2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: Wikileaks releases DNC member and donor SSANs, CC numbers
Fucking ASSHOLES!Wikileaks are fucking criminals and they should all be arrested for this shit!
WikiLeaks firmly believes in radical transparency, the idea that the world would be better if there were no secrets. That level of transparency can be used for good, like the time the site published a video called Collateral Murder showing innocent journalists shot to oblivion by US troops in 2010. But not always.
The organization has also used that tradition of transparency for less just causes, like today when the site published 19,252 emails from top US Democratic National Committee members, many of which included personal information about innocent donors including credit card, social security numbers, and passport numbers.
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http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/22/1551099/-BREAKING-Wikileaks-releases-DNC-member-and-donor-SSANs-CC-numbers
http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Not a goddamn leak from BoA or the "Russian files" after months of saying they'd do it. They have the data. But Putin wants Trump, the shill, the idiot, to win. And Wikileaks is following his effective orders (mind you, they may be ideologically aligned, I'm not saying they're doing this with a gun to their heads, they were pro-Crimea invasion, after all).
FarPoint
(12,447 posts)Hurting innocent voters.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)FarPoint
(12,447 posts)Yeap, Putin is a thug dictator with false " election" syndrome.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)wiki follows no orders, get real
Hekate
(90,837 posts)...alone with free rein to shred the US Constitution and destroy the US. Watch what they (Wikileaks) are actually DOING, as opposed to what they SAY.
Get real.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Hmmmmm? Radical transparency my ass.
still_one
(92,422 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Anybody who thinks that wikileaks is anything other than a pro-Russian shill site, with this cheap attempt to take down Hillary right before the convention while Trump and co (I would love to see their emails regarding Bernie et al) are given a free pass, is smoking something seriously powerful.
I have zero respect for wikileaks for doing this the weekend before the convention while the repubs were allowed to peddle hate and fear freely. Disgusting and transparent.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)And then this happens. What a coincidence!
glennward
(989 posts)Long time Russian shill.
This the really big news about the Trump campaign. Not Melania's speech:
Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trumps campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Manafort was an adviser to the presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain, and is currently the national chairman of the presidential campaign of Donald Trump, as well as being a senior partner in the firm Davis, Manafort, and Freedman. Manafort is also known for his successful lobbying efforts on behalf of political leaders like Jonas Savimbi and Viktor Yanukovych and foreign dictators such as Ferdinand Marcos.[citation needed]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)hummmmmmmmmmm
riversedge
(70,313 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That said, I haven't seen anything surprising yet.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Apparently the compromised information is from expatriot donors because of some email exchanges to verify status. The DNC did not want to illegally accept any foreign donations.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I suppose that could explain why that kind of info was laying around.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)once he became a threat so no surprises there.
This is just politics by wiki as if it wasn't they would just dump the info as it's received instead of trying to play chess and being all strategic.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Wouldn't that have been more effective?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)IMO the time to stop Bernie was from jump but I don't think they viewed Bernie as a threat at that point.
While I don't have a problem with it. Bernie jumping on the Democratic bandwagon is a valid point of contention.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)breaking it would have looked bad, and might have had consequences under contract law.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)Is that because it wasn't your info that got exposed?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)That wasn't my point. I take personal security seriously.
This dump just seems political to me.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)seems completely political.
And why do they only ever manage to leak DNC things, not RNC things.
And why only US documents, not Russian?
Arazi
(6,829 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I think this shows that the DNC wasn't PCI compliant tho.
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)that the info was out there ready to be downloaded.
question everything
(47,538 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I am opposed to much of her treatment.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Why would the credit card, social security numbers, and passport numbers about "innocent" donors be in the email in the first place??
And while on that subject, what about guilty donors??
some guy
(3,448 posts)people attending dinners and such. This example is from a dinner with PBO, and secret Service apparently vets guests?
Ms. xxxxxxxx, Thank you for your contribution! We are looking forward to seeing you on June 8th. We will be sending further details including arrival instructions the week before the event, but please feel free to reach out with any questions. Due to the nature of this event, Secret Service requires that we collect the following security information from all of our guests: full name, date of birth, and social security number. Please send this to me at your earliest convenience. If you would prefer to give the information over the phone, my number is nnn nnn nnnn
This particular email doesn't show a SSN, but there are some where this generic event response was sent, and the recipient provided their SSN via mail reply.
For credit cards, I've only seen last four digit type info.
I chnged the name to xxxxx and the phone number.
