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Go ahead and call me crazy, but this could be the map we see on Election Night (Original Post) RandySF Jul 2016 OP
Certainly a possible scenario. BainsBane Jul 2016 #1
Yes it is RonniePudding Jul 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2016 #6
But I think we win OH and MI. Now you can call me crazy. nt glennward Jul 2016 #18
But not Kansas or Nebraska BainsBane Jul 2016 #20
I agree with all of those. Aristus Jul 2016 #26
OK, you're crazy. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #2
Hello from Winthrop, Maine. MarianJack Jul 2016 #3
This Mainiac concurs! Old and In the Way Jul 2016 #7
Your "worst case" is mathematically impossible. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #16
I stand corrected. Old and In the Way Jul 2016 #46
yeah, no way Maine is going to be red eShirl Jul 2016 #42
Aloha from Blue Hawaii! Cha Jul 2016 #5
Bringing my longboard so I can pick up passengers!!! NCTraveler Jul 2016 #24
Aloha, NCTraveler~ Cha Jul 2016 #28
OK, you're nutty as fruitcake... MrScorpio Jul 2016 #8
Based on his gut feeling from talking to so many people there Michael Moore Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2016 #35
Wishful thinking... Chicago1980 Jul 2016 #9
There is a chance for Utah to go blue. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #36
Do we really believe that HRC will not carry Arkansas??? Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #10
Larry Sabato's Berlin Expat Jul 2016 #11
Arizona is quite a long shot. I don't think we have gone Blue since Clinton in 96. kairos12 Jul 2016 #12
We could go blue if guns are not a major campaign issue LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #43
Kansas, you're killing me. B Calm Jul 2016 #13
I wouldn't be surprised to see BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #14
With a strong GOTV effort in Ohio JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #15
I think Ohio will go blue as well Maeve Jul 2016 #22
a blue KS and NE - I stopped looking after seeing that DrDan Jul 2016 #17
Yep Cosmocat Jul 2016 #21
Randy, Kansas alone proves this is 100% incorrect. Nt Logical Jul 2016 #19
You're Crazy! Michigan will not go for Trump! John Poet Jul 2016 #23
I live in Kansas citood Jul 2016 #25
Way too much blue on that map GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #27
I'm hearing Ohio is souring on Trump after the shitstorm.... Historic NY Jul 2016 #29
If people were called crazy because of their political opinions ... rock Jul 2016 #30
Ohio and Michigan will be blue, maybe Texas and Missouri too. See Goldwater 1964. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #31
He's not going to win Maine Android3.14 Jul 2016 #32
A few issues.. DCBob Jul 2016 #33
I hope so. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #40
Kansas? LMAO Utah? Another LMAO Nebraska? Another LMAO kwolf68 Jul 2016 #34
Utah is a long shot blue possibility this year. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #38
A way to win without Ohio treestar Jul 2016 #37
I do not see Ohio going red. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #39
I would also say Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #41
Sorry but no way. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #44
Don't count Indiana out AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #45
 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
4. Yes it is
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:02 AM
Jul 2016

Even more so if you subtract KS, Utah, Nebraska and maybe Arizona and add NH, Maine, Ohio and Michigan.

Response to RonniePudding (Reply #4)

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
3. Hello from Winthrop, Maine.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:47 AM
Jul 2016

Maine will NOT vote for Donald Rump, and neither will New Hampshire!

I wouldn't be too sure about Georgia, West Virginia or Missouri, either!

PEACE!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
16. Your "worst case" is mathematically impossible.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:11 AM
Jul 2016

A candidate who wins in each CD must necessarily have the statewide win, for a 4-0 sweep.

If two candidates each win one CD, then the statewide win (and a 3-1 edge in electoral votes) goes to the one with the larger winning margin.

In the wildly unlikely event of a significant third party with enough statewide support to finish second in each CD but first overall, there could be a 2-1-1 split, but I can't see any way to get to 2-2.

Cha

(297,306 posts)
5. Aloha from Blue Hawaii!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:02 AM
Jul 2016

Pat Fuller ?@bannerite
If you are sick and tired of GOP obstruction and grandstanding, then it's time to ride the wave!
8:44 AM - 6 Jul 2016
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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
35. Based on his gut feeling from talking to so many people there Michael Moore
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

thinks Trump will win Michigan. Boooooo

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
36. There is a chance for Utah to go blue.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jul 2016

Utah is a strong Romney state and Romney is anti-Trump, so enough Utah Republicans could go for Johnson and throw the state to Hillary.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
12. Arizona is quite a long shot. I don't think we have gone Blue since Clinton in 96.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:12 AM
Jul 2016

I also think Florida will be really tough. I doubt think North Carolina goes Blue either. On the other hand Ohio might be in play. Drumpt's ego is such that he might put alot of resources into California and waste his time.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
43. We could go blue if guns are not a major campaign issue
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

There's a lot of dislike for Trump, which could translate into Republican apathy; combine that with crossover voting by moderate Republican women, and we could pull it off. But the apathy would disappear in a strong anti-gun campaign.

