2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWith Kaine as VP Trump has to win Florida and will still lose.
Which is why Hillary and Tim are in Florida.
Per Steve Kornacki on Rachel just now.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)this is why Warren or Brown were my faves. Ohio is a loss thanks to Kasich. However, spilt milk I suppose, hopefully not spilled blood.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)He's certainly not endorsing Trump. Ohio is very much in play.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,947 posts)I'm hoping it is worse for Trump than what Steve showed.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Virginia, obviously, but also North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and maybe Ohio. Nothing wrong with a boost in those states
kcjohn1
(751 posts)He helps in places lika PA/OH.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Same way Obama's life in Illinois seemed to bleed over into Wisconsin, Indiana, Iowa, and Minnesota.
Most people couldn't tell you who their senators is, yet alone one from 2-3 states down.
Obama won WI/IA/Minn because they have sizable progressive voters. He won (or was it nearly) IN because of historical AA turnout.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Does nothing to bring them in. He defends right to work laws for goodness sake! Terrible pick, imo.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)I see no path for the orange impotent non-billionaire reality show daughter fondler.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Key is rust belt. MI/PA/OH that is Trump only path to victory. His only card is to play the NAFTA/TPP, you lost your jobs because politicians like Clinton/Kaine screwed you/your family with bad trade deals.
FL is the other must win for him. I could understand if she picked someone like Nelson to win Florida. Without FL it is nearly impossible for Trump to win.
What makes this pick bad from political point of view is it just reinforces all her negatives.
Establishment? Check
Insider? Check
TPP? Check
Wall-street? Check
FlipFlopper? Check
Lack of Charisma? Check
onehandle
(51,122 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)Far from impossible.
Again IMO VA is not going to make the difference because it has being trending blue, and I think Clinton has that in the bag. I would also her NC as that would not make the difference.
If Trump wins OH/MI/PA + FL + NH he can lose IA/NC/VA and still win. If Trump wins, that is the most likely scenario. I don't see a scenario in which Trump loses PA/MI and wins. Whatever appeal he has in those states, not VA/NC which is trending young + more diverse.