we should embrace them. I think the leadership should address them. I think HILLARY should address them. I think they should say, "No matter who you vote for, I want to think you for your passion." or something. As long as the MSM can frame this as dissent and that it HURTS Hillary, it is no bueno. If she treats it as our messy, vibrant democratic process in action, it doesn't seem as negative.

There has been no aspect of this convention that didn't acknowledge it. Bernie himself acknowledged it, and I am sure Hillary will address Bernie's supporters.

92% of them are adult people, some of whom are very disappointed but who understand how a Democracy works. They understand that NO ONE gets their perfect candidate in a Democracy.

Bernie lost months ago. Yes, we need to acknowledge his followers as we have been doing at every step in this convention.

BUT in no way do we need to pander to tantrums. You handle them just as you handle them when three year olds do them: ignore.

That was confirmed Friday.

It really didn't matter.

ongoing frustration, meaning they'll have to get over after. We just need to accept their need to emote. And renie408, everyone is and has been talking to them, including Bernie and Hillary, including in the very way you suggest, and no one has gotten through to these holdouts.

So, patience and acceptance. But they are very tiresome. Bernie people may hate that the media are showcasing some of the most misinformed, uninformed and foolish, but they'll never run out of new victims if the friends and families of the old ones succeed in begging them not to do any more interviews.

At this stage in the game they have been acknowledged and we are perfectally willing to leave them alone to come to grips with losing. The trouble is some of these fans are assholes who will not be happy unless Sanders is the nominee and they don't want to be ignored or left alone they want tocause as much harm as possible.. For Gods sake, they walkied out and put tape over their mouth. The purpose of the convention is to get our nominee started if they want to protest do it on their own dime.

after the New York primary.

... should have come as NO SURPRISE to them. They KNEW it was coming.

Not some of them. Denial is a very powerful force. I think some of them genuinely believed that Bernie might get nominated on a floor vote. Partly because they wanted it so much, and partly because I think some of them have never seen the inside of a civics classroom (seriously, people, READ UP on how our government works and some of this won't be such a shock!). But either way, I think this was their last chance, their last gasp, and they refused to give up until it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bernie was not gonna be nominated. His speech Monday night, with the images of the young Bernie delegates crying - it wasn't like crying because they worked so hard and fell short. Hell, I cried like that in '08 after the primaries. It was crying of the "You betrayed us!" variety. Social media plays a part in it. They get each other all riled up with conspiracy theories. I saw one that claimed that because Bernie had ENDORSED Hillary but not CONCEDED to her, that meant he was secretly holding on to his delegates and was going to try to stage a coup at the convention. I mean, really. Bernie has done EXACTLY what he said he was going to do all along. But when people want something enough, and dozens of other people are backing them up, you can fall into a sort of collective psychosis.

... back in the day when so many were so confident that Hillary would be indicted. It wasn't just "smack talk" intended to annoy and ruffle. They seemed to HONESTLY and TRULY believe that it was about to happen.

Their behavior is understandable. Their dreams have been shattered. Their world has come to an end. Someone left their cake out in the rain. Decades of movement building work dashed on the rocks of neoliberal (remember that?) jackboots on their necks. And on top of that the evil DWS bolted all the chairs to the floor. Proves she's really a republican.

The poor dears. And after they went to all those rallies! For nothing.

Hillary should personally hand out participation trophies.

But I hear you!

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

while others behave like destructive toddlers who can't have another cookie.

Fringe left "Sanders supporters" (a tiny minority of the many many decent and passionate people who gave their hearts in his cause and can accept that she won by 3.5 million votes and nothing was "rigged" to that extreme) have never been democrats, never intended to support the legitimate winner in this race if it wasn't Sanders, and still intend to disrupt and harm our best shot at stopping a madman.

It's in their own interest to get their shit together. People lose primaries every four years. Bernie Sanders has told them where he stands and why. At this point they do not represent him or his movement. They just want to break shit because they are entitled hippie whiners.

It helps Hillary to disown the damn far left. She's headed for the center of the last two days have been any indication. And rightly so.

Most Americans are repulsed by the radical left.

And to me, Bernie DIDN'T LOSE!! He was as stellar success! Why can't people see THAT??

did lose the primary.


And yes, Bernie and his was successful in getting many items included into the Dem platform.

And, there you have it.

