2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTim Kaine is the most liberal VP nominee since Walter Mondale
Compare his record/positions to previous nominees:
2008--Joe Biden (bankruptcy bill, Iraq war)
2004--John Edwards ('right to work', Iraq war, DLC poster boy)
2000-Joe Lieberman (Joe Lieberman)
1992--Al Gore (charter member of the DLC, very conservative in 1988 presidential run)
1988--Lloyd Bentsen (big fan of tax cuts, deregulation, business, public school prayer)
1984--Geraldine Ferraro (supported constitutional amendment banning mandatory school busing)
He has some ugly blemishes on his record from his time as governor of Virginia. But as a Senator he's been well to the left of any of the other VP nominees.
One can argue this says more about the Democratic party than about Kaine, but that's another discussion entirely. The nominee never picks someone to their left when running, the last person to do so was Jimmy Carter.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)First, Tim Kaine is probably the most liberal southern senator, and I for one applaud the Dems trying to continue converting the south, home to some of the most marginalized and disenfranchised voters in America. We must not give up on them. In order to grow the party, we must welcome them.
Second, "progressives" this primary season have trashed Hillary, threw money at her, called her the c-word, the w-word, threatened to not vote for her, disrupted her, bullied her, and dragged her through the mud. Sorry, but bully tactics arent how you make inroads and build coalitions. Take this as a learning lesson. Good for Hillz on picking a safe, competent choice. The haters werent voting for her no matter who she picked. She couldve picked Bernie Sanders as her VP and "progressives" wouldve complained she is trying to neutralize Bernie in the senate. Im so over the regressive left and their constant state of gloom. Time to change the narrative. My philosophy is anchored by optimism. Cynicism is for the bitter.
Eta: "progressives" is in quotes because actual progressives are voting for Hillz. The rest are just haters, disruptors, and agent provocateurs who were never going to vote for her anyway.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Fabulous!
StraightRazor
(260 posts)that's sure saying a lot.
I'm a progressive who preferred Bernie but will vote for Hillary and planned to if she won the primary - not a hater, disruptor or an agent provocateur. Just don't love 'Hillz'.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Actual progressives realize progress will be made under Hillary. "Progressives" believe in tearing it all down with vindictiveness, which is regressive.
andym
(5,444 posts)Kaine is considered a left liberal as is Biden. But Kaine is considered a populist leading liberal, while Biden is considered a hard core liberal, which is more liberal on their scale. Biden scores 80% liberal on social issues, while Kaine scores only 70%. Moreover, Biden scores only 10% conservative on economic issues, while Kaine scores 20% conservative.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm
Their views on the issues are explained in great detail, as is the scoring methodology.
Here is Kaine's chart:
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)At least as of 2008.
He's probably more liberal now than he was back then.
andym
(5,444 posts)Kaine has no official record on IWR, Biden regretted it as of 2006 according to ontheissues
Regrets his war vote because Bush misused war authority. (Apr 2007)
Vote for war allowed war only after all else failed. (Apr 2007)
Introduced legislation barring US Military bases in Iraq. (Apr 2007)
Vote for Iraq War was mistake; assumed Bush competence. (Feb 2007)
Voted for Iraq war in 2002, but now a war critic. (Nov 2006)
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
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ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)So those who signed the letter to Cordray asked that a proposed CFPB rule implement stronger regulations for these lending institutions, such as requiring them to consider the borrowers ability to pay and their loan history before making the loans. They also asked the CFPB to reconsider an exemption to the six-loan per year policy, further limiting the amount of loans borrowers can make in one year to less than the current six.
After reading the letter, I think its a good idea and agree with those who signed on. Unfortunately, Tim Kaine was not one of them. I think he should have been. I would be curious about why he didnt. I will get back to that point in a minute.
But the other example of being anti-regulation was an entirely different issue. That involved a request to the CFPB to tailor its rules to community banks and credit unions and not to hold them to the same standards as large multinational investment banks, such as Goldman Sachs. This issue very specifically involves the so-called stress tests to make sure that large investment banks have enough liquidity to survive a banking crisis like the one that caused the economic meltdown in 2008. The letter writers pointed out that community banks and credit unions had nothing to do with that economic crisis or the practices that caused it. In fact, most of these banks play a unique role in their communities, serving the needs of small businesses and individual borrowers. They are neither national nor global in scope. They are regional and usually involved in their communities
http://bluevirginia.us/2016/07/tim-kaine-oppose-bank-regulation-huffpost-fail-get-whole-story
The "right to work" statement was in response to this,
http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/20/tim-kaine-the-affable-idealogue
He has expressed reservations about the TPP, as does Clinton.