2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMy God. 1st person up on msnbc is an angry Bernie supporter.
I'm going to edit this to say I'm not mad at Bernie and am only somewhat pissed at his supporter but msnbc really made me angry.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)But that isn't enough for them. I think this will be a great ticket. Get over it.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)She didn't even say what she'd have liked but just that it'll drive Bernie supporters away.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)She said, that Clinton did nothing to court the Bernie supporters! What an angry, shortsighted response.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)He was impressive.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Like our candidate!
annavictorious
(934 posts)Hillary and the Democratic party have held their hand out to Sanders supporters ever since the primaries were over.
I'm beginning to think that they will only consider themselves "courted" if Hillary drops out and releases her delegates to Sanders.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Not liking that wing of the Bernie supporters.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)elleng
(130,972 posts)Don't want to hear OTHER opinions?
nolabear
(41,986 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)raining on the Clinton/Kaine parade right now on MSNBC.
elleng
(130,972 posts)occasionally listen to cnn. Now, music.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Not anymore. They have abandoned the "Lean Forward" motto and are quickly retooling to "Lean Right." Just look at the right wing tools that are now showing up on air. They have returned to the bad old days of that network where you have to find the one or two progressive voices left on air.
2banon
(7,321 posts)What i saw, a majority of extremely supportive commentary, hour after hour after every passing hour. I also saw the Bernie supporter criticizing the vp pick, but frankly it was mild compared to criticism elsewhere.. a little perspective all around might be helpful.
still_one
(92,219 posts)preferred another selection, my biggest concern isn't the disagreement with some of his positions, because he will follow the lead of the President, but that he will be a passionate advocate for the President's stated positions.
I don't know what kind of fighter he is. I know Elizabeth Warren is a fighter, and while I understand why Elizabeth Warren was not chosen, because the risk of the republican govenor replacing her with a republican, was not worth the risk of potentially losing the Senate, I do want the VP, Kane in this case, to be as much of a passionate fighter as Elizabeth Warren would be.
That is my biggest concern regarding Tim Kane. I don't know what kind of a fighter he is. That will determine more than anything if it was a right choice or not in my view
President Obama choose Biden because of Biden's experience, and because Joe is a fighter, though at times he can put his foot in his mouth, he had passion, which I hope Kaine has
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Before having someone on to bash the choice. MSNBC feels less and less like an ally.
What happened to Lean Forward?
nolabear
(41,986 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Is forever referencing her source in the campaign. Mitchell is a republican. Is there a mole in camp Clinton?!
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)We are welcoming them into the tent!
#THEY are with HER
https://www.facebook.com/RepublicansForHillary/
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)going to vote for him.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)It's not like they're crossing over to mess up a primary election.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)Myself included. People who supported HRC.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Millions of her supporters understand how you have to thread the needle to get elected President of the whole country with it's vastly diverse population.
And we millions of supporters didn't get so much as 60 seconds to reflect positively on this moment.
Not 60 seconds.
2banon
(7,321 posts)This is so weird The complaints amounted to nothing in comparison to the positive praising and some might describe as genuflecting over vp process, the ultimate decision, the game plan etc.
What more could a supporter ask for? So they had on one or two Sanders surrogates criticising the pick. Music to Clinton's ears. Perspective people!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)There will be some grumbling from those on the far left who wanted Sanders but no problem from Dems.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)not being of the "far-left" ot even the "near-left", but this choice is a blunder that is out of the spirit of the times, and will suppress enthusiasm in a fashion the party can not afford.
I voted for HRC. Not Sanders. But sticking a thumb in the eye of a huge part of our electorate (including a huge number of younger voters) is not good electoral politics.
elleng
(130,972 posts)is being ignored by the DemPTB. We shall see how far it gets us.
elleng
(130,972 posts)We used to agree on some matters, we no longer agree, and I've avoided responding to the numerous occasions in negative ways when this has been apparent to me.
sheshe2
(83,790 posts)Your posts are negative.
Because of past agreements...I stayed silent. I will continue to do so now.
Best to you and yours. I am done.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)farmboy
(252 posts)The democrats around me, a Hillary (not Sanders) supporter, are and will be gigantically disappointed in her reach back to the way of the Clintons in the 90s. MSNBC just talked about this as a reinforcement of her ties to the same people who were the Clinton braintrust during Bill's presidency. Not forward thinking at all.
elleng
(130,972 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)Every Democrat he knows is troubled by Hillary's troubling VP choice.
And they're concerned as well.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Brown, Booker, and EW would have put a senate seat into the hands of the Republicans, and Sanders was ineligible due to the fact that they couldn't fully vet him because of his unwillingness to release his taxes.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)which would have forced a special election under MA law. So it would not have been a lost seat in all likelihood.
