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My God. 1st person up on msnbc is an angry Bernie supporter. (Original Post) nolabear Jul 2016 OP
Of course, they were given almost everything they wanted on the platform. redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #1
Hell I wasn't particularly enthused but I'm not going to hurt this important campaign. nolabear Jul 2016 #5
That's what I thought. How quickly they forget Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #10
but TRUE ciaobaby Jul 2016 #15
Ah you you you wanted to pick the VP !!! Awwwww! Her Sister Jul 2016 #18
I like the pick. I saw him on a CSpan lengthy interview recently Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #22
Yes! Smart choice! Her Sister Jul 2016 #24
Let's be honest here. annavictorious Jul 2016 #63
AH - but for the DNC we would all be such a happy united group. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #65
Chris Hayes schooled her and she looked so smug while he was doing it. redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #39
CNN has a panel of Republicans. Metric System Jul 2016 #2
Why are you banging your head? elleng Jul 2016 #3
Because for that to be the first go-to made me want to beat my head against a wall. nolabear Jul 2016 #7
It did that for me too! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #41
It is kind of strange that they used a non-Clinton supporter as the first commenter. They're really kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #30
Haven't watch msnbc for months; elleng Jul 2016 #34
M$NBC is NOT a liberal news outlet... Not even close. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #40
Odd. I was watching MSNBC 2banon Jul 2016 #69
I have no problem with other views in regard to people's preferences for VP. While I would have still_one Jul 2016 #58
What are they talking about? (nt) bigwillq Jul 2016 #4
MSNBC didn't give the announcement 60 seconds... SticksnStones Jul 2016 #6
I wondered about that myself. I don't need everyone to fall in line right now but...seriously? nolabear Jul 2016 #8
And how is Andrea Mitchell SticksnStones Jul 2016 #9
Republicans are our friends....didn't you get the memo? Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #12
There's also Republicans for Sanders sites. Trump constantly talks about the Sanders voters are kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #33
I would like to think no DUer would need this explained to them. However, just in case... stevenleser Jul 2016 #49
Is there a problem with Republicans crossing over and voting for Hillary in the GE? annavictorious Jul 2016 #56
It is an unpopular choice with many Democrats Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #11
Millions of us are ok with the choice. SticksnStones Jul 2016 #17
I viewed MSNBC the entire day giving SEVERAL HOURS of POSITIVE Commentary 2banon Jul 2016 #71
No, actually Kaine is well liked and respected among Dems leftofcool Jul 2016 #20
I resent the implication... Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #27
I'm afraid the 'spirit of the times' elleng Jul 2016 #37
... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #45
she, there's really no reason to roll your eyes at my post. elleng Jul 2016 #48
I have bitten my tongue for a very long time. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #61
We've pretty much known it was going to be Kaine from day one. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2016 #38
Nah I am a Democrat and am happy with her choice! Her Sister Jul 2016 #23
Very unpopular. But because few people post that millions support Kaine doesn't mean millions do not farmboy Jul 2016 #36
Thanks again for your thoughtful point of view, farmboy. elleng Jul 2016 #43
At least he's consistent. annavictorious Jul 2016 #59
It's the best choice, especially given the circumstances. annavictorious Jul 2016 #57
Warren could have resigned her Senate seat... Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #60
Yes, but the governor would still appoint an interim senator annavictorious Jul 2016 #62
First, she was not the first one up ciaobaby Jul 2016 #13
Oh honey, if that's your idea of "ballistic." It's really "I'm rubber and you're glue" here. nolabear Jul 2016 #29
oh Honey yourself ciaobaby Jul 2016 #35
... nolabear Jul 2016 #50
Yea, I saw her. I'm not terribly worried. First of all, I was all for Bernie, and feel bad he's napi21 Jul 2016 #14
Well, we can't get her nominees confirmed without the senate HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #31
I'm just talking possibilities. Look t the age of the current justices. napi21 Jul 2016 #47
Historically it's rather more common for SC vacancies to be around 1 per term. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #66
I'm sorry I didn't mention that. I thought that was a given. napi21 Jul 2016 #70
Game on. I've spread a lot of "Please Not Kaine" posts here- But I'm onboard & those posts are dust NBachers Jul 2016 #16
Yep, me too. nolabear Jul 2016 #26
Well put. still_one Jul 2016 #54
He moved to cooler heads... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #19
You don't have to use "angry" as a qualifier. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #21
Well, I did mention it. :) nolabear Jul 2016 #25
HA! ciaobaby Jul 2016 #32
True. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #42
Kaine will work out fine. A perfect partner. oasis Jul 2016 #28
I feel the same way Butterflies Jul 2016 #68
Member of Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees. He's oasis Jul 2016 #72
Tell me about it Setsuna1972 Jul 2016 #44
There's some crank on with Hayes now. RonniePudding Jul 2016 #46
And, of course, your thread turned into exactly what I thought it would. demmiblue Jul 2016 #51
I did a double take when I saw that also. riversedge Jul 2016 #52
MSNBC has been shit-stirring for months. annavictorious Jul 2016 #53
Awwww pobrecita! Her Sister Jul 2016 #55
We are! nolabear Jul 2016 #64
Sure. Jakes Progress Jul 2016 #67

