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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:17 PM Jul 2016

BREAKING: Wikileaks releases DNC member and donor SSANs, CC numbers

Fucking ASSHOLES!

Wikileaks are fucking criminals and they should all be arrested for this shit!



BREAKING: Wikileaks releases DNC member and donor SSANs, CC numbers

WikiLeaks firmly believes in radical transparency, the idea that the world would be better if there were no secrets. That level of transparency can be used for good, like the time the site published a video called “Collateral Murder” showing innocent journalists shot to oblivion by US troops in 2010. But not always.

The organization has also used that tradition of transparency for less just causes, like today when the site published 19,252 emails from top US Democratic National Committee members, many of which included personal information about innocent donors including credit card, social security numbers, and passport numbers.

...


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/22/1551099/-BREAKING-Wikileaks-releases-DNC-member-and-donor-SSANs-CC-numbers

http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603
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BREAKING: Wikileaks releases DNC member and donor SSANs, CC numbers (Original Post) MohRokTah Jul 2016 OP
Proof that Wikileaks is a Russian shill site. joshcryer Jul 2016 #1
I think I hate that site. FarPoint Jul 2016 #13
It's not like Putin was ever legitimately elected. joshcryer Jul 2016 #18
You can say that again..... FarPoint Jul 2016 #27
no proof at all, you are shooting in the dark larkrake Jul 2016 #75
What is very evident is their agenda, which is to take down the Democrats & leave the GOP & Trump... Hekate Jul 2016 #92
Where are the RNC leaks? liberalmuse Jul 2016 #2
^^^^^^^^^this still_one Jul 2016 #5
WHY NO RNC LEAKS?! This shit comes out but Trump and co were given a free pass?! anneboleyn Jul 2016 #61
No leaks from Russia, either. Hmmm. Metric System Jul 2016 #7
Interesting that Trump is pandering to Bernie supporters. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #12
Wiki probably shared the info with Trump camapaign first. Remember who Trump's campaign manager is. glennward Jul 2016 #60
I think this is correct, and it is made obvious by this transparent "helpful" gesture for Trump anneboleyn Jul 2016 #62
Re: Manafort (just for the record): Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #68
Only Dems not GOPs Iliyah Jul 2016 #3
OMG! riversedge Jul 2016 #4
I thought the DNC said that donor information wasn't compromised NWCorona Jul 2016 #6
I went and checked it out. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #8
Thanks for that clarification. Wilms Jul 2016 #14
Makes sense but I don't care about this. I expected the DNC to work against Bernie NWCorona Jul 2016 #19
Why couldn't the DNC work against Sanders openly? Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #69
Not really as it would look bad but now we know (confirmed) this. NWCorona Jul 2016 #71
I'm guessing some kind of contract was agreed, so, yeah, Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #76
You don't care about Wikileaks dumping real credit card and social security info, un-redacted? pnwmom Jul 2016 #90
Come on now NWCorona Jul 2016 #95
Sorry, I misunderstood you. And I agree, the dumb, especially the timing, pnwmom Jul 2016 #96
So the DNC lied @ the hack Arazi Jul 2016 #15
CYA definitely seems to be at play NWCorona Jul 2016 #21
It was more important for them to notify those who had been exposed than to tell the whole world pnwmom Jul 2016 #91
But, hey, so many here cheered Bradley Manning.. (nt) question everything Jul 2016 #9
I don't necessarily cheer her. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #82
Curious Wilms Jul 2016 #10
Some of it has to do with some guy Jul 2016 #25
Thanks! Wilms Jul 2016 #41
If DNC sent emails with people's personal financial info they are incompetent tk2kewl Jul 2016 #29
ummm... tk2kewl Jul 2016 #11
Type social security number instead of SSAN some guy Jul 2016 #26
And... tk2kewl Jul 2016 #28
Yes some guy Jul 2016 #31
Interesting. tk2kewl Jul 2016 #34
The DNC asked this: some guy Jul 2016 #38
Yeah, I saw that. They absolutely should not do that. tk2kewl Jul 2016 #42
I'll disagree on this point. some guy Jul 2016 #46
They should not ask for it to be sent via email tk2kewl Jul 2016 #50
Here's something they should not do. some guy Jul 2016 #49
Oops tk2kewl Jul 2016 #53
Getting timeouts from WikiLeaks tk2kewl Jul 2016 #37