Yes. I'm aware that Secret Service gets the Social of anyone who they plan on letting near the President.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)why in the world would anyone at the DNC transmit that sort of information over email?
have you ever sent your credit card number, bank account or social security number over email?
I doubt the veracity of this story as it provides no evidence, but if it's true, it says as much about DNC competence as it does about WikiLeaks.
BTW... you can search the emails here and a quick search for SSAN returns zero results.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?q=SSAN
some guy
(3,448 posts)Do any of those search results actually contain social security numbers? I checked a few and did not find any. Like I said, if DNC staff is transmitting this type of info over email, nobody should ever trust them with this sort of personal data.
First blue number is this person's SSN
https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/21044
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Did the DNC ask her to send that via email?
I think I'll search by email an subj and see what happens.
some guy
(3,448 posts)Due to the nature of this event, Secret Service requires that we collect the following security information from all of our guests: full name, date of birth, and social security number. Please send this to me at your earliest convenience. If you would prefer to give the information over the phone, my number is nnn nnn nnnn (I chnged the number.)
So, people could call their info, and I'd guess some did. Others didn't.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)ParrishD@dnc.org should be fired.
some guy
(3,448 posts)The SSN info requests seem to be related ONLY to events where the President will be attending.
I'm fine with the Secret Service being overzealous in protecting the President, even if I don't like whoever is holding the office at the time.
$10,000 a plate dinners would seem like a good target if one wanted to do harm. Take out a President and other high-dollar, presumably influential people at a stroke?
So, screening guests seems a good idea.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)They should caution against that. Have them send postal mail or call
some guy
(3,448 posts)It looks like somebody lost (or embezzeled, or . . .) $10K. I don't know how that story finishes, but it's kind of Ollie North Iran-Contra on a small scale. (Ollie lost a million transferring money in Swiss accounts. I'm sure that was convenient for someone.)
https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1187
Edit: spelling / typos
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)I guess they're getting a bit of traffic...
The person who sent their SSN via email isn't too smart regardless of whether the DNC asked them to
some guy
(3,448 posts)Now that they can more easily experience identity theft.
It's an insecure world now.
I saw a different email chain that at one point included a lot of IP adress info for someone. I don't know anything about hacking, but that sort of hing might also be useful. I don't remember where I saw it.
This sort of thing just inspires me to review my internet activity and vulnerabilities.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You can have fun here on Unreality Island, but 10,000 posters on Reddit aren't buying that line. This is a huge story, and it will do damage.
randome
(34,845 posts)Fuck Wikileaks.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)This thread will be allowed to stand while the ones pointing out the DNC's aggressiveness toward the Sanders campaign were closed.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Trump stresses closer ties with Putin, threatens to pull out of NATO, and now (on the day Hillary is supposed to announce her running mate) the info from a Russian hack of DNC servers makes it into the hands of Assange and Greenwald, two of the more unapologetic Kremlin apparatchiks who are both on the record as saying Trump is a better candidate...
And the Emoprogs still dutifully lap it up...
At least it's evident beyond all doubt who Greenbacks and Assange are working for -- I'm owed an apology from a couple hundred DUers for that much at least....
Wilms
(26,795 posts)We should do everything possible to continue our ramping into another cold war.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)maybe you should just let the grownups discuss this...
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Spare me, Tires.
runaway hero
(835 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)I want to see someone defend this, really. I do.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)From:MARSHALL@dnc.org
To: MirandaL@dnc.org, PaustenbachM@dnc.org, DaceyA@dnc.org
Date: 2016-05-05 03:31
Subject: No shit
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.
The email was sent to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda and Deputy Communications Director Mark Paustenbach. Its unclear who the someone in this message could be though a member of the press seems like a safe bet. A request for comment sent to Marshall was not immediately returned.
I found it interesting.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Looking for clarification.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)And they sure as shit shouldn't be talking about using religion against one of the candidates.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And from a strategic standpoint, religion plays a role. According to polling, atheist is on the bottom of the list for presidential candidates. If they were on the fence, that may be one way to make up their mind.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)would doom the democrats in the general election. Sorry but it is true.
still_one
(92,422 posts)"unofficial sources"
Hillary is the Democratic nominee. There was no conspiracy involved. She won because more Democrats voted for her.
Bernie Sanders has endorsed her. Deal with it.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)I find to be rather unbelievable. But it is what it is.
Personally heartbroken for what has happened here at DU.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)None of that sort of info should be in an email PERIOD
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)It shows that the DNC can see what a biased arse Mika is, and the hatred she has for Hillary....
From:MirandaL@dnc.org To: Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com Date: 2016-05-18 23:07 Subject: RE: Following up...