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. Of course, they were given almost everything they wanted on the platform.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jul 2016

But that isn't enough for them. I think this will be a great ticket. Get over it.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
5. Hell I wasn't particularly enthused but I'm not going to hurt this important campaign.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

She didn't even say what she'd have liked but just that it'll drive Bernie supporters away.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
10. That's what I thought. How quickly they forget
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jul 2016

She said, that Clinton did nothing to court the Bernie supporters! What an angry, shortsighted response.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
63. Let's be honest here.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary and the Democratic party have held their hand out to Sanders supporters ever since the primaries were over.

I'm beginning to think that they will only consider themselves "courted" if Hillary drops out and releases her delegates to Sanders.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
39. Chris Hayes schooled her and she looked so smug while he was doing it.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jul 2016

Not liking that wing of the Bernie supporters.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
30. It is kind of strange that they used a non-Clinton supporter as the first commenter. They're really
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jul 2016

raining on the Clinton/Kaine parade right now on MSNBC.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
40. M$NBC is NOT a liberal news outlet... Not even close.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jul 2016

Not anymore. They have abandoned the "Lean Forward" motto and are quickly retooling to "Lean Right." Just look at the right wing tools that are now showing up on air. They have returned to the bad old days of that network where you have to find the one or two progressive voices left on air.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
69. Odd. I was watching MSNBC
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:20 AM
Jul 2016

What i saw, a majority of extremely supportive commentary, hour after hour after every passing hour. I also saw the Bernie supporter criticizing the vp pick, but frankly it was mild compared to criticism elsewhere.. a little perspective all around might be helpful.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
58. I have no problem with other views in regard to people's preferences for VP. While I would have
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jul 2016

preferred another selection, my biggest concern isn't the disagreement with some of his positions, because he will follow the lead of the President, but that he will be a passionate advocate for the President's stated positions.

I don't know what kind of fighter he is. I know Elizabeth Warren is a fighter, and while I understand why Elizabeth Warren was not chosen, because the risk of the republican govenor replacing her with a republican, was not worth the risk of potentially losing the Senate, I do want the VP, Kane in this case, to be as much of a passionate fighter as Elizabeth Warren would be.

That is my biggest concern regarding Tim Kane. I don't know what kind of a fighter he is. That will determine more than anything if it was a right choice or not in my view

President Obama choose Biden because of Biden's experience, and because Joe is a fighter, though at times he can put his foot in his mouth, he had passion, which I hope Kaine has

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
6. MSNBC didn't give the announcement 60 seconds...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

Before having someone on to bash the choice. MSNBC feels less and less like an ally.

What happened to Lean Forward?

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
9. And how is Andrea Mitchell
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jul 2016

Is forever referencing her source in the campaign. Mitchell is a republican. Is there a mole in camp Clinton?!

