federal minimum wage, expand Social Security, abolish the death penalty, put a price on carbon, establish a path toward the legalization of marijuana, enact major criminal justice reforms, pass comprehensive immigration reform, end for-profit prisons and detention facilities, break up too-big-to-fail banks and create a 21st century Glass-Steagall Act, close loopholes that allow big companies to avoid taxes by stashing their cash in offshore tax havens and use that revenue to rebuild America, approve the most expansive agenda ever for protecting Native American rights and so much more.

All of these progressive policies were at the heart of our campaign. The truth is our movement is responsible for the most progressive Democratic platform in the history of our country. All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months.

But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward. We must elect the Democratic nominee in November and progressive Democrats up and down the ballot so that we ensure that these policy commitments can advance.

It is extremely important that we keep our movement together, that we hold public officials accountable and that we elect progressive candidates to office at the federal, state, and local level who will stand with us.


Please let me know that you will stand with me to defeat Donald Trump, and to elect candidates who will stand by our agenda as part of the future of our political revolution.

Forever committed, forever fighting, forever forward,

Bernie Sanders


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Today's new message from Bernie: Why I endorsed Hillary Clinton (Original Post) pnwmom Jul 2016 OP
I'd prefer he try to appeal to all voters rather than his holdouts.... bettyellen Jul 2016 #1
Yeah, a lot of Hillary supporters wanted him to grovel and beg too. fasttense Jul 2016 #8
"Her supporters' behavior" TwilightZone Jul 2016 #12
Asking him to broaden his outreach has nothing to do with groveling and everything to do with bettyellen Jul 2016 #22
Excellent reply. Great analysis. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #35
I get the sense some hold outs desperately want to be courted just so bettyellen Jul 2016 #39
I'd say you've got them all figured out. But that's not to say that they won't continue to try ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #43
Who are "all voters" you speak of? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #23
She got almost double the votes from Dems- 65/35% bettyellen Jul 2016 #25
That would be 6.8% of Dems lancer78 Jul 2016 #34
She trounced him. bettyellen Jul 2016 #38
That wasn't my point lancer78 Jul 2016 #48
Bernie was tied or even ahead in Democratic primary polls near the end of the campaign LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #45
Most undecides could not be bothered to vote in the primary so please don't even think any candidate bettyellen Jul 2016 #46
Who is rewriting the story? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #47
It's not like the undecideds are to Bernie's right Ken Burch Jul 2016 #50
I think his campaign was a success but he needs to stop chasing the hold outs. No more no less. bettyellen Jul 2016 #51
Finding fault with Bernie has become such a compulsive habit, John Poet Jul 2016 #31
I believe the new TOS allows for constructive criticism. Lyric Jul 2016 #37
I think you're underestimating the need for Bernie to maintain a positive attitude of his... aikoaiko Jul 2016 #36
One day at a time. By now, doesn't everyone realize Bernie knows what he is doing? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #40
We've been working to get more voters on the rolls and support for down ticket races aready bettyellen Jul 2016 #41
Bernie isn't patting himself on the back...he's making the case that his campaign was worth it Ken Burch Jul 2016 #49
The devil is in the details: Hillary Clinton released a debt free college plan that we developed insta8er Jul 2016 #2
Bernie is fine with those details, and urges his supporters to work for Hillary pnwmom Jul 2016 #3
Yes because all of this is pie in the sky that no one person can pull off without insta8er Jul 2016 #4
True. None of this will happen without support from Hillary and Dems pnwmom Jul 2016 #7
Who is we? sheshe2 Jul 2016 #5
I quoted a part of the original piece. Which is several pages long, so I don't blame you for not insta8er Jul 2016 #6
I read his whole statement and don't see anything saying "the devil is in the details.'" pnwmom Jul 2016 #9
That part I wrote in my post...after that is the quote, but why are you asking the obvious? insta8er Jul 2016 #10
You responded to my OP, and then tell me to move along? That's rich. nt pnwmom Jul 2016 #11
When you are asking ME the obvious, something I pointed out in my response yes....because insta8er Jul 2016 #13
You are wrong to think that the tuition plan won't help people with unemployed parents. pnwmom Jul 2016 #14
Ok thank you for pointing that out, clearly I can only create an opinion based upon the information insta8er Jul 2016 #15
It has been clearly stated that the benefits will apply to anyone with family pnwmom Jul 2016 #16
I did a search through the article, just in case I missed it...In the article you are referencing insta8er Jul 2016 #17
Is there some reason you limited yourself to just the one article, pnwmom Jul 2016 #18
I am limiting myself to the article you have posted in your post, and referencing what is in that. insta8er Jul 2016 #19
Right, because you'd rather immediately dump on the platform than look for an article pnwmom Jul 2016 #20
No I read the article you post and make a conclusion, based upon what is written in the article. insta8er Jul 2016 #21
Nicely done. klook Jul 2016 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #26
This was posted at Medium yesterday and reposted at CNBC today benny05 Jul 2016 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #28
Sanders should broaden his appeal to Trump's working class voters The Second Stone Jul 2016 #29
He Just Endorsed benny05 Jul 2016 #30
Trump is vulnerable here and this would be a good line of attack The Second Stone Jul 2016 #44
I'm glad he is reiterating his endorsement and support for Hillary and downticket Dems! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #32
I look forward to full-throated support from Bernie, 'cause nobody does full-throated like him! Hekate Jul 2016 #33
Bernie gets it cosmicone Jul 2016 #42
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. I'd prefer he try to appeal to all voters rather than his holdouts....
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jul 2016

