2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie's conference call after the endorsement. Here's why he's a bad VP pick and not a great asset.
This is long, and Bernie doesn't get to this point until about 15 minutes in (you can skip), but he then starts encouraging his delegates to attend the convention and take his issues to the floor. He's entirely into his own agenda I believe. I was giving him the benefit after hearing the endorsement, and to be fair he does say they must keep Trump from winning but I'm not at all happy about his convention plans.
https://soundcloud.com/lena_the_dj/bernie-7-12-16-delegate-conf-call-after-hrc-endorsement
whistler162
(11,155 posts)the Primary is over and that wall you keep bashing your head into is made of bricks.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)And the convention is NOT over. He has an opportunity to either support or diminish. I'm really curious about which road he'll take.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And his plans for the convention.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So it's an entirely different animal.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Having doubts that she is indeed the nominee. She got a late start because of the much delayed concession.
The more voters hear and learn about Hillary the more they will like her.
The more voters hear Trump, the more they will be disgusted.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)More Democrats voted for Clinton...that is what happened. And I see no point in putting Sanders on the ballot. We need a young person to balance Clinton's age and someone who can attack Trump...Elizabeth is better at that.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)And DWS could not have stopped him if he had the votes.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)conceded...what's the difference?
Anyway, he'd be a lose cannon as VP. And if he is envouraging his delegates like this, he should be removed from the convention speaking list.
He lost. he LOST. He lost BIG. Enough already!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Bernie Sanders, on National television July 13th.
Right now, what my job is to do to make sure that Hillary Clinton is elected president, that we defeat Trump and come up with a set of principles and an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families."
randome
(34,845 posts)Sounds like he has multiple agendas, not just one 'job'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
Armstead
(47,803 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)He sounded like the leading priest from the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch: "My one job is...no, my three jobs are..."
Jane Sanders, placing her hand over the mouthpiece of the phone: "What topping do you want on yours, hon?"
Bernie: "We must end the oligarchical control of this country. And put voting rights at the forefront..."
Jane: "Hold on a sec."
Bernie: "...of this vastly unequal economy. Extra pepperoni on mine!"
Jane: "Did you get that? Cool."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]
awake
(3,226 posts)Hillary will pick whom ever she wants and trashing Bernie on this site will only piss off some Bernie supporters who Hillary will need in the fall.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)name here and there, but in essence it was all about Sanders and his same old speech.
I never listened. I had read enough from enough to see that regardless he went far enough not to be snubbing Clinton or hurting Clinton and that was about it.
My son confirmed in his ability to analyze without prejudice, he is not invested, the conclusion I had drawn. I was not surprised with his observation.
But, I did not hear Sanders speech, to be fair.
Then to be hit this morning with a couple threads on Sanders must be VP or the world ends.
I was wondering about that.
Then reading Clinton has made her decision. Now, since Trump did not inform Christie and Newt, and we learned what a faux pas that is..... I suspect Clinton has let the other hopefuls know she made her decision. This is all interesting.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Instead of "Marsha!, Marsha!, Marsha!"
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I didn't agree with everything he said during the primary and I don't now.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Why should you? Why should power be transferred back into the hands of the people from the hands of the sociopathic uber rich? Well, the answer is quite obvious.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I did not support Bernie and that is that. He is a fine Senator.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Smells like democracy?
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)The convention is where the nominee is presented with pomp and ceremony. It is not democracy to help Trump and that is what a convention fight would do.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Horse trading votes in smokey back rooms, wheeling and dealing, in secret, surely isn't part of any truly democratic process.
How anyone justifies undemocratic processes - redefining secret back room selections as democratic - is beyond me.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)None of what you refer to happens at the convention.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)We can not afford a repeat with a (impossible to fathom) another Republican...gag Trump.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The point is, she endorsed him. And Sanders endorsed Hillary. The Primary is over, Hillary won. Time to move on, I think.
Sanders is not going to be on the ticket, I haven't even heard any "serious" speculation that he was in the running.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But it will most likely never happen. Zero chemistry
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"DAMN YOU, BERNIE SANDERSSSSSS!"
doesn't it get old?
nolabear
(41,986 posts)If something is going to occur at the convention I figured folks around here might be interested. Excuse me for thinking that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's funny.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)You spoke as if you were lumping me in with some endless Bernie posting and I was simply informing you that I have not been an endless Bernie poster. Look, if you aren't interested walk away but I've got the right to bring up something I found interesting. If you have something to actually contribute, have at.
mia
(8,361 posts)I'm listening to the recording now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But that logic works both ways, heavy sigh heavy sigh.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)for the Vice Presidential nomination. SO, why some of you have to rub it in is a little beyond me. It hurts the eventual ticket.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)I don't think it hurts Dems.
denbot
(9,900 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)or there will be no progressive agenda for a generation...seriously can you even remember past platforms? You do what you can based on who is in the house, the senate and on the courts.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders supports her. he said so clearly and unequivocally.
He is fighting to make sure that Democrats win AND also pushing to ensure a progressive agenda.
Nothing wrong or contradictory about that.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)And as much as I agree with the platform...it will not be accomplished in one or even two terms or by one president...we need the Congress, the Senate and the courts. I heard all about how terrible Obama was for not doing what he said he would ...and I look at the level of obstruction he faced and shake my head in disbelief...you want action then you need to encourage voting in state and mid-term elections. The idea that the president is all powerful and will make all our dreams come true is a fairy tale for the politically naive. We can make it happen but not by only voting for a president every four years or worrying about accountability before the nominee even wins. You will never have a president or any elected official that you agree with 100%.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)because all you were accomplish is weaken her...is that what you want?
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I support it 100%. A floor fight is not admirable and any who attempt such a thing need to be tossed out of the convention. There was a platform committee; they did their job...most progressive platform ever and that is now behind us...time to unite and beat Trump.
andym
(5,444 posts)Because he adds a perception of increased integrity. Bernie is known as a man of principle. Unfortunately, he is not under consideration. As for his desire to promote progressive candidates, of course he has his own agenda. That is for the good. Many of his most ardent the supporters do not understand Bernie very well, judging from Reddit. he wants to build a progressive wing of the Democratic Party.