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
33. There's also Republicans for Sanders sites. Trump constantly talks about the Sanders voters are
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jul 2016

going to vote for him.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
56. Is there a problem with Republicans crossing over and voting for Hillary in the GE?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jul 2016

It's not like they're crossing over to mess up a primary election.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
17. Millions of us are ok with the choice.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016

Millions of her supporters understand how you have to thread the needle to get elected President of the whole country with it's vastly diverse population.

And we millions of supporters didn't get so much as 60 seconds to reflect positively on this moment.

Not 60 seconds.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
71. I viewed MSNBC the entire day giving SEVERAL HOURS of POSITIVE Commentary
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:29 AM
Jul 2016

This is so weird The complaints amounted to nothing in comparison to the positive praising and some might describe as genuflecting over vp process, the ultimate decision, the game plan etc.

What more could a supporter ask for? So they had on one or two Sanders surrogates criticising the pick. Music to Clinton's ears. Perspective people!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
20. No, actually Kaine is well liked and respected among Dems
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

There will be some grumbling from those on the far left who wanted Sanders but no problem from Dems.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
27. I resent the implication...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jul 2016

not being of the "far-left" ot even the "near-left", but this choice is a blunder that is out of the spirit of the times, and will suppress enthusiasm in a fashion the party can not afford.

I voted for HRC. Not Sanders. But sticking a thumb in the eye of a huge part of our electorate (including a huge number of younger voters) is not good electoral politics.

elleng

(130,972 posts)
37. I'm afraid the 'spirit of the times'
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jul 2016

is being ignored by the DemPTB. We shall see how far it gets us.

elleng

(130,972 posts)
48. she, there's really no reason to roll your eyes at my post.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

We used to agree on some matters, we no longer agree, and I've avoided responding to the numerous occasions in negative ways when this has been apparent to me.

sheshe2

(83,790 posts)
61. I have bitten my tongue for a very long time.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

Your posts are negative.

Because of past agreements...I stayed silent. I will continue to do so now.

Best to you and yours. I am done.

farmboy

(252 posts)
36. Very unpopular. But because few people post that millions support Kaine doesn't mean millions do not
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jul 2016

The democrats around me, a Hillary (not Sanders) supporter, are and will be gigantically disappointed in her reach back to the way of the Clintons in the 90s. MSNBC just talked about this as a reinforcement of her ties to the same people who were the Clinton braintrust during Bill's presidency. Not forward thinking at all.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
59. At least he's consistent.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jul 2016

Every Democrat he knows is troubled by Hillary's troubling VP choice.

And they're concerned as well.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
57. It's the best choice, especially given the circumstances.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jul 2016

Brown, Booker, and EW would have put a senate seat into the hands of the Republicans, and Sanders was ineligible due to the fact that they couldn't fully vet him because of his unwillingness to release his taxes.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
60. Warren could have resigned her Senate seat...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jul 2016

which would have forced a special election under MA law. So it would not have been a lost seat in all likelihood.

Water-under-the-bridge, but wanted to set the record straight.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
13. First, she was not the first one up
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jul 2016

Second, she explained her politics are progressive, she was not "a Bernie supporter" for the interview purposes.
Third, when will Hillary folks let someone have a differing opinion without going ballistic?
She did not like the Tim Kaine choice and she explained her reasons.

It is no wonder so many people are tired of the Dems expecting all to be one minded lemmings.

Sad really.

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
29. Oh honey, if that's your idea of "ballistic." It's really "I'm rubber and you're glue" here.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jul 2016

It's no wonder yaddayadda.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
14. Yea, I saw her. I'm not terribly worried. First of all, I was all for Bernie, and feel bad he's
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016

not leading our ticket, but I'm a lot more scared of a Trump election! I like Hillary, and Kane is OK. The MOST IMPORTANT issue IMO is the SCOTUS! I know Hillary will nominate Progressive candidates to the SCOTUS, and I've had thirty years too many of a
RW court. If Hillary doesn't win, and the next president nominates 3, 4, or even 5 judges, we're screwed for the rest of MY LIFE, my son's lives, and the better part of my grandkids lives too!