Not necessarily. If Mika just doesn't like her, I'm not sure it's worth either of their time. I've lowered her expectations, but don't know. If you think Mika is set in stone I'm happy to kill it. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone --------
Original message --------
From: "Todd, Chuck D (NBCUniversal)" <Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com> Date: 05/18/2016 20:51 (GMT-05:00) To: "Miranda, Luis" <MirandaL@dnc.org> Subject: Re: Following up... Between us, You think the call is a good idea? Chuck Todd NBC News @chucktodd
On May 18, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Miranda, Luis <MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org>> wrote:
Hey Chuck, per our conversation earlier today, Id appreciate it if you passed along the following to the Morning Joe team. I understand Joe and Mika will say whatever theyre going to say in terms of opinion, but at a minimum they should consider the facts on some of the key allegations theyre making. The DNC Chair has repeatedly said on the air and otherwise that its not her job to tell either candidate to get out and has never called for anyone to get out of the race. She has talked in very positive terms<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-april-26-primary-results> about both of our candidates<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-south-carolina-primary-results-feb-27> and the substantive campaigns theyve run<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-new-hampshire-primary-results>. As for the stuff that Joe and Mika tried to rehash this morning about debates, the fact is our debates earned far better ratings<https://medium.com/@MiraLuisDC/democratic-debate-ratings-rank-far-ahead-of-most-primary-debates-889d8ab42ca#.qepssg11f> overall this year than they did in past cycles. And as NBC knows all too well, when we were able to get both campaigns to agree, we added four. The rules in place for this election have been pretty much the same for several cycles. In fact, the major change from 2008 when Obama beat Clinton --- is that there are actually LESS unpledged super delegates, now down to 15% from 20% prior to the change. No one wrote or rewrote any rules to help or hurt any specific candidate, these are the Party rules. The single biggest factor determining the nominee (85%) is the participation of voters in primaries and caucuses. You can see a post we did here that lays out the facts on Super Delegates<https://medium.com/@patricetaylor/here-are-the-actual-facts-about-super-delegates-7660c5c7dd1#.288n079v7>. It also debunks the false myths about Iowa. The DNCs delegate selection rules for this primary were set before any of these candidates declared, and are consistent with the rules in place for several cycles including 2008 when Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton. Theres just no evidence that the process has been rigged. It certainly wasnt rigged in Nevada this weekend, which was not a DNC event but a state party one. But dont take it from us, heres what Jon Ralston wrote: http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/17/ralston-reports-dems-need-unity-but-theyre-getting-mutiny-nevada-democratic-convention-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/84521894/?mc_cid=6001cbd708&mc_eid=b3f6d44b0b And heres what Politifact said: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ <image002.png><http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/> Let me know if theres anything else I can provide. Thanks, -Luis.
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)Tuesday May 3, 2016
To: Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz From: Luis Miranda CC: Ryan Banfill; Kate Houghton; Tracie Pough Date: May 2, 2016 What: Off the Record Meeting with Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC When: Tuesday May 3, 2016; 10:00 AM Where: 30 Rockefeller Center Format: Off the Record Meeting in Phils Office Who: YOU, Phil Griffin Topic: Relationship Building / Town Hall
TOPLINE: This is an opportunity to say hello and touch base on the timing and setting for a voting rights town hall (agreed to during the NH debate negotiations); and to stress that we want to have greater collaboration with their team on having the Democratic Party represented on their shows.
MSNBC has largely moved to having their contributors and talent do most of the on-air commentary and we dont get many opportunities to have the Party represented. While Mika wont be there, you should point out that youre reaching out to re-engage with her. Our relationship with NBC/MSNBC is severely frayed given what they perceive as a snub with the last debate, and CNN getting favored treatment. Griffin may raise that concern, and ideally we could lower the temperature and seek common ground.
TALKING POINTS: · Conversational, no set talking points.
BACKGROUND: There had been stories suggesting that MSNBC was in turmoil last year, and they underwent a major shift on programming. There had been rumors that Griffin was going to be fired. However, internal sources suggest he is fine and not going anywhere and MSNBC has seen a significant improvement over last year in ratings.
BigDemVoter
(4,157 posts)F-U-C-K-E-D. . . Nothing nice to say. This is bullshit.
