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nolabear

(41,986 posts)
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:47 PM Jul 2016

Bernie's conference call after the endorsement. Here's why he's a bad VP pick and not a great asset.

This is long, and Bernie doesn't get to this point until about 15 minutes in (you can skip), but he then starts encouraging his delegates to attend the convention and take his issues to the floor. He's entirely into his own agenda I believe. I was giving him the benefit after hearing the endorsement, and to be fair he does say they must keep Trump from winning but I'm not at all happy about his convention plans.

https://soundcloud.com/lena_the_dj/bernie-7-12-16-delegate-conf-call-after-hrc-endorsement

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Bernie's conference call after the endorsement. Here's why he's a bad VP pick and not a great asset. (Original Post) nolabear Jul 2016 OP
Here is a hint! whistler162 Jul 2016 #1
Maybe. But there are a bunch of pro-Bernie VP pick threads. I just thought it interesting. nolabear Jul 2016 #2
Yes, sanders lost the primary and now we are discussing if he's a good pick for VP..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #3
The DNC won't be able to repress Trump, as they did to Sanders AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #7
I think the swing state polls look good! Coming off the email bullshit and the last days of anyone bettyellen Jul 2016 #14
No one repressed Sanders Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #26
DWS AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #37
Obama managed to win. Bernie simply did not win Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #44
"Repressed" Sanders? BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #36
Yeah, I know. I've heard several of his supporters say that he "endorsed" her, but he didn't lunamagica Jul 2016 #4
“Right now, what my job is to do to make sure that Hillary Clinton is elected president" Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #5
"...my job is..." Then proceeds to list several jobs in a row. randome Jul 2016 #24
He does have multiple agendas....And he should Armstead Jul 2016 #30
I get that. It's just that he no longer hears himself, I think. randome Jul 2016 #34
Trashing Bernie will not be of any help to Hillary awake Jul 2016 #6
Is there a reason for your misspelling of Hillary's name ~ twice? Her Sister Jul 2016 #11
Sorry my bad awake Jul 2016 #12
My son listened to Sanders endorsement. He said... It was all about Sanders. He threw in Clinton's seabeyond Jul 2016 #8
You should embrace him and his message AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #9
Why should I? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #27
Who said everything? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #33
Bernie is one guy...the Democrats have been talking about inequality for years now. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #43
Its f#cking boring. Smokey back room party insiders wheeling and dealing w/no public interaction. Mika Jul 2016 #10
The primary was the public interaction Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #28
Maybe you should look up democracy in a dictionary. Mika Jul 2016 #32
What the hell are you talking about? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #38
Maybe we should study the disaster that was the Bush II presidency. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #39
I don't remember Hillary's endorsement speech of Obama in 2008, either. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #18
I don't like to talk in absolutes but it's hard for me to see how Clinton/Sanders could lose NWCorona Jul 2016 #13
He's not going to be on the ticket, we know this. Maybe stop fighting the primary. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #15
I actually haven't posted about Bernie. I just thought this worth noting. nolabear Jul 2016 #16
So this thread isn't about "Bernie"? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #17
*sigh* yes, this is about Bernie. C'mon. nolabear Jul 2016 #19
Thank you for posting this. mia Jul 2016 #20
I can't tell you what to post or not to post. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #21
Everybody knows Bernie isn't under any serious consideration John Poet Jul 2016 #22
His agenda is my agenda too. redwitch Jul 2016 #23
Yeah, God forbid we have a progressive agenda.. denbot Jul 2016 #25
the most important thing is to beat Trump Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #29
If Clinton is not accountable there will be no progressive agenda eitehr Armstead Jul 2016 #31
Lets get her elected before we worry about accountability. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #41
Accountability comes after she is elected Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #42
A progressive agenda is admirable. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #40
Bernie would be a great vp pick andym Jul 2016 #35
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
1. Here is a hint!
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jul 2016

the Primary is over and that wall you keep bashing your head into is made of bricks.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
2. Maybe. But there are a bunch of pro-Bernie VP pick threads. I just thought it interesting.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

And the convention is NOT over. He has an opportunity to either support or diminish. I'm really curious about which road he'll take.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. Yes, sanders lost the primary and now we are discussing if he's a good pick for VP.....
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

And his plans for the convention.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. The DNC won't be able to repress Trump, as they did to Sanders
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

So it's an entirely different animal.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. I think the swing state polls look good! Coming off the email bullshit and the last days of anyone
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jul 2016

Having doubts that she is indeed the nominee. She got a late start because of the much delayed concession.
The more voters hear and learn about Hillary the more they will like her.
The more voters hear Trump, the more they will be disgusted.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
26. No one repressed Sanders
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jul 2016

More Democrats voted for Clinton...that is what happened. And I see no point in putting Sanders on the ballot. We need a young person to balance Clinton's age and someone who can attack Trump...Elizabeth is better at that.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
44. Obama managed to win. Bernie simply did not win
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jul 2016

And DWS could not have stopped him if he had the votes.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
4. Yeah, I know. I've heard several of his supporters say that he "endorsed" her, but he didn't
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

conceded...what's the difference?

Anyway, he'd be a lose cannon as VP. And if he is envouraging his delegates like this, he should be removed from the convention speaking list.

He lost. he LOST. He lost BIG. Enough already!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
5. “Right now, what my job is to do to make sure that Hillary Clinton is elected president"
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders, on National television July 13th.

“Right now, what my job is to do to make sure that Hillary Clinton is elected president, that we defeat Trump and come up with a set of principles and an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families."

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. "...my job is..." Then proceeds to list several jobs in a row.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:30 AM
Jul 2016

Sounds like he has multiple agendas, not just one 'job'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. I get that. It's just that he no longer hears himself, I think.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jul 2016

He sounded like the leading priest from the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition sketch: "My one job is...no, my three jobs are..."

