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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:18 AM Jul 2016

NYT: Tim Kaine is an "old-fashioned liberal, dyed in the wool."



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/tim-kaine-history.html?action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

But his calm, even temperament — when angry, he is apt to say he is “steamed” — leads to misguided assumptions about his core beliefs. At heart, Mr. Kaine is an old-fashioned liberal, dyed in the wool.

Driven by Jesuit ideals, he represented death row inmates and victims of housing discrimination in Richmond, winning a $100.5 million verdict in a redlining case against Nationwide Insurance (it was overturned on appeal, and his team negotiated a $17.5 million settlement). He was so touched by his clients that Rhonda Harmon, a lawyer who worked with him on the housing case, said she once found him poring over papers at his desk “with tears in his eyes.”

He gets an F rating from the National Rifle Association, but a perfect score from Planned Parenthood, despite his personal opposition to abortion, which he says is a matter of his Roman Catholic faith.

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“I don’t want to say anything bad about him, because he’s a very nice guy, but I don’t want to say anything good about him because I’m a Republican,” said Speaker William J. Howell of the Virginia House of Delegates.

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Please note: though the article says he has a "personal opposition to abortion," the reason he gets a perfect score from Planned Parenthood is because he supports a woman's right to make the decision without interference from the government, and he fully supports Roe v. Wade.
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lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
5. As someone who heard about the Berrigan brothers
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jul 2016

from my parents when growing up, and who has read about them and admire them in my adulthood, that's about the highest compliment one can give.

Thanks for your post NBachers. Have a wonderful weekend.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
6. If Cecile Richards gives him her blessing, then that's all I need to hear.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:05 AM
Jul 2016

It's always a colossal concern for me - when I hear someone is not pro-choice. But as long as he (and it's often a man) keeps his personal opinions to himself and doesn't try to shove them into lawmaking or policy-making, I can live with it. A politician can have his or her own personal views about it, but dammit - stay OUT of my bedroom AND my doctor's office!!!

Plus points for his Spanish fluency, AND his exposure to the Jesuit mindset. Two of the men in public whom I admire most have that: my governor, Jerry Brown; and Pope Francis. The Jesuits are all about thinkers, study, education, learning, wisdom, and compassion.

Also - his "F" grade from the NRA speaks loudly in his favor to me.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. In my extended family
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:23 AM
Jul 2016

I can quickly think of four different Jesuit universities relatives have attended, and I'm probably forgetting someone.

My most recent contact was attending a graduation where the speaker was Mark Shriver, a Kennedy cousin. His career is in social services and his speech was one of the most inspiring I have heard over the years.

A nun told me years ago that if anyone could save the Church, it would be the Jesuits. Let's hope that the Jesuits are now plotting how to bring Trump down.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
12. Brains over brawn - BRAINS win, EVERY time.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

But then again, I like nerds. During the late 60s when the first "Star Trek" series was on, with Team Kirk versus Team Spock? I was FIRMLY with Team Spock (lol)! I even married a nerd!

calimary

(81,322 posts)
14. And as to the Jesuits, I had a teacher who had been a Jesuit seminarian
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

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before he realized he just couldn't give up girls, that is. But he'd graduated from the local Jesuit high school, and the Jesuit university, and taught comparative religions at the high school level. He's the one who taught that you read the Bible, Old Testament in particular, and keep two words in mind: "as if." That you explained the miracle stories, the parables, and the subjective accounts based on the likely authors and translators, and the interpretations and understanding that governed it all.

The Jesuits, as a religious collective, are about as staggeringly polar-opposite as it's imaginable to conceive, from the evangelicals. The Jesuits are about facts, reality, making sense of that reality, and keeping an open mind. "All Things Considered" would not just be the name of a radio program. Facts don't spook the Jesuits. Reality doesn't scare the Jesuits. They don't scare easily. They lead with their BRAINS. With logic. With reason.

The Jesuits don't do bullshit. I found myself thinking - if Donald Trump had been enrolled in a Jesuit school, he probably wouldn't have lasted a week. Either he'd drop out, or the principal would recommend that his parents find him a school that was a better fit for him. But then again, I thought about it and felt kinda sad that he DIDN'T go to a Jesuit school. Maybe they could have straightened him out a little.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
8. yet as Governor he executed eleven death row inmates...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jul 2016

all the while claiming opposition to the death penalty. I believe that is called lacking the courage of your convictions.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. No, it's called carrying out your duties.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 05:26 AM
Jul 2016

Just where would this country be if death penalty opponents REFUSED to run for governor?

Is it okay if they run for state attorney general instead, or must those important positions also be ceded to the Ted Cruzes of this world?

Can they run for legislative positions if that means they'll be part of a caucus that supports the death penalty? Wouldn't think "courage of convictions" would allow that, so whole legislatures would have to be ceded to death penalty proponents.

How about judgeships? Judges, like governors, are required to apply the law. Maybe the virtuous ones should just stick to traffic court?

Btw, the entire time Kaine was Governor of Virginia he was blocked by a Republican-controlled legislature. Strongly punitive conservatives are the reason we still have the death penalty in the U.S., and Kaine's opportunity for getting rid of it was exactly 0.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
13. It's called "Public SERVICE." You win an election? That makes you a public SERVANT.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

I think the GOP forgets that. Ivanka Trump embodies that attitude, btw. It's only about making money. When I was fresh from listening to her speech - and, full disclosure, I was pretty impressed with her - but then later it was revealed that she tweeted - "Shop Ivana's look from the Republican Convention!" And the website for her dress and her shoes and her accessories that she designed...

Sigh...

J.A.M. Just Another Mercenary

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
15. Many Governors come and go from office in many states without presiding over a single execution
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jul 2016

Many all the while claiming to be ardent supporters of the death penalty. Kaine executed eleven men and spared only one all the while making a martyr of himself over it. It's tacky and cynical.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Mother Jones: "No One's Idea of a Liberal Hero, But Kaine Is Natural Fit for Clinton"
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jul 2016
Behind the Virginia senator's moderate reputation is a history of quiet progressive activism.

... Yet the prospect of Kaine on the ticket has been met with hostility by some on the party's left wing, many of whom are pining for Warren. Supporters of Bernie Sanders have slammed Kaine for lacking "progressive backbone." Others, including Kaine himself, have branded him as "boring."

The latter label helps explain the apparent disconnect between Kaine's standing as a former progressive crusader and his current status as a target for the left. A reserved, polite Midwesterner, Kaine isn't temperamentally suited to satisfy liberals who want to see Donald Trump torn apart and his fellow billionaires demonized. Instead, Kaine is a devout Catholic driven by the gospel of social justice and less concerned with the social issues that have become political wedges. Over the course of his career, he has dedicated himself to incremental progress in a red-turned-purple state.

In this way, Kaine bears a political resemblance to the candidate he might join on the Democratic ticket, sharing a political pragmatism focused on inching policy along and eschewing grand gestures. To those who accuse him of insufficient progressivism, he might respond that he is, as Clinton has called herself, "a progressive who gets things done."
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