Everyone reasonable who supported him is already #withHER. The remaining small percentage of folks who will never vote for "the establishment" he sought so hard to demonize are not worth going after. Sanders should be hammering home the huge differences between the parties, instead of patting himself on the back. It's unseemly.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
8. Yeah, a lot of Hillary supporters wanted him to grovel and beg too.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jul 2016

And you insulting Bernie is going to ensure those who don't want to support Hillary will Not support Hillary. Her supporters' behavior is frequently mentioned as reasons why some Bernie or bust Democrats wont reunite with the party.

Keep hammering away at Bernie and you will see even more Democrats drifting away.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
12. "Her supporters' behavior"
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

If they can't be bothered to a) separate the candidate from her supporters and b) understand the difference between Trump and Clinton, they were never going to vote for Clinton anyway.

It's just a convenient excuse. Luckily, they're a very small minority.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. Asking him to broaden his outreach has nothing to do with groveling and everything to do with
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jul 2016

Engaging more likely voters. Your inaccurate interpretation of my post and subsequent hot headed response is indicative of the sort of entrenched anger I don't think sanders can do a damned thing about. He opened a can of worms and fifteen percent bolted and it's time to move on. Total waste of time to try and woo the perpetually angry ones. Bad strategy to keep making it about his campaign- because it is not. Could get embarrassing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
39. I get the sense some hold outs desperately want to be courted just so
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

They can reject her for shits and giggles. This includes the farters, the green shirter planning to walk out or turn their backs and the ones who'll make fools of themselves calling her bi*ch and worse. Waste of time.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. I'd say you've got them all figured out. But that's not to say that they won't continue to try ...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

... just that you won't be baited into playing that game, or flattering their vanities.

I'm optimistic that they'll eventually come around and rally behind our party's nominee.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
23. Who are "all voters" you speak of?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jul 2016

Democratic voters I would presume. And I'd also presume you are referring to yourself.

So what exactly do those of you that still insist that he stop trying to push his platform want him to shut up about? Would you prefer a lower minimum wage? Maybe withdraw the public option?..a platform policy that may never have happened without Bernies fight for single payer. Anything else?

In fact it wasn't just a "small percentage of folks". The last polling done of Democrats before Hillary clinched the delegate vote was 46% for Bernie and his platform. If you think ignoring that large a segment of Democrats is a wise thing to do then I'd say you in fact are part of a small percentage of folks. Because I also think most Hillary supporters also agree on these progressive issues as well.

And please stop with the "patting himself on the back" nonsense. He has never campaigned like that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. She got almost double the votes from Dems- 65/35%
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jul 2016

And 810 of that 35 % is now with her- small percentage. I just think Sanders would do better if he stopped talking about his own campaign to his own holdouts. Too many hate Dems, it's time to get past that and work to convince undecideds and you don't do that by addressing only your supporters.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
48. That wasn't my point
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

6.8% of democratic voters could equal a 2% share which could be significant in swing states.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
45. Bernie was tied or even ahead in Democratic primary polls near the end of the campaign
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-is-almost-tied-nationally_b_9700610

And of course ahead by more with the general population

Your stats of her overall numbers of delegates over a year does not reflect the mood of the Democratic party members at the end of the campaign once enough had heard Bernie.