Water-under-the-bridge, but wanted to set the record straight.
annavictorious
(934 posts)and a lot can happen in five months.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Second, she explained her politics are progressive, she was not "a Bernie supporter" for the interview purposes.
Third, when will Hillary folks let someone have a differing opinion without going ballistic?
She did not like the Tim Kaine choice and she explained her reasons.
It is no wonder so many people are tired of the Dems expecting all to be one minded lemmings.
Sad really.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)It's no wonder yaddayadda.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)No, you win. I got nothin'
napi21
(45,806 posts)not leading our ticket, but I'm a lot more scared of a Trump election! I like Hillary, and Kane is OK. The MOST IMPORTANT issue IMO is the SCOTUS! I know Hillary will nominate Progressive candidates to the SCOTUS, and I've had thirty years too many of a
RW court. If Hillary doesn't win, and the next president nominates 3, 4, or even 5 judges, we're screwed for the rest of MY LIFE, my son's lives, and the better part of my grandkids lives too!
Bernie will convince most of his supporters to support the Dem. ticket, and most will go along with his recommendation.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)And we can't stop repubican nominees without the senate.
It would be quite unusual for a president to nominate 5.
Nominations typically happen on a fairly regular basis providing opportunities to re-balance the court with the consent of the senate.
It's really the balance of the court that's most important, not the length of the terms.
So how come you think there will be ~5 nominees in the next 4 years?
napi21
(45,806 posts)Justice
Date of Birth
Appointed by
Sworn in
Vacant
(Antonin Scalia) 3/11/1936
Died 2/13/2016
Age: 79 yr 11 mo Ronald Reagan 9/26/1986
Served: 29 yr 4 mo
Anthony Kennedy 7/23/1936
Age: 79 yr 11 mo Ronald Reagan 2/18/1988
Served: 28 yr 5 mo
Clarence Thomas 6/23/1948
Age: 68 yr 0 mo George H. W. Bush 10/23/1991
Served: 24 yr 8 mo
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 3/15/1933
Age: 83 yr 4 mo Bill Clinton 8/19/1993
Served: 22 yr 11 mo
Stephen Breyer 8/15/1938
Age: 77 yr 11 mo Bill Clinton 8/3/1994
Served: 21 yr 11 mo
John G. Roberts 1/27/1955
Age: 61 yr 5 mo George W. Bush 9/29/2005
Served: 10 yr 9 mo
Samuel A. Alito, Jr. 4/1/1950
Age: 66 yr 3 mo George W. Bush 1/31/2006
Served: 10 yr 5 mo
Sonia Sotomayor 6/25/1954
Age: 62 yr 0 mo Barack Obama 8/8/2009
Served: 6 yr 11 mo
Elena Kagan 4/28/1960
Age: 56 yr 2 mo Barack Obama 8/7/2010
Served: 5 yr 11 mo
You have Scalia's vacant seat, and three other justices over 70, and one who WILL be 70 in two years.
I never said it was a probability, but a possibility. Even if that president only nominates 3 or 4, that's enough to secure the RW court for a very very long time.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)If Scalia's vacancy isn't filled and Ginsburg resigns it's likely that in the next term president will nominate 2
Generally speaking of actuarial likelihoods of any of the 70+ year old justices of dying in the next 4 years it's somewhat north of 18%. Thomas's likelihood of dying in the next 4 years is 12-ish% and the other justices in their 60's less than 6 percent.
In any case the strong concern should be about democratic control of the senate. That is always in play regardless of the party affiliation of a president. And few people really seem dedicated to getting that control.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I've been hearing people talk about how important for a President Hillary to have a cooperative Senate (and hopefully House) so we can finally get some progressive ideas passed into law. It's still the most important is the Presidency, second Congress, and third SCOTUS. I'm trying to push for all three!
NBachers
(17,120 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)The fact that we could take the Senate and Bernie, Sherrod, and Elizabeth would be elevated is an amazing prospect.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It goes without mention.
nolabear
(41,986 posts)Just a few ANGRY Hillary supporters here as well.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Guess I'm lucky to be a Sanders and Clinton supporter.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Butterflies
(1,240 posts)I'm glad Hillary picked Tim Kaine. He's a good guy.
oasis
(49,389 posts)definitely got some glowing national security bona fides going for him.
Setsuna1972
(332 posts)ThAt person would have been happy only if Bernie had been selected . Talk about bitter !
RonniePudding
(889 posts)They still don't get it.
Sigh.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)Sowing discord for ratings.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)In any case, Congratulations to the VP nominee!! Welcome for the ride, the next months!
We are ready and raring to go!!!
nolabear
(41,986 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)The whole Democratic Primary feud was fueled by MSM need for ratings. Need someone to go against Clinton and give us some drama, drama, drama. It worked so well, they want to keep it going. So many seem to lap it up.