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)DWS Call with Mika B
From:BanfillR@dnc.org To: HoughtonK@dnc.org Date: 2016-05-18 21:13 Subject: DWS Call with Mika B
Luis is working to get Mika B (from Morning Joe) and DWS on the phone together to clear up some misperceptions of the DNC and DWS that she has expressed on the air. Is there time on the schedule tomorrow to make this happen? Thanks, Ryan
baldguy
(36,649 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)reason to be loyal to any target when it comes to exposing truths That is wikileaks only job- to vet and expose data. God knows who his source is. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Russia, most likely the sources are american. There has to be at least two sources for wiki to print, so figure it out folks.
Snowden is not legally innocent, but Wiki is
baldguy
(36,649 posts)They stole private data of private citizens - then released it.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)The DNC certainly didnt think about encrypting your personal data- and you are angry with Wiki???????
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)From:MirandaL@dnc.org To: hrtsleeve@gmail.com Date: 2016-05-19 15:16 Subject: RE: MSNBC story
Not as a personal dig, but asking her to at a minimum pick up the phone and reach out. That her facts are wrong, and happy to talk her through it. For example, what I sent them included: The DNC Chair has repeatedly said on the air and otherwise that its not her job to tell either candidate to get out and has never called for anyone to get out of the race.
She has talked in very positive terms<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-april-26-primary-results> about both of our candidates<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-south-carolina-primary-results-feb-27> and the substantive campaigns theyve run<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-new-hampshire-primary-results>.
As for the stuff that Joe and Mika tried to rehash this morning about debates, the fact is our debates earned far better ratings
<https://medium.com/@MiraLuisDC/democratic-debate-ratings-rank-far-ahead-of-most-primary-debates-889d8ab42ca#.qepssg11f> overall this year than they did in past cycles. And as NBC knows all too well, when we were able to get both campaigns to agree, we added four. The rules in place for this election have been pretty much the same for several cycles.
In fact, the major change from 2008 when Obama beat Clinton --- is that there are actually LESS unpledged super delegates, now down to 15% from 20% prior to the change. No one wrote or rewrote any rules to help or hurt any specific candidate, these are the Party rules. The single biggest factor determining the nominee (85%) is the participation of voters in primaries and caucuses. You can see a post we did here that lays out the facts on Super Delegates<https://medium.com/@patricetaylor/here-are-the-actual-facts-about-super-delegates-7660c5c7dd1#.288n079v7>.
It also debunks the false myths about Iowa. The DNCs delegate selection rules for this primary were set before any of these candidates declared, and are consistent with the rules in place for several cycles including 2008 when Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton. Theres just no evidence that the process has been rigged. It certainly wasnt rigged in Nevada this weekend, which was not a DNC event but a state party one.
But dont take it from us, heres what Jon Ralston wrote:
http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/17/ralston-reports-dems-need-unity-but-theyre-getting-mutiny-nevada-democratic-convention-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/84521894/?mc_cid=6001cbd708&mc_eid=b3f6d44b0b And heres what Politifact said: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ [Inline image 1]<http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/> [SigDems]<http://www.democrats.org/>Luis Miranda, Communications Director Democratic National Committee 202-863-8148 MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org> - @MiraLuisDC<https://www.twitter.com/MiraLuisDC>
From: hrtsleeve@gmail.com [mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:14 PM To: Miranda, Luis Cc: Paustenbach, Mark; Banfill, Ryan Subject: Re: MSNBC story At this point, why would I do that? DWS On May 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Miranda, Luis <MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org>> wrote: Yes, and Hilary sent part of that. Mika is willing to do a call with you, so we need to know if you want to make that happen too. We figure it cant get worse, so worth having a call. <image001.png><http://www.democrats.org/>Luis Miranda, Communications Director Democratic National Committee 202-863-8148 MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org> - @MiraLuisDC<https://www.twitter.com/MiraLuisDC>
From: hrtsleeve@gmail.com<mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com> [mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:05 PM To: Miranda, Luis; Paustenbach, Mark; Banfill, Ryan Subject: MSNBC story This is a good story. Did we get them the info near the bottom? Bernie Sanders faces a then what problem 05/19/16 08:53 AMUPDATED 05/19/16 08:55 AM facebook twitter 1<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> save share<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> group<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> 93<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem#discussions> By Steve Benen<http://www.msnbc.com/byline/steve-benen> Its safe to say May hasnt gone quite as well as Bernie Sanders and his supporters had hoped. He needed landslide victories in several primaries, and he came up short. After steadily gaining on Hillary Clinton in national Democratic polls for months, the senator has seen his support slip<http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary> in recent weeks. In Nevada, Sanders supporters caused a near-riot at the state Democratic convention, based on allegations of party wrongdoing that have struggled to withstand scrutiny<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/18/1528165/-Politifact-Allegations-of-fraud-and-misconduct-at-Nevada-convention-unfounded>. Sanders candidacy has had some highs and some lows, but all things considered, this hasnt exactly been a month to remember. For his legions of supporters, its no doubt discouraging. The race for the Democratic nomination, however, still has about a month to go, and the New York Times reports<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html> that Team Sanders isnt backing down, delegate arithmetic notwithstanding. Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed at inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary Clinton in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July or even wrest the nomination from her. Its at this point when Sanders and campaign operation start to run into a then what? problem. According to the Times piece, for example, Team Sanders believes it may yet win the California primary, where polls show him trailing, which might have a psychological impact on Democrats. OK, but then what? If the idea is that Democratic insiders will ignore the will of the voters and the delegate count because of one primary result, awarding Sanders the nomination despite his second-place finish, theres no reason to believe such a scenario is plausible.