They'll be getting smarter soon, perhaps. some guy Jul 2016 #45
Nice tack, but what they released is definitive proof of corruption. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2016 #16
Yay! More mayhem for the Democratic Party! randome Jul 2016 #17
If it creates mayhem, then what does that say about the Democratic Party? Hissyspit Jul 2016 #36
Shows bad judgement? n/t Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #74
Let me guess... HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #20
Yup, gotta get the spin right or poof! Arazi Jul 2016 #24
So to recap the week: Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #22
Closer ties with Russia would be a DISASTER! Wilms Jul 2016 #44
If you don't know what's been happening in the wider world Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #65
It's all the same sandbox with the usual Neo-Cons in it not playing nice. Wilms Jul 2016 #66
Knock it off runaway hero Jul 2016 #57
Yeah this is fucking uncalled for. Arkana Jul 2016 #23
If true, which I doubt, it is indefensible that the DNC would transmit such data via email tk2kewl Jul 2016 #30
Defend this: Hissyspit Jul 2016 #39
What's the problem? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #43
DNC not supposed to play favorites. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #47
No one is unbiased... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #52
Exactly, and they don't want Trump to win. Trump has been pandering to evangelicals. An atheist anneboleyn Jul 2016 #64
Defend what, the intercept which is a Glen Greenwald anti-Hillary, anti-Obama site? no thanks. still_one Jul 2016 #54
It is damning Hissyspit. And the responses in this thread 7wo7rees Jul 2016 #85
So the DNC transmitting this info unencrypted via email isn't a problem? Arazi Jul 2016 #32
Apparently not tk2kewl Jul 2016 #35
I'm delighted to see this -> OnDoutside Jul 2016 #33
Morning Joe/MSNBC OnDoutside Jul 2016 #40
What a perfectly FUCKED UP and SHITTY thing to do. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #48
DWS Call request with Mika B OnDoutside Jul 2016 #51
Assange, Snowden & co. were never heroes. This proves it. baldguy Jul 2016 #55
Assange does not hack, he gets data, confirms it and prints. He is not a citizen, has no larkrake Jul 2016 #73
Wiki is innocent? Not any more. baldguy Jul 2016 #78
they print what they get, no harmful data, just get new credit cards folks larkrake Jul 2016 #80
Yeap uponit7771 Jul 2016 #83
DNC view of Sanders OnDoutside Jul 2016 #56
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #58
You still have time to delete this. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #59
I disagree. runaway hero Jul 2016 #63
WikiLeaks is a perfect example of how fringe elements would rather burn than build. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #67
they research before they print, god bless them larkrake Jul 2016 #70
Interesting how these white groups target Democrats ... Onlooker Jul 2016 #72
Inaccurate. runaway hero Jul 2016 #77
Nonsense larkrake Jul 2016 #81
And that Wikileaks is dumping these just in time to hurt the Dems and help Trump. pnwmom Jul 2016 #93
The Russians use typewriters tralala Jul 2016 #97
Such a shady group. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #79
I thought the proof was in the pudding genna Jul 2016 #84
Bob Cesca nails it: Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #86
+1000. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #94
This is why Assange and Wikileaks are POS. still_one Jul 2016 #87
Snowden, Assange, etc. are global menaces ericson00 Jul 2016 #88
Where are the RNC leaks and the Russia leaks? Why all the destruction aimed at US Democrats? Hekate Jul 2016 #89

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
1. Proof that Wikileaks is a Russian shill site.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

Not a goddamn leak from BoA or the "Russian files" after months of saying they'd do it. They have the data. But Putin wants Trump, the shill, the idiot, to win. And Wikileaks is following his effective orders (mind you, they may be ideologically aligned, I'm not saying they're doing this with a gun to their heads, they were pro-Crimea invasion, after all).

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
92. What is very evident is their agenda, which is to take down the Democrats & leave the GOP & Trump...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:06 AM
Jul 2016

...alone with free rein to shred the US Constitution and destroy the US. Watch what they (Wikileaks) are actually DOING, as opposed to what they SAY.