Bernie will convince most of his supporters to support the Dem. ticket, and most will go along with his recommendation.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. Well, we can't get her nominees confirmed without the senate
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jul 2016

And we can't stop repubican nominees without the senate.

It would be quite unusual for a president to nominate 5.

Nominations typically happen on a fairly regular basis providing opportunities to re-balance the court with the consent of the senate.

It's really the balance of the court that's most important, not the length of the terms.

So how come you think there will be ~5 nominees in the next 4 years?

napi21

(45,806 posts)
47. I'm just talking possibilities. Look t the age of the current justices.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jul 2016



Justice

Date of Birth

Appointed by

Sworn in

Vacant
(Antonin Scalia) 3/11/1936
Died 2/13/2016
Age: 79 yr 11 mo Ronald Reagan 9/26/1986
Served: 29 yr 4 mo
Anthony Kennedy 7/23/1936
Age: 79 yr 11 mo Ronald Reagan 2/18/1988
Served: 28 yr 5 mo
Clarence Thomas 6/23/1948
Age: 68 yr 0 mo George H. W. Bush 10/23/1991
Served: 24 yr 8 mo
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 3/15/1933
Age: 83 yr 4 mo Bill Clinton 8/19/1993
Served: 22 yr 11 mo
Stephen Breyer 8/15/1938
Age: 77 yr 11 mo Bill Clinton 8/3/1994
Served: 21 yr 11 mo
John G. Roberts 1/27/1955
Age: 61 yr 5 mo George W. Bush 9/29/2005
Served: 10 yr 9 mo
Samuel A. Alito, Jr. 4/1/1950
Age: 66 yr 3 mo George W. Bush 1/31/2006
Served: 10 yr 5 mo
Sonia Sotomayor 6/25/1954
Age: 62 yr 0 mo Barack Obama 8/8/2009
Served: 6 yr 11 mo
Elena Kagan 4/28/1960
Age: 56 yr 2 mo Barack Obama 8/7/2010
Served: 5 yr 11 mo

You have Scalia's vacant seat, and three other justices over 70, and one who WILL be 70 in two years.

I never said it was a probability, but a possibility. Even if that president only nominates 3 or 4, that's enough to secure the RW court for a very very long time.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
66. Historically it's rather more common for SC vacancies to be around 1 per term.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jul 2016

If Scalia's vacancy isn't filled and Ginsburg resigns it's likely that in the next term president will nominate 2

Generally speaking of actuarial likelihoods of any of the 70+ year old justices of dying in the next 4 years it's somewhat north of 18%. Thomas's likelihood of dying in the next 4 years is 12-ish% and the other justices in their 60's less than 6 percent.

In any case the strong concern should be about democratic control of the senate. That is always in play regardless of the party affiliation of a president. And few people really seem dedicated to getting that control.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
70. I'm sorry I didn't mention that. I thought that was a given.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jul 2016

I've been hearing people talk about how important for a President Hillary to have a cooperative Senate (and hopefully House) so we can finally get some progressive ideas passed into law. It's still the most important is the Presidency, second Congress, and third SCOTUS. I'm trying to push for all three!

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
16. Game on. I've spread a lot of "Please Not Kaine" posts here- But I'm onboard & those posts are dust
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016
Hitches up britches, picks up the axe, and heads out to chop wood.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
19. He moved to cooler heads...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

The fact that we could take the Senate and Bernie, Sherrod, and Elizabeth would be elevated is an amazing prospect.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
72. Member of Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees. He's
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

definitely got some glowing national security bona fides going for him.

Setsuna1972

(332 posts)
44. Tell me about it
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jul 2016

ThAt person would have been happy only if Bernie had been selected . Talk about bitter !

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
55. Awwww pobrecita!
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

In any case, Congratulations to the VP nominee!! Welcome for the ride, the next months!

We are ready and raring to go!!!

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
67. Sure.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jul 2016

The whole Democratic Primary feud was fueled by MSM need for ratings. Need someone to go against Clinton and give us some drama, drama, drama. It worked so well, they want to keep it going. So many seem to lap it up.

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