Dancing on his grave does nothing. For one, he's not dead. And for another, you are laughing in the faces of at around half of all Democratic voters and the concerns that they feel strongly about.

And working to convince "undecideds"? Those could also be called 'independents', who were overwhelmingly in Bernie's camp. So how exactly is insulting and ignoring Sanders and that large a chunk of the voting public that support these "holdouts" going to help Hillary win?
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
46. Most undecides could not be bothered to vote in the primary so please don't even think any candidate
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016

Had them. That you need to rewrite the story to tell yourself it wasn't a big win is pointless.
I'm just saying many many people haven't been thinking about it yet and that's who Sanders should be courting. Every One else either understands the difference between Dems and GOP or has been convinced by ratfuckers that we are all the same. Those people are a waste of time. They may tweet and Redddit all day long but they are telling us already never Hillary. I choose to respect that and move on. Bernie should too.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
47. Who is rewriting the story?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jul 2016

Go ahead and describe Hillary's victory as a "big win". But the facts are that she had just over 50%, at best, of Democratic voters at the end of the campaign, with the other half favouring Bernies more progressive platform. Because she gathered the majority of delegates early on and won by a good lead in delegates had nothing to do with the actual split in support between her and Sanders at the end of the campaign. And surely you can see that present day numbers are more important than a year ago when a lot of Democrats either didn't know much about Bernie, or assumed he was going to be an also-ran.

Independents, or "undecides", by a large margin supported Bernie. Do I have to post another link for you? It had been established in poll after poll. Some are idiots of course and will now vote for Trump. But there are also many that were enllightened by Bernie's message and can be persuaded to vote Democrat if they see Hillary making the attempt to listen to Bernie's concerns. To stereotype and dismiss all those "undecides" as a lost cause and a 'waste of time' is not a winning strategy.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
50. It's not like the undecideds are to Bernie's right
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jul 2016

The voters Bernie has influence with are people on the left.

Those are the people he is trying to persuade.

It would be pointless for him to try to appeal to Republican voters.

And frankly, it sounds like it is way too important to you to get Bernie to declare his campaign a failure.

He isn't going to be the nominee, but it was worth having him run, and no bad came of him running.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. I think his campaign was a success but he needs to stop chasing the hold outs. No more no less.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jul 2016

Just seems like a waste of time to me.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
31. Finding fault with Bernie has become such a compulsive habit,
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jul 2016

I realize how hard it is now for you to stop....

but maybe you need to read the new TOS again.

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
37. I believe the new TOS allows for constructive criticism.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jul 2016

This reads like constructive criticism, to me. The poster is criticizing his approach, not him as a person.

Your hypersensitivity to any criticism at ALL is unseemly. Sanders IS capable of making blunders, you know.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
36. I think you're underestimating the need for Bernie to maintain a positive attitude of his...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jul 2016

...primary supporters who are now willing to vote for HRC.

It's really a good thing if you want HRC elected.

It's not just the Bernie or Bust types who need to hear this type of message now and often until the GE.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
40. One day at a time. By now, doesn't everyone realize Bernie knows what he is doing?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

Watch and learn. We are about to overthrow the Republican congress.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. We've been working to get more voters on the rolls and support for down ticket races aready
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

If congress gets overthrown it's down to the amazing GOTV and fund raising that's been going on for nine months. Learn what?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
49. Bernie isn't patting himself on the back...he's making the case that his campaign was worth it
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

And that the millions of people who supported Bernie made a difference in what the party stands for.

That is the best thing he can do.

The only votes we can switch to HRC are either undecided voters(a trivially small number this year)or that sector of Bernie's supporters who are still not reconciled to HRC(but who could be with a positive message). No one backing Trump now can be made to change their minds between now and November, and no significant number of "moderate Republicans&quot a group that actually doesn't exist in real life)will ever actually break from supporting their own party's ticket. Republicans don't defect on priciple.