Get real.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
61. WHY NO RNC LEAKS?! This shit comes out but Trump and co were given a free pass?!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jul 2016

Anybody who thinks that wikileaks is anything other than a pro-Russian shill site, with this cheap attempt to take down Hillary right before the convention while Trump and co (I would love to see their emails regarding Bernie et al) are given a free pass, is smoking something seriously powerful.

I have zero respect for wikileaks for doing this the weekend before the convention while the repubs were allowed to peddle hate and fear freely. Disgusting and transparent.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
60. Wiki probably shared the info with Trump camapaign first. Remember who Trump's campaign manager is.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jul 2016

Long time Russian shill.

This the really big news about the Trump campaign. Not Melania's speech:
Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
68. Re: Manafort (just for the record):
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016
Paul John Manafort, Jr.[1] (born April 1, 1949)[2] is an American lobbyist and political consultant.[citation needed]

Manafort was an adviser to the presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain, and is currently the national chairman of the presidential campaign of Donald Trump, as well as being a senior partner in the firm Davis, Manafort, and Freedman. Manafort is also known for his successful lobbying efforts on behalf of political leaders like Jonas Savimbi and Viktor Yanukovych and foreign dictators such as Ferdinand Marcos.[citation needed]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
6. I thought the DNC said that donor information wasn't compromised
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jul 2016

That said, I haven't seen anything surprising yet.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. I went and checked it out.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jul 2016

Apparently the compromised information is from expatriot donors because of some email exchanges to verify status. The DNC did not want to illegally accept any foreign donations.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
14. Thanks for that clarification.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

I suppose that could explain why that kind of info was laying around.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
19. Makes sense but I don't care about this. I expected the DNC to work against Bernie
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

once he became a threat so no surprises there.

This is just politics by wiki as if it wasn't they would just dump the info as it's received instead of trying to play chess and being all strategic.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
71. Not really as it would look bad but now we know (confirmed) this.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

IMO the time to stop Bernie was from jump but I don't think they viewed Bernie as a threat at that point.

While I don't have a problem with it. Bernie jumping on the Democratic bandwagon is a valid point of contention.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
76. I'm guessing some kind of contract was agreed, so, yeah,
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

breaking it would have looked bad, and might have had consequences under contract law.

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
90. You don't care about Wikileaks dumping real credit card and social security info, un-redacted?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:04 AM
Jul 2016

Is that because it wasn't your info that got exposed?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
95. Come on now
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016

That wasn't my point. I take personal security seriously.

This dump just seems political to me.

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
96. Sorry, I misunderstood you. And I agree, the dumb, especially the timing,
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

seems completely political.

And why do they only ever manage to leak DNC things, not RNC things.

And why only US documents, not Russian?

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
91. It was more important for them to notify those who had been exposed than to tell the whole world
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:05 AM
Jul 2016

that the info was out there ready to be downloaded.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
10. Curious
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016
The organization has also used that tradition of transparency for less just causes, like today when the site published 19,252 emails from top US Democratic National Committee members, many of which included personal information about innocent donors including credit card, social security numbers, and passport numbers.


Why would the credit card, social security numbers, and passport numbers about "innocent" donors be in the email in the first place??

And while on that subject, what about guilty donors??

some guy

(3,448 posts)
25. Some of it has to do with
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

people attending dinners and such. This example is from a dinner with PBO, and secret Service apparently vets guests?

Ms. xxxxxxxx, Thank you for your contribution! We are looking forward to seeing you on June 8th. We will be sending further details including arrival instructions the week before the event, but please feel free to reach out with any questions. Due to the nature of this event, Secret Service requires that we collect the following security information from all of our guests: full name, date of birth, and social security number. Please send this to me at your earliest convenience. If you would prefer to give the information over the phone, my number is nnn nnn nnnn

This particular email doesn't show a SSN, but there are some where this generic event response was sent, and the recipient provided their SSN via mail reply.

For credit cards, I've only seen last four digit type info.

I chnged the name to xxxxx and the phone number.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
41. Thanks!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jul 2016

Yes. I'm aware that Secret Service gets the Social of anyone who they plan on letting near the President.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
11. ummm...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016

why in the world would anyone at the DNC transmit that sort of information over email?

have you ever sent your credit card number, bank account or social security number over email?

