2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Meets with Warren; Announces 'End ' to Citizens United at Netroots Nation!
In poker, we call this a 'tell'?https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/3c83e5ab-c7b5-3eba-bd8c-290df4447895/ss_hillary-clinton-meets-with.html?nhp=1
The very next day:
"I will also appoint Supreme Court justices who understand that this decision was a disaster for our democracy," Clinton will say in a video message, scheduled to run near the end of today's final keynote session. "I will fight for other progressive reforms, including small-dollar matching and disclosure requirements. I hope some of the brilliant minds in this room will seek out cases to challenge Citizens United in the courts."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/16/clinton-will-push-constitutional-amendment-to-overturn-citizens-united/
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I honestly don't see it getting a 2/3 majority vote in either house of Congress much less both.
None of our amendments have ever been proposed by Constitutional Convention and I doubt very much if this one would be the first. Not with the deep divisions in our political structure.
Appointing Supreme Court justices is a meaningful statement, but the rest of that seems to just be blowing smoke.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I recall a certain independent senator 'tilting at windmills.'
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/constitutional-amendment-sponsors-renew-push-to-undo-citizens-united
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)difficulty in passing a Constitutional amendment in this country especially one which the GOP will fight tooth and nail to oppose because it would end up hurting them especially hard.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)and did quite well.
There is a new paradigm. Candidates at all levels want to stop asking for money all the time!
They're on recess from Congress for 7 weeks - it will be nothing but begging and asking for more!
"Hopelessly cynical" comes from the notion, "It can't be done and someone's only blowing smoke up our ..."
frazzled
(18,402 posts)a constitutional amendment may be the only route Congress can take to fully overturn it, or even make it possible for SCOTUS to overturn it.
Besides, there's been plenty of smoke blowing this primary season, with wishful-thinking, unicorn proposals that Congress will never pass. I didn't see anyone complaining about that.
jacksonian
(736 posts)But Citizen's United also allows foreign countries access to the system with investment-driven policy influences over private business. Framed like this, well, who knows.
Naming justices to overturn it is more doable, but can also be undone by a different court.
lastlib
(23,248 posts)"Do you support a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United?" If they say yes, work our asses off for them. If they say no, work our asses off against them. If they equivocate, f*ck 'em.
This issue must be a litmus test for our support, just as reproductive rights, minimum wage, etc.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and I have been told by several Bernie supporters that aspiring to it, as Kennedy did the space program is the only way it will happen, and believed that there was enough support to get the vote and more.... if we would only let Bernie try, it would happen, and was a moral imperative, that it was the only way to get poor people covered, so it was truly a moral litmus test for a candidate.
A constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United costs nothing, and is fully accomplished by a vote - and single payer requires not just a vote, but funding and a massive implementation involving our health care infrastructure and payroll tax system.
For the record, I don't think it a vote to overturn Citizens United will happen. But promising to call for a vote is way more meaningful and realistic than promising to try to repave the entire health care system, even over two terms, when we could not even get a public option on the ACA with a Dem House, Senate and White House.
Admit it.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The only way to kill it is by nominating solid liberals/progressives to the Supreme Court
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Im glad shes reiterating this, but it is a long held position.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)is meeting with Elizabeth Warren again and then - like a hardcore progressive boss! - following up with a pledge to push for an amendment to the Constitution in her first 30 days in office - a pledge she is committing to at Netroots Nation - arguably one of the most skeptical activist organizations she could propose this policy too!
And she was going to "move to the right in the general election."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that much more capable. I have really learned to admire Clinton.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Sanders and O'Malley both went.
But who went 'all in'?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/10-things-know-netroots-nation-2015
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)about Warren?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Her and Obama have done the studying, they are in the know.... and they have always understood the process to get this done. It is when they can do it, I have all the confidence they will. This is where I see so much of Clinton administration is strong and all she is going to give this nation, making us just that much more strong in our ability to keep ownership for all.
Excellent.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Clinton has always been strong consistently and constantly, step by step, addressing the issue of Citizens. What does that have to do with Warren per se. So is Warren, but so is all Democrats. It is a Democratic issue.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Pure coincidence!
We know how haphazard the Clinton campaign is!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what are you saying? I do not get it. I would be thrilled and excited and a blast it would be to have Warren. I am so good with that. Is that what you are suggesting? I do not like to try figuring out what another is saying. That is guessing.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Hillary will be picking Elizabeth Warren for Vice-President!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in two very different ways. Obama and Biden are too.
It is a winning ticket, I believe.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)She is moving along at a great pace.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Everything we saw and said she would be!
There with you, she!
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Love ya yallerdawg!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)another. Wife, employee. We saw a little of the independent Senator, but it will be really awesome watching the decision making Clinton. I think she is much more progressive than she has been allowed after looking at all of her years on this earth. Lol. I mean, the caricature has always been incorrect. That is what we are going ot see differently.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Thanks for bring that out, sea. You are so right, this is going to be incredibly exciting.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)Full quote:
As The Huffington Posts Paul Blumenthal noted in September, campaign finance reform is notoriously difficult to pass, since politicians are loath to support anything that makes it more difficult for them to win elections. An amendment must be approved by a two-thirds majority in both the House and Senate and then ratified by three-quarters of the states.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-citizens-united_us_578a42cfe4b08608d334c7bd
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)on campaign finance reform and against the rigged political system.
By November 8th, who knows how many more down ticket candidates will be running against Citizen United?
Longshot? Yes.
Slightly more proactive than waiting for Supreme Court justices to die, retire and wade through Senate 'advice and consent.'
ancianita
(36,092 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)you may be right.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You be the judge:
https://twitter.com/elizabethforma
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Citizens United decision is destroying the United States!