Jane Sanders, placing her hand over the mouthpiece of the phone: "What topping do you want on yours, hon?"
Bernie: "We must end the oligarchical control of this country. And put voting rights at the forefront..."
Jane: "Hold on a sec."
Bernie: "...of this vastly unequal economy. Extra pepperoni on mine!"
Jane: "Did you get that? Cool."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

awake

(3,226 posts)
6. Trashing Bernie will not be of any help to Hillary
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary will pick whom ever she wants and trashing Bernie on this site will only piss off some Bernie supporters who Hillary will need in the fall.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. My son listened to Sanders endorsement. He said... It was all about Sanders. He threw in Clinton's
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

name here and there, but in essence it was all about Sanders and his same old speech.

I never listened. I had read enough from enough to see that regardless he went far enough not to be snubbing Clinton or hurting Clinton and that was about it.

My son confirmed in his ability to analyze without prejudice, he is not invested, the conclusion I had drawn. I was not surprised with his observation.

But, I did not hear Sanders speech, to be fair.

Then to be hit this morning with a couple threads on Sanders must be VP or the world ends.

I was wondering about that.

Then reading Clinton has made her decision. Now, since Trump did not inform Christie and Newt, and we learned what a faux pas that is..... I suspect Clinton has let the other hopefuls know she made her decision. This is all interesting.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
33. Who said everything?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jul 2016

Why should you? Why should power be transferred back into the hands of the people from the hands of the sociopathic uber rich? Well, the answer is quite obvious.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
43. Bernie is one guy...the Democrats have been talking about inequality for years now.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jul 2016

I did not support Bernie and that is that. He is a fine Senator.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
10. Its f#cking boring. Smokey back room party insiders wheeling and dealing w/no public interaction.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

Smells like democracy?

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
28. The primary was the public interaction
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jul 2016

The convention is where the nominee is presented with pomp and ceremony. It is not democracy to help Trump and that is what a convention fight would do.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
32. Maybe you should look up democracy in a dictionary.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jul 2016

Horse trading votes in smokey back rooms, wheeling and dealing, in secret, surely isn't part of any truly democratic process.
How anyone justifies undemocratic processes - redefining secret back room selections as democratic - is beyond me.





Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
39. Maybe we should study the disaster that was the Bush II presidency.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jul 2016

We can not afford a repeat with a (impossible to fathom) another Republican...gag Trump.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. I don't remember Hillary's endorsement speech of Obama in 2008, either.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

The point is, she endorsed him. And Sanders endorsed Hillary. The Primary is over, Hillary won. Time to move on, I think.

Sanders is not going to be on the ticket, I haven't even heard any "serious" speculation that he was in the running.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
13. I don't like to talk in absolutes but it's hard for me to see how Clinton/Sanders could lose
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jul 2016

But it will most likely never happen. Zero chemistry

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. He's not going to be on the ticket, we know this. Maybe stop fighting the primary.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jul 2016

"DAMN YOU, BERNIE SANDERSSSSSS!"

doesn't it get old?



nolabear

(41,986 posts)
16. I actually haven't posted about Bernie. I just thought this worth noting.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jul 2016

If something is going to occur at the convention I figured folks around here might be interested. Excuse me for thinking that.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
19. *sigh* yes, this is about Bernie. C'mon.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jul 2016

You spoke as if you were lumping me in with some endless Bernie posting and I was simply informing you that I have not been an endless Bernie poster. Look, if you aren't interested walk away but I've got the right to bring up something I found interesting. If you have something to actually contribute, have at.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
22. Everybody knows Bernie isn't under any serious consideration
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 05:08 AM
Jul 2016

for the Vice Presidential nomination. SO, why some of you have to rub it in is a little beyond me. It hurts the eventual ticket.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
29. the most important thing is to beat Trump
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jul 2016

or there will be no progressive agenda for a generation...seriously can you even remember past platforms? You do what you can based on who is in the house, the senate and on the courts.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
31. If Clinton is not accountable there will be no progressive agenda eitehr
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jul 2016

Sanders supports her. he said so clearly and unequivocally.

He is fighting to make sure that Democrats win AND also pushing to ensure a progressive agenda.

Nothing wrong or contradictory about that.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
41. Lets get her elected before we worry about accountability.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

And as much as I agree with the platform...it will not be accomplished in one or even two terms or by one president...we need the Congress, the Senate and the courts. I heard all about how terrible Obama was for not doing what he said he would ...and I look at the level of obstruction he faced and shake my head in disbelief...you want action then you need to encourage voting in state and mid-term elections. The idea that the president is all powerful and will make all our dreams come true is a fairy tale for the politically naive. We can make it happen but not by only voting for a president every four years or worrying about accountability before the nominee even wins. You will never have a president or any elected official that you agree with 100%.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
42. Accountability comes after she is elected
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jul 2016

because all you were accomplish is weaken her...is that what you want?

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
40. A progressive agenda is admirable.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jul 2016

I support it 100%. A floor fight is not admirable and any who attempt such a thing need to be tossed out of the convention. There was a platform committee; they did their job...most progressive platform ever and that is now behind us...time to unite and beat Trump.

andym

(5,444 posts)
35. Bernie would be a great vp pick
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

Because he adds a perception of increased integrity. Bernie is known as a man of principle. Unfortunately, he is not under consideration. As for his desire to promote progressive candidates, of course he has his own agenda. That is for the good. Many of his most ardent the supporters do not understand Bernie very well, judging from Reddit. he wants to build a progressive wing of the Democratic Party.

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