I doubt the veracity of this story as it provides no evidence, but if it's true, it says as much about DNC competence as it does about WikiLeaks.

BTW... you can search the emails here and a quick search for SSAN returns zero results.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?q=SSAN


 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
28. And...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

Do any of those search results actually contain social security numbers? I checked a few and did not find any. Like I said, if DNC staff is transmitting this type of info over email, nobody should ever trust them with this sort of personal data.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
34. Interesting.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jul 2016

Did the DNC ask her to send that via email?

I think I'll search by email an subj and see what happens.

some guy

(3,448 posts)
38. The DNC asked this:
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jul 2016

Due to the nature of this event, Secret Service requires that we collect the following security information from all of our guests: full name, date of birth, and social security number. Please send this to me at your earliest convenience. If you would prefer to give the information over the phone, my number is nnn nnn nnnn (I chnged the number.)

So, people could call their info, and I'd guess some did. Others didn't.

some guy

(3,448 posts)
46. I'll disagree on this point.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jul 2016

The SSN info requests seem to be related ONLY to events where the President will be attending.

I'm fine with the Secret Service being overzealous in protecting the President, even if I don't like whoever is holding the office at the time.


$10,000 a plate dinners would seem like a good target if one wanted to do harm. Take out a President and other high-dollar, presumably influential people at a stroke?

So, screening guests seems a good idea.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
50. They should not ask for it to be sent via email
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

They should caution against that. Have them send postal mail or call

some guy

(3,448 posts)
49. Here's something they should not do.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

It looks like somebody lost (or embezzeled, or . . .) $10K. I don't know how that story finishes, but it's kind of Ollie North Iran-Contra on a small scale. (Ollie lost a million transferring money in Swiss accounts. I'm sure that was convenient for someone.)

https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1187

Edit: spelling / typos

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
37. Getting timeouts from WikiLeaks
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jul 2016

I guess they're getting a bit of traffic...

The person who sent their SSN via email isn't too smart regardless of whether the DNC asked them to

some guy

(3,448 posts)
45. They'll be getting smarter soon, perhaps.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jul 2016

Now that they can more easily experience identity theft.

It's an insecure world now.

I saw a different email chain that at one point included a lot of IP adress info for someone. I don't know anything about hacking, but that sort of hing might also be useful. I don't remember where I saw it.

This sort of thing just inspires me to review my internet activity and vulnerabilities.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
16. Nice tack, but what they released is definitive proof of corruption.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

You can have fun here on Unreality Island, but 10,000 posters on Reddit aren't buying that line. This is a huge story, and it will do damage.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. Yay! More mayhem for the Democratic Party!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

Fuck Wikileaks.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
20. Let me guess...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jul 2016

This thread will be allowed to stand while the ones pointing out the DNC's aggressiveness toward the Sanders campaign were closed.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. So to recap the week:
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jul 2016

Trump stresses closer ties with Putin, threatens to pull out of NATO, and now (on the day Hillary is supposed to announce her running mate) the info from a Russian hack of DNC servers makes it into the hands of Assange and Greenwald, two of the more unapologetic Kremlin apparatchiks who are both on the record as saying Trump is a better candidate...

And the Emoprogs still dutifully lap it up...

At least it's evident beyond all doubt who Greenbacks and Assange are working for -- I'm owed an apology from a couple hundred DUers for that much at least....

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
44. Closer ties with Russia would be a DISASTER!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jul 2016

We should do everything possible to continue our ramping into another cold war.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. If you don't know what's been happening in the wider world
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jul 2016

maybe you should just let the grownups discuss this...

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
39. Defend this:
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jul 2016
https://theintercept.com/2016/07/22/new-leak-top-dnc-official-wanted-to-use-bernie-sanderss-religious-beliefs-against-him/

AMONG THE NEARLY 20,000 internal emails from the Democratic National Committee, released Friday by Wikileaks and presumably provided by the hacker “Guccifer 2.0,” is a May 2016 message from DNC CFO Brad Marshall. In it, he suggested that the party should “get someone to ask” Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders about his religious beliefs.

