2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumToday's new message from Bernie: Why I endorsed Hillary Clinton
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/13/bernie-sanders-why-i-endorsed-hillary-clinton-commentary.htmlAll of these progressive policies were at the heart of our campaign. The truth is our movement is responsible for the most progressive Democratic platform in the history of our country. All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months.
But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward. We must elect the Democratic nominee in November and progressive Democrats up and down the ballot so that we ensure that these policy commitments can advance.
It is extremely important that we keep our movement together, that we hold public officials accountable and that we elect progressive candidates to office at the federal, state, and local level who will stand with us.
Forever committed, forever fighting, forever forward,
Bernie Sanders
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Everyone reasonable who supported him is already #withHER. The remaining small percentage of folks who will never vote for "the establishment" he sought so hard to demonize are not worth going after. Sanders should be hammering home the huge differences between the parties, instead of patting himself on the back. It's unseemly.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)And you insulting Bernie is going to ensure those who don't want to support Hillary will Not support Hillary. Her supporters' behavior is frequently mentioned as reasons why some Bernie or bust Democrats wont reunite with the party.
Keep hammering away at Bernie and you will see even more Democrats drifting away.
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)If they can't be bothered to a) separate the candidate from her supporters and b) understand the difference between Trump and Clinton, they were never going to vote for Clinton anyway.
It's just a convenient excuse. Luckily, they're a very small minority.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Engaging more likely voters. Your inaccurate interpretation of my post and subsequent hot headed response is indicative of the sort of entrenched anger I don't think sanders can do a damned thing about. He opened a can of worms and fifteen percent bolted and it's time to move on. Total waste of time to try and woo the perpetually angry ones. Bad strategy to keep making it about his campaign- because it is not. Could get embarrassing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They can reject her for shits and giggles. This includes the farters, the green shirter planning to walk out or turn their backs and the ones who'll make fools of themselves calling her bi*ch and worse. Waste of time.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... just that you won't be baited into playing that game, or flattering their vanities.
I'm optimistic that they'll eventually come around and rally behind our party's nominee.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)Democratic voters I would presume. And I'd also presume you are referring to yourself.
So what exactly do those of you that still insist that he stop trying to push his platform want him to shut up about? Would you prefer a lower minimum wage? Maybe withdraw the public option?..a platform policy that may never have happened without Bernies fight for single payer. Anything else?
In fact it wasn't just a "small percentage of folks". The last polling done of Democrats before Hillary clinched the delegate vote was 46% for Bernie and his platform. If you think ignoring that large a segment of Democrats is a wise thing to do then I'd say you in fact are part of a small percentage of folks. Because I also think most Hillary supporters also agree on these progressive issues as well.
And please stop with the "patting himself on the back" nonsense. He has never campaigned like that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And 810 of that 35 % is now with her- small percentage. I just think Sanders would do better if he stopped talking about his own campaign to his own holdouts. Too many hate Dems, it's time to get past that and work to convince undecideds and you don't do that by addressing only your supporters.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)A small percentage, but could be significant in the swing states.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)6.8% of democratic voters could equal a 2% share which could be significant in swing states.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)And of course ahead by more with the general population
Your stats of her overall numbers of delegates over a year does not reflect the mood of the Democratic party members at the end of the campaign once enough had heard Bernie.
Dancing on his grave does nothing. For one, he's not dead. And for another, you are laughing in the faces of at around half of all Democratic voters and the concerns that they feel strongly about.
And working to convince "undecideds"? Those could also be called 'independents', who were overwhelmingly in Bernie's camp. So how exactly is insulting and ignoring Sanders and that large a chunk of the voting public that support these "holdouts" going to help Hillary win?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Had them. That you need to rewrite the story to tell yourself it wasn't a big win is pointless.
I'm just saying many many people haven't been thinking about it yet and that's who Sanders should be courting. Every One else either understands the difference between Dems and GOP or has been convinced by ratfuckers that we are all the same. Those people are a waste of time. They may tweet and Redddit all day long but they are telling us already never Hillary. I choose to respect that and move on. Bernie should too.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)Go ahead and describe Hillary's victory as a "big win". But the facts are that she had just over 50%, at best, of Democratic voters at the end of the campaign, with the other half favouring Bernies more progressive platform. Because she gathered the majority of delegates early on and won by a good lead in delegates had nothing to do with the actual split in support between her and Sanders at the end of the campaign. And surely you can see that present day numbers are more important than a year ago when a lot of Democrats either didn't know much about Bernie, or assumed he was going to be an also-ran.