He will be hammering home the differences that now exist since his primary language was adopted in many areas.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
2. The devil is in the details: Hillary Clinton released a debt free college plan that we developed
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jul 2016

together which now includes free tuition at public colleges and universities for working families.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
3. Bernie is fine with those details, and urges his supporters to work for Hillary
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jul 2016

and Dems downticket, too, in order to achieve any progressive reforms.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
4. Yes because all of this is pie in the sky that no one person can pull off without
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jul 2016

A congress and or house to support this. As we have been told....

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
7. True. None of this will happen without support from Hillary and Dems
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jul 2016

and any other progressives in Congress.

sheshe2

(83,850 posts)
5. Who is we?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

How did you develop it? The devil is in the details, would love to hear how this went down. Were you in on the negotiation's and all the planning that went into it? What was Hillary's input into these negotiations? TIA!

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
6. I quoted a part of the original piece. Which is several pages long, so I don't blame you for not
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jul 2016

having read it..most people don't.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
9. I read his whole statement and don't see anything saying "the devil is in the details.'"
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jul 2016

Where did you get that?

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
10. That part I wrote in my post...after that is the quote, but why are you asking the obvious?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jul 2016

are you looking to get into an argument with me? if so..just move along...Most understand that this is a stark departure from the initially offered plan. And that it does not offer the ones in our society that need it the most, those with parents who are unemployed.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
13. When you are asking ME the obvious, something I pointed out in my response yes....because
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016

it very much comes across that you feel the need to "win" another argument. I just pointed something out in the main article that most people might have not seen.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
14. You are wrong to think that the tuition plan won't help people with unemployed parents.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

The students who won't benefit are the ones from families with high incomes -- not those with moderate, low, and no incomes.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
15. Ok thank you for pointing that out, clearly I can only create an opinion based upon the information
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:49 PM
Jul 2016

that is out there. Unlike other people I don't have the insider details of plans like this. If we were to assume you were right, why wouldn't this be public knowledge or worded in a way that would reflect that? Nevermind, don't answer that...

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
16. It has been clearly stated that the benefits will apply to anyone with family
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

incomes under $85K, and eventually rising to $125K.

Zero income is clearly under $85K. I don't know why anyone would find that hard to understand.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
17. I did a search through the article, just in case I missed it...In the article you are referencing
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

there is no mention of anything like that. This is what the article says:

Hillary Clinton released a debt free college plan that we developed together which now includes free tuition at public colleges and universities for working families. This was a major part of our campaign's agenda and a proposal that, if enacted into law, would revolutionize higher education in this country.


So you either are quoting another article, or I have gone completely blind.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
18. Is there some reason you limited yourself to just the one article,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jul 2016

instead of looking at the numerous other articles that were more specific about the education plan?

Instead, you jumped to the worst possible (and incorrect) conclusion -- that the students in the most disadvantaged families would be left out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-most-progressive-democratic-platform-ever/2016/07/12/82525ab0-479b-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html

Sanders’s most notable impact has been in driving elements of an expanded economic bill of rights into the platform. On education, Democrats committed to tuition-free education at in-state public colleges and universities for all those making under $125,000 a year. Sanders praised the Clinton shift as a “very bold initiative,” even if it didn’t embrace his call for making college free for all.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
19. I am limiting myself to the article you have posted in your post, and referencing what is in that.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

So you win again..thank you for pointing the other article out. I did not see that one.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
20. Right, because you'd rather immediately dump on the platform than look for an article
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jul 2016

that explains the specifics of the education proposal.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
21. No I read the article you post and make a conclusion, based upon what is written in the article.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jul 2016

silly me.....You win!

klook

(12,164 posts)
24. Nicely done.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jul 2016

This message to his supporters sets just the right tone and exhorts them to work together with other Democrats to elect HRC.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

benny05

(5,322 posts)
27. This was posted at Medium yesterday and reposted at CNBC today
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jul 2016

But I guess if you aren't an original Bernie supporter, this may be the first time some of you are seeing it. Just sayin, it's not new.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
29. Sanders should broaden his appeal to Trump's working class voters
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jul 2016

and that would make a real difference.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
32. I'm glad he is reiterating his endorsement and support for Hillary and downticket Dems!
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jul 2016

Nicely done Senator!

Hekate

(90,769 posts)
33. I look forward to full-throated support from Bernie, 'cause nobody does full-throated like him!
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 03:17 AM
Jul 2016

Thank you, Bernie! Go for it! GOTV!

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