From:MARSHALL@dnc.org
To: MirandaL@dnc.org, PaustenbachM@dnc.org, DaceyA@dnc.org
Date: 2016-05-05 03:31
Subject: No shit
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

The email was sent to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda and Deputy Communications Director Mark Paustenbach. It’s unclear who the “someone” in this message could be — though a member of the press seems like a safe bet. A request for comment sent to Marshall was not immediately returned.

I found it interesting.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
47. DNC not supposed to play favorites.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jul 2016

And they sure as shit shouldn't be talking about using religion against one of the candidates.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
52. No one is unbiased...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jul 2016

And from a strategic standpoint, religion plays a role. According to polling, atheist is on the bottom of the list for presidential candidates. If they were on the fence, that may be one way to make up their mind.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
64. Exactly, and they don't want Trump to win. Trump has been pandering to evangelicals. An atheist
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jul 2016

would doom the democrats in the general election. Sorry but it is true.

still_one

(92,422 posts)
54. Defend what, the intercept which is a Glen Greenwald anti-Hillary, anti-Obama site? no thanks.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016

"unofficial sources"

Hillary is the Democratic nominee. There was no conspiracy involved. She won because more Democrats voted for her.

Bernie Sanders has endorsed her. Deal with it.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
85. It is damning Hissyspit. And the responses in this thread
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jul 2016

I find to be rather unbelievable. But it is what it is.

Personally heartbroken for what has happened here at DU.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
33. I'm delighted to see this ->
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Jul 2016

It shows that the DNC can see what a biased arse Mika is, and the hatred she has for Hillary....

From:MirandaL@dnc.org To: Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com Date: 2016-05-18 23:07 Subject: RE: Following up...

Not necessarily. If Mika just doesn't like her, I'm not sure it's worth either of their time. I've lowered her expectations, but don't know. If you think Mika is set in stone I'm happy to kill it. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone --------

Original message --------

From: "Todd, Chuck D (NBCUniversal)" <Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com> Date: 05/18/2016 20:51 (GMT-05:00) To: "Miranda, Luis" <MirandaL@dnc.org> Subject: Re: Following up... Between us, You think the call is a good idea? Chuck Todd NBC News @chucktodd

On May 18, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Miranda, Luis <MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org>> wrote:

Hey Chuck, per our conversation earlier today, I’d appreciate it if you passed along the following to the Morning Joe team. I understand Joe and Mika will say whatever they’re going to say in terms of opinion, but at a minimum they should consider the facts on some of the key allegations they’re making. The DNC Chair has repeatedly said on the air and otherwise that it’s not her job to tell either candidate to get out and has never called for anyone to get out of the race. She has talked in very positive terms<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-april-26-primary-results> about both of our candidates<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-south-carolina-primary-results-feb-27> and the substantive campaigns they’ve run<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-new-hampshire-primary-results>. As for the stuff that Joe and Mika tried to rehash this morning about debates, the fact is our debates earned far better ratings<https://medium.com/@MiraLuisDC/democratic-debate-ratings-rank-far-ahead-of-most-primary-debates-889d8ab42ca#.qepssg11f> overall this year than they did in past cycles. And as NBC knows all too well, when we were able to get both campaigns to agree, we added four. The rules in place for this election have been pretty much the same for several cycles. In fact, the major change from 2008 – when Obama beat Clinton --- is that there are actually LESS unpledged “super” delegates, now down to 15% from 20% prior to the change. No one wrote or rewrote any rules to help or hurt any specific candidate, these are the Party rules. The single biggest factor determining the nominee (85%) is the participation of voters in primaries and caucuses. You can see a post we did here that lays out the facts on Super Delegates<https://medium.com/@patricetaylor/here-are-the-actual-facts-about-super-delegates-7660c5c7dd1#.288n079v7>. It also debunks the false myths about Iowa. The DNC’s delegate selection rules for this primary were set before any of these candidates declared, and are consistent with the rules in place for several cycles – including 2008 when Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton. There’s just no evidence that the process has been rigged. It certainly wasn’t rigged in Nevada this weekend, which was not a DNC event but a state party one. But don’t take it from us, here’s what Jon Ralston wrote: http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/17/ralston-reports-dems-need-unity-but-theyre-getting-mutiny-nevada-democratic-convention-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/84521894/?mc_cid=6001cbd708&mc_eid=b3f6d44b0b And here’s what Politifact said: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ <image002.png><http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/> Let me know if there’s anything else I can provide. Thanks, -Luis.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
40. Morning Joe/MSNBC
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jul 2016

