2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders has created a Frankenstein that he no longer control
I just saw Sanders addressing his supporters and received cheers all around when reviewing his stump speech, but when he tried to tack to attacking Trump and promoting the support of Hillary, the boos drowned out any cheers. To me he seemed surprised by the response. I think he will now have to enjoy life under the bus, he is certainly not driving any more.
The far left radicals seem determined to go their own way, destroy the convention, and ensure that the rest of us spend the next four years under Donald Trump.
Trump's campaign director is on CNN right now saying that the Sanders people are right to be pissed off. He is gleeful, literally gleeful that his will not be the only convention distroyed by decent.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Clinton/Kaine
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)If Sanders would spend less time pushing his REVOLUTION and more time explaining to his people the practicality of politics, he would be a better spokesperson.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He has consistently emphasized that "politics is not always sexy" and requires hard work and also requires electing candidates at all levels.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Grandstanding and slogans.
Works great on kids. Adults in the room, or serious people who expect real policy, not so much.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)babylonsister
(171,092 posts)what makes you think Bernie supporters can't and/or won't think for themselves?
I think all Bernie created was the idea of possibilities to make this country better.
There are obviously people out there who don't like Hillary and that could have nothing at all to do with Bernie.
And I don't see the convention being destroyed; it hasn't even technically started yet.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)babylonsister
(171,092 posts)their opinions, as Dems, at a Dem convention. Doesn't have to be so nefarious.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems weird for them to want to take part in the Democratic National Convention if that is their view.
babylonsister
(171,092 posts)understand or support that reasoning at all. Baffling to me.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)But whether zealots can understand practical politics, or whether they really want to, is a totally different subject. If they don't see that their current mood can destroy the convention, they are not very bright politically.
Purity allows no contamination.
babylonsister
(171,092 posts)calling everyone who supported Bernie a zealot?
I supported him and I am no zealot, so your argument doesn't hold water with me.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)when he said "Vote for Hillary" zealots. In my mind a zealot is someone who is so blinded by their cause they have lost their common sense.
The vast majority of Sanders supporters have already switched over to Hillary.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)It's not a surprise what is now transpiring. He has created the possibility of a disastrous convention and a nightmare election. Thanks Bernie, all your emails have been re-routed to my spam folder.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)You and I know that the DNC has been trying to put their fingers on the scale for a long time so let's not pretend this is something new.
When someone's anger and frustration causes them to have a worse result than if they had if they were thinking clearly, we generally are usually concerned about such a person's though processes. Or as we in the South would more charitably phrase it, "Well bless his little heart".
BeyondGeography
(39,380 posts)Surprise, surprise.
coco77
(1,327 posts)and will not just follow along because Bernie tells them. He didn't create them you think for yourself,don't you? No one tells me who to vote for. Hillary or Bernie.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Enough of the radical INSANITY.
coco77
(1,327 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)We are talking about people who ought to have some political sense.
coco77
(1,327 posts)the delegates at the REpublicon convention. They are delegates and have no idea of what goes on in the government. Dems are more informed and can tell u why or why not they believe ewhat they believe and can back it up with some facts..
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Bernie wants to stop it.
Noam Chomsky lays it out quite well what the Frankenstein is.
http://123movies.to/film/requiem-for-the-american-dream-11956/watching.html
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Now that's telling.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And they call themselves "progressives"???
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)But we got attacked for pointing out the obvious.
So disappointed. I hope he is done running for any office.
timlot
(456 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Instead, they should be persuaded not to vote against their own interests -- that the Clinton/Kaine ticket is the best way to begin the change they seek.
However, if they still maintain that a Trump presidency is OK with them, then I think we have to walk away knowing we did the best we could and try to go after Republicans that can't bring themselves to vote for Trump.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Its not a winning argument though.
RDANGELO
(3,435 posts)This is the result of a Democratic Party that has failed to address the rigged economy.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)onecaliberal
(32,898 posts)andym
(5,445 posts)The fight for justice and equality, especially against the monied special interests. That's a fire that he can't put out,and doesn't want to put out. But what he needs to do is explain how seriously a demagogue like trump will destroy his movement, by poisoning the well of America. These delegates have so demonized Clinton, that they obviously can not see this, though Bernie clearly does.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)andym
(5,445 posts)Trump will ruin America in a way that may lose a generation and damage progressivism in a way that no one else could by stirring up the destructive force of hatred and stealing some of the Left's populist appeal. Bernie wants his movement to succeed, it can't if Trump becomes President. Some delegates and other die hard Bernie supporters are not seeing this-- hopefully they will before it is too late.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I just saw a dimmer bulb with a Sanders button at the convention say that Trump couldn't do anything that Hillary has not already done. Tend to your own.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I'm watching some of these protesters getting interviewed
Where the FUCK are their brains???
"Anything to keep Hillary from getting elected"
"She's already done what Trump might do"
What in hell are they drinking???
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)redStateBlueHeart
(265 posts)All reason and logic out the window. These folks have gone insane from anger - it's quite frightening.
Satch59
(1,353 posts)Being interviewed...some would vote for Trump, some for Stein...one guy said he still thinks Bernie can be nominated... Delusional...
If they boo Michelle Obama...or other speakers...childish...
Bernie can put a stop to it...he wasn't that forceful in his speech to his delegates...got them all riled up about his agenda and then yelled Hillary and they went hate crowd...ugh!!!!
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)....Sanders learned something. If his speech before the convention is mostly about his REVOLUTION as the speech to his delegates was, he will in trouble and we are in trouble. Hopefully he is smart enough to learn from this incident.
It is time to find out if Sanders is more interesting in continuing his revolution or beating Trump.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and there is a lot of time between now and the election.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)the nihilist forces he has cynically unleashed.
He seems ineffectual, inept and weak while his "followers" make him look like an ass.
Standing there with his mouth hanging open, as they boo both the Dem Ticket and himself.