2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUnbelievable interview: 60 Minutes Trump/Pence with Leslie Stahl
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-trump-pence-republican-ticket/Here's an excerpt where Trump is at his incoherent best/worst:
Donald Trump: Well, as a president, I'm going to be-- you know, they've been an ally and I stay with our allies. They have been an ally. But that was a quick coup. I was actually surprised to see how well it was handled. And you know who really handled it? The people. So, I mean, we can say what we want, but the people handled it. When they surrounded the army tanks and without the people, you would've never had it. The military would've taken over.
Are you ready for one of the best examples of white male privilege you've ever seen? 'Cause here it is!
Donald Trump: Yeah, you went to Iraq, but that was handled so badly. And that was a war-- by the way, that was a war that we shouldn't have entered because Iraq did not knock down--excuse me
Lesley Stahl: Your running mate--
Donald Trump: Iraq did not--
Lesley Stahl: --voted for it.
Donald Trump: I don't care.
Lesley Stahl: What do you mean you don't care that he voted for?
Donald Trump: It's a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people.
Lesley Stahl: But you've harped on this.
Donald Trump: But I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning.
Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but you've used that vote of Hillary's that was the same as Governor Pence as the example of her bad judgment.
Donald Trump: Many people have, and frankly, I'm one of the few that was right on Iraq.
Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but what about he--
Donald Trump: He's entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.
Lesley Stahl: But she's not? OK, come on--
Donald Trump: But she's not--
Lesley Stahl: She's not?
Donald Trump: No. She's not.
Lesley Stahl: Got it.
You really should read the whole thing. He continually cuts Stahl off, avoids answering questions, and is incoherent when she presses him for an answer. It would be hilarious if it weren't so scary. I am STILL having moments where I can't believe the country has nominated this person to be the candidate for a major political party.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Period!
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)He is an overgrown child. Too bad he never matured, grew up, faced responsibility. His father's money protected him from the real world. I hope Maleria has the number for that dating sight for women looking for rich husbands. She is getting long in the tooth for him.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)I don't think it's just a matter of stupidity, as I said in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028018840
That 28 min. "rollout" harangue could be used by medical schools as a textbook illustration of this:
_____Narcissistic personality disorder_____
He's seriously deranged. In everyday life, his neuroses pose no major problem.
But, the mere idea of this precarious personality as the leader of the nation and the western world, is genuinely disguieting. What the hell are they thinking?
Thanks for posting this, auntpurl.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)it doesn't take "white privilege" to be incoherently hypocritical. (on edit, I want to make clear I totally agree with you about how unbelievable it is that Trump is the actual nominee. I sometimes think it's not real, also.)
Craig234
(335 posts)trump is unfair to Hillary, and excusing his running mate, so it's not his being irrational and ridiculous, it's "white privilege".
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)See my reply to the post you replied to for a fuller explanation.
To assume I haven't thought the topic through and come to an informed opinion, but rather glommed onto the nearest meme is insulting.
Craig234
(335 posts)To clarify my criticism, it's not that you haven't thought through the issue, or glommed on to a meme casually.
It's disagreeing with the meme you feel the issue fits.
By analogy, on another Democratic website, I can't recall a single criticism of Hillary that wasn't called "sexist". No matter what the issue is, it's sexist to make the criticism. The word "patriarchal" is thrown around like snow in a blizzard.
It's overuse of memes - the over use of issues that are legitimate issues - to a point.
In other words, it does appear to me that you have some predisposition to fit the issue into the meme of "white male privilege".
I think that to someone who doesn't, this was pretty CLEARLY a case where the obvious double standard was because of simple partisanship - that trump gives pence a pass because *it's his running mate*, and doesn't give Hillary one because she's the opponent. I think it's quite clear that if trump were running against a male, and had appointed a woman running mate, he'd say exactly the same thing, because it's based on dishonestly supporting his own person while attacking the opponent.
And he is SUCH an idiot and incompetent at these sorts of things that he can't do it any better than to be so obviously unfair in his double standard as to make a lot of viewers laugh in amazement at his buffoonery.
But in my opinion I see nothing to do with "white male privilege" in the issue.
I'm saying I disagree with your categorizing it that way, and that I think it happens a lot, not that you did it without thinking through the issue and reaching an opinion I disagree with.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)which the excerpt, in my opinion, absolutely illustrates. A black man or a woman of any colour would not get the pass on the issue in Trump's mind. The concept of "this person can get away with this because he is a white guy so we all inherently trust his judgment/character, but this other person can't" is the essence of white male privilege.
Pointing out something which in my opinion (since it's my OP) illustrates white male privilege is not racial divisiveness.
LeftRant
(524 posts)None of the 4 people in question are black, not Trump, Pence, Clinton, or Stahl.
uponit7771
(90,353 posts)... retweets white supremacist sources and has literally bilked old people out of their money can run for president and get this much media attention?!!?
REALLY?!
....
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I'm not saying Trump's not a racist buffoon, I'm saying incoherent hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean "white male privilege." It's not like only privileged white males can by incoherently hypocritical. In fact, it's kind of bigoted for the OP to automatically start attributing Trump's negative qualities to his race. Why not "one-percenter privilege"? Yeah the more I think about it the more it's BS
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Dim Don isn't going to know what hit him when Hillary goes for the jugular!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)who is screaming abuse at her half the day. She needs to remain calm and presidential no matter what outrageous idiocy comes out of his mouth. I would not be the least bit surprised if he used a misogynist epithet live on stage. She needs to be cool, ice cool.
She's got a great team. I expect she will be fully prepared.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)as is his style. But after I watched Hillary during the Benghazi hearing, I knew she could take on anybody! The debates are going to be great entertainment, kind of like watching the lions eat people in Rome's Colosseum!
Craig234
(335 posts)I'm not a big fan of it when it comes to 'doing the right thing', but it is politically effective.
When I'd watch her with Bernie, I saw nothing of what I felt were substantive responses to his issues, but I saw her very good at parsing and maneuvering to win points. And that is a legitimate skill for a politician.
And I think it hurt Bernie's 'winning the debate' that he wasn't better at it.
So, for example, when he's make a clear point on a popular issue such as supporting a $15 wage rather than her $12, she would minimize the impact by creating a false equivalency - they both support an increase, the same position.
I think the debate format is often distorting. It takes someone who might not seem barely qualified - a Reagan against President Carter, a trump against Hillary Clinton - and make them seem more equal and presidential being on the same stage.
Also, debates have become so little about the intended debate and so much about the preppers giving the candidates memorized attack lines as to make them not that helpful on the issues as a discussion.
But I think Hillary is very effective in attacking trump and those skills which should help her just destroy him.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)And yet, he'll beat Hillary over the HEAD with this, saying it was exclusively HER, when the entire CONGRESS was misled by the Shrub.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I wish she'd asked, "Why not?" and pushed him until he admitted that the only difference in the situation is that Hillary is a woman.
Craig234
(335 posts)A majority of House Democrats voted "no" despite the political pressure of the election in two weeks.
But pence didn't. The hypocrisy of blaming Hillary and not him is obvious. Has pence even said it was a mistake?
AJH032
(1,124 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,209 posts)I noticed that Pence had a hard time getting a word in edgewise.
Craig234
(335 posts)Just embarrassing.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Pence is allowed a mistake but not Hillary.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)as if joking! Everything so weird. Argh! Trump such a grotesque person! Pence trying and trying to humanize him. Awful!