Tuesday May 3, 2016

To: Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz From: Luis Miranda CC: Ryan Banfill; Kate Houghton; Tracie Pough Date: May 2, 2016 What: Off the Record Meeting with Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC When: Tuesday May 3, 2016; 10:00 AM Where: 30 Rockefeller Center Format: Off the Record Meeting in Phil’s Office Who: YOU, Phil Griffin Topic: Relationship Building / Town Hall

TOPLINE: This is an opportunity to say hello and touch base on the timing and setting for a voting rights town hall (agreed to during the NH debate negotiations); and to stress that we want to have greater collaboration with their team on having the Democratic Party represented on their shows.

MSNBC has largely moved to having their contributors and talent do most of the on-air commentary and we don’t get many opportunities to have the Party represented. While Mika won’t be there, you should point out that you’re reaching out to re-engage with her. Our relationship with NBC/MSNBC is severely frayed given what they perceive as a snub with the last debate, and CNN getting favored treatment. Griffin may raise that concern, and ideally we could lower the temperature and seek common ground.

TALKING POINTS: · Conversational, no set talking points.

BACKGROUND: There had been stories suggesting that MSNBC was in turmoil last year, and they underwent a major shift on programming. There had been rumors that Griffin was going to be fired. However, internal sources suggest he is fine and not going anywhere and MSNBC has seen a significant improvement over last year in ratings.

BigDemVoter

(4,157 posts)
48. What a perfectly FUCKED UP and SHITTY thing to do.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jul 2016

F-U-C-K-E-D. . . Nothing nice to say. This is bullshit.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
51. DWS Call request with Mika B
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jul 2016
DWS Call with Mika B

From:BanfillR@dnc.org To: HoughtonK@dnc.org Date: 2016-05-18 21:13 Subject: DWS Call with Mika B

Luis is working to get Mika B (from Morning Joe) and DWS on the phone together to clear up some misperceptions of the DNC and DWS that she has expressed on the air. Is there time on the schedule tomorrow to make this happen? Thanks, Ryan
 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
73. Assange does not hack, he gets data, confirms it and prints. He is not a citizen, has no
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

reason to be loyal to any target when it comes to exposing truths That is wikileaks only job- to vet and expose data. God knows who his source is. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Russia, most likely the sources are american. There has to be at least two sources for wiki to print, so figure it out folks.

Snowden is not legally innocent, but Wiki is

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
78. Wiki is innocent? Not any more.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

They stole private data of private citizens - then released it.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
80. they print what they get, no harmful data, just get new credit cards folks
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jul 2016

The DNC certainly didnt think about encrypting your personal data- and you are angry with Wiki???????

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
56. DNC view of Sanders
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016
From:MirandaL@dnc.org To: hrtsleeve@gmail.com Date: 2016-05-19 15:16 Subject: RE: MSNBC story

Not as a personal dig, but asking her to at a minimum pick up the phone and reach out. That her facts are wrong, and happy to talk her through it. For example, what I sent them included: The DNC Chair has repeatedly said on the air and otherwise that it’s not her job to tell either candidate to get out and has never called for anyone to get out of the race.

She has talked in very positive terms<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-april-26-primary-results> about both of our candidates<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-south-carolina-primary-results-feb-27> and the substantive campaigns they’ve run<https://www.democrats.org/Post/dnc-chair-statement-on-new-hampshire-primary-results>.

As for the stuff that Joe and Mika tried to rehash this morning about debates, the fact is our debates earned far better ratings

<https://medium.com/@MiraLuisDC/democratic-debate-ratings-rank-far-ahead-of-most-primary-debates-889d8ab42ca#.qepssg11f> overall this year than they did in past cycles. And as NBC knows all too well, when we were able to get both campaigns to agree, we added four. The rules in place for this election have been pretty much the same for several cycles.