I don't think we need AZ to win the presidency, but I'd really like to see things shift left here.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
14. I wouldn't be surprised to see
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:39 AM
Jul 2016

MT go blue this time around, especially if Hillary campaigns there. That may be true for WY as well because the demographics and voting mentalities are similar, except that WY has a smaller percentage of Native Americans in its population.

I know that there aren't that many electoral votes in either state, but it's the principle and if Clinton-Kaine run a 50-state campaign as they say they will, we may be able to knock off MT's Rep Zinke (a dolt). Denise Juneau is running a good campaign against him and the Native American vote (the largest minority at just under 7%) will be out in full force to support her (in MT, they're "Blue" voters, as a rule!). Hopefully, Bullock also retains the gubernatorial seat there.

Trump-Pence epitomize too much hate and bad behavior for most Montanans I know (of both parties) and women especially are turned off by that ticket. Many of those who might have voted GOP this time around will vote for Gary Johnson (there are still RON Paul signs standing in some areas of the state, LOL). Others will either not vote or - very quietly and without fanfare - support the Dem ticket. There will be the stalwart RW nutcases who will support Trump-Pence no matter what, but ....

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
15. With a strong GOTV effort in Ohio
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 06:43 AM
Jul 2016

Ohio will be blue. We need numbers/volume - and since Trump is targeting Kasich now . . . Kasich has nothing to lose by ensuring Trump doesn't win by shenanigans. Add in that I strongly suspect Kasich runs in 2020 with the slogan - I Told You So.

There is an adult in Ohio - whether we agree with him politically or not. And he doesn't have to come out for Clinton or bash Trump.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
22. I think Ohio will go blue as well
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jul 2016

With a strong showing for the Libertarians (enough to drain the air out of the Rs)

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
23. You're Crazy! Michigan will not go for Trump!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

if she does, I'll disown her!

Swap Michigan for Utah, Kansas and Nebraska, and the result is almost the same.

citood

(550 posts)
25. I live in Kansas
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

So far, I haven't seen or heard any political ads for this race...this is because neither side believes it is in playm

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
27. Way too much blue on that map
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jul 2016

Especially in the plains states. But too much red in the heart of the Midwest. I think Hillary takes Ohio. And she should take Michigan.

rock

(13,218 posts)
30. If people were called crazy because of their political opinions ...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

Oh, well, you see my point. Besides, I guessing the map is going to be a whole lot bluer, A whole lot bluer!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
31. Ohio and Michigan will be blue, maybe Texas and Missouri too. See Goldwater 1964.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016


Just switch Arizona blue, and this is what you can expect if we get our voter behind overthrowing the Republican Congress, Trump wins the old racist south only.
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
32. He's not going to win Maine
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jul 2016

The state is Clinton's to lose.

LePage, winning both terms as governor by splitting the vote with a shady third party opponent, has become one of the most vilified governors in the state's history, and Maine has voted Democratic in the last six elections, with Barack Obama winning by 15 percent over Mitt Romney in 2012.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
33. A few issues..
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jul 2016

Kansas and Nebraska are not going blue and Maine and Michigan are not going red.

However the end result is right. Its going to be a blowout win for Hillary Clinton.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
40. I hope so.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

I don't want to underestimate Trump but winning a primary is different than winning a general election.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
34. Kansas? LMAO Utah? Another LMAO Nebraska? Another LMAO
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jul 2016

I don't believe she'll win North Carolina either, but think she does win Ohio. Even your map minus the 3 states I mention she's still +300.

Your map indicates what SHOULD happen given the opponent, but Hillary is not going to win those states.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
38. Utah is a long shot blue possibility this year.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jul 2016

Romney is anti-Trump and Utah was the strongest Romney state in the country. That combination could reslt in enough Utah Republicans voting for Gary Johnson to throw the state into Hillary's column.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
39. I do not see Ohio going red.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

Obama won twice...and today's steel need trade with China and trade agreements.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
44. Sorry but no way.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jul 2016

If Hillary has lost Michigan, she's lost PA and FL and NC, and probably VA. The white working class in Michigan leans Dem, and there are plenty of POC there too. It goes without saying there's no way she's winning AZ/UT in an election she's losing Michigan.

I think Hillary's ceiling is 400 electoral votes if the DNC runs a crash operation in Texas and spurs record Hispanic turnout.

AwakeAtLast

(14,130 posts)
45. Don't count Indiana out
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016

Even Republicans aren't happy with Pence, and many of them LOATHE Trump. It's possible!

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