The same article said Team Sanders is willing to hurt Clinton, on purpose, even as the general-election phase gets underway. OK, but then what? Theres still no reason to believe this will prompt party officials to override the primary and caucus results.
A Sanders supporter told the Times, We want to have progressive values and socialism on the conventions agenda. OK, but then what? Its not clear how, exactly, one puts socialism on the agenda, but even if that were possible, what happens afterwards?
Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, told<https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/18/will-bernie-sanders-burn-it-all-down/> the Washington Posts Greg Sargent yesterday that the Sanders campaign may ask for some changes among convention committee assignments.
OK, but then what? What are the practical effects of changing which Democrats sit on which convention committees, and why should a second-place candidate dictate convention committees membership? There are rumors about Sanders supporters preparing for civil disobedience and organized disruptions at the Democratic convention itself.
OK, but then what? History has shown that convention protests, even intra-party protests, can lead to meaningful change, but even if progressive activists literally started fires on the convention floor, in a display of violent catharsis, how does that bring Sanders and his allies any closer to their goals? The Times article added this key paragraph: [Sanders] newly resolute attitude is also the cumulative result of months of anger at the national Democratic Party over a debate schedule that his campaign said favored Mrs. Clinton; a fund-raising arrangement between the party and the Clinton campaign; the appointment of fierce Clinton partisans as leaders of important convention committees; and the partys rebuke of Mr. Sanders on Tuesday for not clearly condemning a melee at the Nevada Democratic convention on Saturday.
Its worth noting, however, that the national Democratic Party agreed to expand the debate schedule, and it offered Sanders literally the identical fundraising arrangement it struck with the Clinton campaign. Democratic officials also worked to make sure Sanders appeared on the New Hampshire and D.C. primary ballots, even after procedural and legal questions arose surrounding his eligibility steps the DNC wouldnt have taken if it were trying to rig the process against him. Theres still time to avoid scenarios that could prove costly in the fall, but not a lot of time. Sanders believes, accurately, that he has some leverage: if hes not satisfied with how the process unfolds in the coming weeks, the senator can sabotage the partys ticket and elect President Trump. Whats less clear is what hell demand in exchange for his suppFrom:MirandaL@dnc.org To: hrtsleeve@gmail.com Date: 2016-05-19 15:16 Subject: RE: MSNBC story
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Obama has had jack to work with since 2010 because of these buffoons. Let them have it.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Be sure to call out anyone trying to cite this clown car of corruption as a news source moving forward.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... It makes me think of the god-awful sexism that exists in parts of the gaming community. There is really something screwed up about a lot of technology radicals. Fundamentally, I think they are racist, sexist, homophobic, and Islamophobic in the sense that they really don't care a whit about those groups and basically are defacto allies of Trump and the Republicans.
runaway hero
(835 posts)DNC is incompetent. This isn't even their worst scandal. Get better leadership.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)pnwmom
(108,997 posts)Kind of like they only expose US secrets and never Russian secrets.
And no one ever seems to wonder why.
tralala
(239 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Is that lowlife piece of shit Assange stil around?
genna
(1,945 posts)It's as if authentic documents should never come to see the light of day especially considering the content of the document trove. Who needs to see how this sausage was made? Not the base.
The timing makes it all the more sweet: just in time for a small d exercise in democracy. On a day as electrifying as Al Gore's selecting Joe Liberman, we get the Tim Kaine news.
It is fertile ground for a convention. It will be fascinating.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)https://twitter.com/bobcesca_go/status/756591277848702976
pnwmom
(108,997 posts)still_one
(92,422 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)who need to be stopped by all means necessary. This is why "100% transparency" is not a good thing.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)Wikileaks is not a friend to us, that's for damn sure.