Independents, or "undecides", by a large margin supported Bernie. Do I have to post another link for you? It had been established in poll after poll. Some are idiots of course and will now vote for Trump. But there are also many that were enllightened by Bernie's message and can be persuaded to vote Democrat if they see Hillary making the attempt to listen to Bernie's concerns. To stereotype and dismiss all those "undecides" as a lost cause and a 'waste of time' is not a winning strategy.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The voters Bernie has influence with are people on the left.
Those are the people he is trying to persuade.
It would be pointless for him to try to appeal to Republican voters.
And frankly, it sounds like it is way too important to you to get Bernie to declare his campaign a failure.
He isn't going to be the nominee, but it was worth having him run, and no bad came of him running.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Just seems like a waste of time to me.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)I realize how hard it is now for you to stop....
but maybe you need to read the new TOS again.
Lyric
(12,675 posts)This reads like constructive criticism, to me. The poster is criticizing his approach, not him as a person.
Your hypersensitivity to any criticism at ALL is unseemly. Sanders IS capable of making blunders, you know.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)...primary supporters who are now willing to vote for HRC.
It's really a good thing if you want HRC elected.
It's not just the Bernie or Bust types who need to hear this type of message now and often until the GE.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Watch and learn. We are about to overthrow the Republican congress.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)If congress gets overthrown it's down to the amazing GOTV and fund raising that's been going on for nine months. Learn what?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And that the millions of people who supported Bernie made a difference in what the party stands for.
That is the best thing he can do.
The only votes we can switch to HRC are either undecided voters(a trivially small number this year)or that sector of Bernie's supporters who are still not reconciled to HRC(but who could be with a positive message). No one backing Trump now can be made to change their minds between now and November, and no significant number of "moderate Republicans" a group that actually doesn't exist in real life)will ever actually break from supporting their own party's ticket. Republicans don't defect on priciple.
He will be hammering home the differences that now exist since his primary language was adopted in many areas.
insta8er
(960 posts)together which now includes free tuition at public colleges and universities for working families.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)and Dems downticket, too, in order to achieve any progressive reforms.
insta8er
(960 posts)A congress and or house to support this. As we have been told....
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)and any other progressives in Congress.
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)How did you develop it? The devil is in the details, would love to hear how this went down. Were you in on the negotiation's and all the planning that went into it? What was Hillary's input into these negotiations? TIA!
insta8er
(960 posts)having read it..most people don't.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Where did you get that?
insta8er
(960 posts)are you looking to get into an argument with me? if so..just move along...Most understand that this is a stark departure from the initially offered plan. And that it does not offer the ones in our society that need it the most, those with parents who are unemployed.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)it very much comes across that you feel the need to "win" another argument. I just pointed something out in the main article that most people might have not seen.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)The students who won't benefit are the ones from families with high incomes -- not those with moderate, low, and no incomes.
insta8er
(960 posts)that is out there. Unlike other people I don't have the insider details of plans like this. If we were to assume you were right, why wouldn't this be public knowledge or worded in a way that would reflect that? Nevermind, don't answer that...
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)incomes under $85K, and eventually rising to $125K.
Zero income is clearly under $85K. I don't know why anyone would find that hard to understand.
insta8er
(960 posts)there is no mention of anything like that. This is what the article says:
Hillary Clinton released a debt free college plan that we developed together which now includes free tuition at public colleges and universities for working families. This was a major part of our campaign's agenda and a proposal that, if enacted into law, would revolutionize higher education in this country.
So you either are quoting another article, or I have gone completely blind.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)instead of looking at the numerous other articles that were more specific about the education plan?
Instead, you jumped to the worst possible (and incorrect) conclusion -- that the students in the most disadvantaged families would be left out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-most-progressive-democratic-platform-ever/2016/07/12/82525ab0-479b-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html
Sanderss most notable impact has been in driving elements of an expanded economic bill of rights into the platform. On education, Democrats committed to tuition-free education at in-state public colleges and universities for all those making under $125,000 a year. Sanders praised the Clinton shift as a very bold initiative, even if it didnt embrace his call for making college free for all.
insta8er
(960 posts)So you win again..thank you for pointing the other article out. I did not see that one.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)that explains the specifics of the education proposal.
insta8er
(960 posts)silly me.....You win!
klook
(12,164 posts)This message to his supporters sets just the right tone and exhorts them to work together with other Democrats to elect HRC.
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benny05
(5,322 posts)But I guess if you aren't an original Bernie supporter, this may be the first time some of you are seeing it. Just sayin, it's not new.
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The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and that would make a real difference.
benny05
(5,322 posts)Good grief, the convention hasn't happened yet.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)if people choose to make it.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Nicely done Senator!
Hekate
(90,769 posts)Thank you, Bernie! Go for it! GOTV!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)some of his supporters ... not so much.