In fact, the major change from 2008 – when Obama beat Clinton --- is that there are actually LESS unpledged “super” delegates, now down to 15% from 20% prior to the change. No one wrote or rewrote any rules to help or hurt any specific candidate, these are the Party rules. The single biggest factor determining the nominee (85%) is the participation of voters in primaries and caucuses. You can see a post we did here that lays out the facts on Super Delegates<https://medium.com/@patricetaylor/here-are-the-actual-facts-about-super-delegates-7660c5c7dd1#.288n079v7>.

It also debunks the false myths about Iowa. The DNC’s delegate selection rules for this primary were set before any of these candidates declared, and are consistent with the rules in place for several cycles – including 2008 when Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton. There’s just no evidence that the process has been rigged. It certainly wasn’t rigged in Nevada this weekend, which was not a DNC event but a state party one.

But don’t take it from us, here’s what Jon Ralston wrote:

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/17/ralston-reports-dems-need-unity-but-theyre-getting-mutiny-nevada-democratic-convention-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/84521894/?mc_cid=6001cbd708&mc_eid=b3f6d44b0b And here’s what Politifact said: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/ [Inline image 1]<http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/> [SigDems]<http://www.democrats.org/>Luis Miranda, Communications Director Democratic National Committee 202-863-8148 – MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org> - @MiraLuisDC<https://www.twitter.com/MiraLuisDC>

From: hrtsleeve@gmail.com [mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:14 PM To: Miranda, Luis Cc: Paustenbach, Mark; Banfill, Ryan Subject: Re: MSNBC story At this point, why would I do that? DWS On May 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Miranda, Luis <MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org>> wrote: Yes, and Hilary sent part of that. Mika is willing to do a call with you, so we need to know if you want to make that happen too. We figure it can’t get worse, so worth having a call. <image001.png><http://www.democrats.org/>Luis Miranda, Communications Director Democratic National Committee 202-863-8148 – MirandaL@dnc.org<mailto:MirandaL@dnc.org> - @MiraLuisDC<https://www.twitter.com/MiraLuisDC>

From: hrtsleeve@gmail.com<mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com> [mailto:hrtsleeve@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:05 PM To: Miranda, Luis; Paustenbach, Mark; Banfill, Ryan Subject: MSNBC story This is a good story. Did we get them the info near the bottom? Bernie Sanders faces a ‘then what’ problem 05/19/16 08:53 AM—UPDATED 05/19/16 08:55 AM facebook twitter 1<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> save share<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> group<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem> 93<http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-faces-then-what-problem#discussions> By Steve Benen<http://www.msnbc.com/byline/steve-benen> It’s safe to say May hasn’t gone quite as well as Bernie Sanders and his supporters had hoped. He needed landslide victories in several primaries, and he came up short. After steadily gaining on Hillary Clinton in national Democratic polls for months, the senator has seen his support slip<http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary> in recent weeks. In Nevada, Sanders’ supporters caused a near-riot at the state Democratic convention, based on allegations of party wrongdoing that have struggled to withstand scrutiny<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/18/1528165/-Politifact-Allegations-of-fraud-and-misconduct-at-Nevada-convention-unfounded>. Sanders’ candidacy has had some highs and some lows, but all things considered, this hasn’t exactly been a month to remember. For his legions of supporters, it’s no doubt discouraging. The race for the Democratic nomination, however, still has about a month to go, and the New York Times reports<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html> that Team Sanders isn’t backing down, delegate arithmetic notwithstanding. Defiant and determined to transform the Democratic Party, Senator Bernie Sanders is opening a two-month phase of his presidential campaign aimed at inflicting a heavy blow on Hillary Clinton in California and amassing enough leverage to advance his agenda at the convention in July – or even wrest the nomination from her. It’s at this point when Sanders and campaign operation start to run into a “then what?” problem. According to the Times’ piece, for example, Team Sanders believes it may yet win the California primary, where polls show him trailing, which might have “a psychological impact” on Democrats. OK, but then what? If the idea is that Democratic insiders will ignore the will of the voters and the delegate count because of one primary result, awarding Sanders the nomination despite his second-place finish, there’s no reason to believe such a scenario is plausible.

