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With Kaine as VP Trump has to win Florida and will still lose. (Original Post) onehandle Jul 2016 OP
sadly DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #1
Kasich is probably going to endorse Johnson. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #10
I wouldn't rule put Kasich sinking Trump from the shadows. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #13
Yep! Saw that. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #2
I think Kaine helps a lot in the mid-Atlantic Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #3
I would really love to hear why you think kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #5
Regional appeal Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #6
Really? kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #9
You need the labor vote in PA and OH. Kaine rateyes Jul 2016 #12
Hillary has my adopted state of Pennsylvania. onehandle Jul 2016 #7
VA is not key to this election kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #4
Virginia makes Drumpf's path that much more impossible. nt onehandle Jul 2016 #11
Right now according to Odds/Polls Trump has 40% chance of winning kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #14
and to help in Florida... Stellar Jul 2016 #8
Florida - Nelson says Kaine great choice Justice Jul 2016 #15

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
1. sadly
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

this is why Warren or Brown were my faves. Ohio is a loss thanks to Kasich. However, spilt milk I suppose, hopefully not spilled blood.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
10. Kasich is probably going to endorse Johnson.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016

He's certainly not endorsing Trump. Ohio is very much in play.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
3. I think Kaine helps a lot in the mid-Atlantic
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jul 2016

Virginia, obviously, but also North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and maybe Ohio. Nothing wrong with a boost in those states

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
6. Regional appeal
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jul 2016

Same way Obama's life in Illinois seemed to bleed over into Wisconsin, Indiana, Iowa, and Minnesota.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
9. Really?
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jul 2016

Most people couldn't tell you who their senators is, yet alone one from 2-3 states down.

Obama won WI/IA/Minn because they have sizable progressive voters. He won (or was it nearly) IN because of historical AA turnout.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
12. You need the labor vote in PA and OH. Kaine
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jul 2016

Does nothing to bring them in. He defends right to work laws for goodness sake! Terrible pick, imo.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
7. Hillary has my adopted state of Pennsylvania.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jul 2016

I see no path for the orange impotent non-billionaire reality show daughter fondler.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
4. VA is not key to this election
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jul 2016

Key is rust belt. MI/PA/OH that is Trump only path to victory. His only card is to play the NAFTA/TPP, you lost your jobs because politicians like Clinton/Kaine screwed you/your family with bad trade deals.

FL is the other must win for him. I could understand if she picked someone like Nelson to win Florida. Without FL it is nearly impossible for Trump to win.

What makes this pick bad from political point of view is it just reinforces all her negatives.

Establishment? Check
Insider? Check
TPP? Check
Wall-street? Check
FlipFlopper? Check
Lack of Charisma? Check

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
14. Right now according to Odds/Polls Trump has 40% chance of winning
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jul 2016

Far from impossible.

Again IMO VA is not going to make the difference because it has being trending blue, and I think Clinton has that in the bag. I would also her NC as that would not make the difference.

If Trump wins OH/MI/PA + FL + NH he can lose IA/NC/VA and still win. If Trump wins, that is the most likely scenario. I don't see a scenario in which Trump loses PA/MI and wins. Whatever appeal he has in those states, not VA/NC which is trending young + more diverse.

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