The same article said Team Sanders is willing to hurt Clinton, on purpose, even as the general-election phase gets underway. OK, but then what? There’s still no reason to believe this will prompt party officials to override the primary and caucus results.

A Sanders supporter told the Times, “We want to have progressive values and socialism on the convention’s agenda.” OK, but then what? It’s not clear how, exactly, one puts “socialism” on the “agenda,” but even if that were possible, what happens afterwards?

Tad Devine, a top Sanders strategist, told<https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/18/will-bernie-sanders-burn-it-all-down/> the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent yesterday that the Sanders campaign may ask for some changes among convention committee assignments.

OK, but then what? What are the practical effects of changing which Democrats sit on which convention committees, and why should a second-place candidate dictate convention committees’ membership? There are rumors about Sanders supporters preparing for civil disobedience and organized disruptions at the Democratic convention itself.

OK, but then what? History has shown that convention protests, even intra-party protests, can lead to meaningful change, but even if progressive activists literally started fires on the convention floor, in a display of violent catharsis, how does that bring Sanders and his allies any closer to their goals? The Times article added this key paragraph: [Sanders’] newly resolute attitude is also the cumulative result of months of anger at the national Democratic Party over a debate schedule that his campaign said favored Mrs. Clinton; a fund-raising arrangement between the party and the Clinton campaign; the appointment of fierce Clinton partisans as leaders of important convention committees; and the party’s rebuke of Mr. Sanders on Tuesday for not clearly condemning a melee at the Nevada Democratic convention on Saturday.

It’s worth noting, however, that the national Democratic Party agreed to expand the debate schedule, and it offered Sanders literally the identical fundraising arrangement it struck with the Clinton campaign. Democratic officials also worked to make sure Sanders appeared on the New Hampshire and D.C. primary ballots, even after procedural and legal questions arose surrounding his eligibility – steps the DNC wouldn’t have taken if it were trying to rig the process against him. There’s still time to avoid scenarios that could prove costly in the fall, but not a lot of time. Sanders believes, accurately, that he has some leverage: if he’s not satisfied with how the process unfolds in the coming weeks, the senator can sabotage the party’s ticket and elect President Trump. What’s less clear is what he’ll demand in exchange for his suppFrom:MirandaL@dnc.org To: hrtsleeve@gmail.com Date: 2016-05-19 15:16 Subject: RE: MSNBC story

Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
67. WikiLeaks is a perfect example of how fringe elements would rather burn than build.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jul 2016

Be sure to call out anyone trying to cite this clown car of corruption as a news source moving forward.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
72. Interesting how these white groups target Democrats ...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jul 2016

... It makes me think of the god-awful sexism that exists in parts of the gaming community. There is really something screwed up about a lot of technology radicals. Fundamentally, I think they are racist, sexist, homophobic, and Islamophobic in the sense that they really don't care a whit about those groups and basically are defacto allies of Trump and the Republicans.

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
93. And that Wikileaks is dumping these just in time to hurt the Dems and help Trump.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:07 AM
Jul 2016

Kind of like they only expose US secrets and never Russian secrets.

And no one ever seems to wonder why.

genna

(1,945 posts)
84. I thought the proof was in the pudding
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

It's as if authentic documents should never come to see the light of day especially considering the content of the document trove. Who needs to see how this sausage was made? Not the base.

The timing makes it all the more sweet: just in time for a small d exercise in democracy. On a day as electrifying as Al Gore's selecting Joe Liberman, we get the Tim Kaine news.

It is fertile ground for a convention. It will be fascinating.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
86. Bob Cesca nails it:
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016
In the wake of the most tyrannical speech in modern U.S. history, The Intercept has chosen instead to run a story... attacking the DNC.


https://twitter.com/bobcesca_go/status/756591277848702976
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
88. Snowden, Assange, etc. are global menaces
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:01 AM
Jul 2016

who need to be stopped by all means necessary. This is why "100% transparency" is not a good thing.

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
89. Where are the RNC leaks and the Russia leaks? Why all the destruction aimed at US Democrats?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:03 AM
Jul 2016

Wikileaks is not a friend to us, that's for damn sure.

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