This is what DU has become.

I'm talking about people who despise democrats and the Democratic Party. Anarchists, Marxists, and general disrupters. They wear "Free Mumia!" shirts and think vaccines are toxic and that America is the most evil nation in the world.

If you think DU should represent that fringe we disagree.

I've been a progressive anti-war liberal since I canvassed for Geoege McGovern. I've also known the campus far left all too well.

Those people are not on the side of average American workers. They're no better for us than the birthers are for the GOP.

The republicans let their radical fringe define their party. We ought to avoid that.


That radical left fringe was always made up of useful idiots for foreign and far right interests. I suspect Putin funds many of them now. Or the Koch brothers.

Hippies elected Richard Nixon. I was there. I was a hippie leftist kid once too. I grew up.

Working class people have left, folks say civil rights and that these people are racist and voting for trump.


So which is it? Is DU a centrist dem site that wants to help the working class or are they all racists and voting for trump?



Too many people here want to have their ice cream and eat it too. Or is the only goal ever to win elections and do nothing else.

That fact seems to escape people who pose the question as you just did. When we say "working class" many people picture a white man in a hard hat with a union card.

No. Picture a Haitian American home health care aide, a Vietnamese American woman in a chicken processing plant, or a white woman cleaning motel rooms. We can be strongly pro-working class without having to kiss racist and sexist ass.

Oh and Hillary Clinton won a substantial majority of working class votes.

That have been left behind. You can't use these people as a shield when telling off the far left and them slam them for Trumpmania.

This is not about you personally but this is why people hate politics. This is people laugh at those who are politically active and say nothing changes.


If it is all about winning elections then let's say so and drop any pretenses of caring about anything beyond that.

I think we are coming around.

But the Democratic Party cannot just be about wining elections, it's got to stand for something. And has to court all voters at all times.

Just not at the expense of solidarity with persons of color and women. They ARE the modern working class.

I am actually black and say this...but we can't use that as a shield to condemn Trump and then turn around and tell off the far left because we need to capture those moderate/republican votes.


If the party takes a stand, do so, but they can't talk from both sides of their mouth.

Can the radical left not be realistic? Or even consider the opinion they are a small minority who can't win offices by having enough voters vote for candidates of which they approve.

just chose Hillary Clinton as our candidate.

Did it months ago, actually

Sooo....why is it shocking to you that most Americans are repulsed by people who have extreme political or social views that they do not share??

They are Democrats, and whether you like it or not, are part of the party and the party's future, and Hillary needs them to win.

But hey - keep on bashing, have fun, be superior.

would never consider voting for Jill Stein when the option is Comrade Donald Trump.

Most are young people and if you remember being young, they have angst. I've had conversations with my daughter's friends about this (after one said they'd vote for Stein) - I basically had to give them a civics lesson and explain a lot but they got it and will vote for Hillary. It's NOT easy being young in this day and age and we have to bring them in instead of throwing them out. That's what I'm trying to do.

But not under the pretense that they hold us hostage. They don't.

If you want to come to the party and silently mourn/grieve, I'll hand you a tissue and give you a shoulder to cry on.

If you want to scream, shout, and ruin the event for everyone else, I'll show you the door.

Fox an cnn and msnbc to hoodwink America into just how "divided" dems are as we go into the fall election cycle..... Um, no, stop being petulant children and realize more of us voted for the other candidate, therefore she won. It happens every 4-8 years. End of story.

Bernie delegates. The media is scouring that convention hall looking for Bernie delegates who want to get in front of a camera and air their grievances. They want a horserace for ratings. They don't give a shit that they're hurting the Democrats and by extension the country and the world.

That they are being used for that very purpose

I'm just getting increasingly sick of the special snowflakes who want participation trophies here.

apologies to the losing side the day the convention begins. The fault for the excesses is not all on one side, this crap is in part the fruits of DWS's methods. It just is. The DNC officially apologized and the DNC needs to act as if they are really sorry and when you are in the wrong that means putting up with the reactions to what you did, what you have now apologized for. 'Damn it, I said sorry now stop your weeping or I'll hit you again'. Not wise tactics. It's what bullies do. Biden, he's not a bully. Biden has also lost a few runs of his own...

Any that are left are the hard core that have little experience in the reality about politics.

The fact that only about a couple of dozen walked out last nite out of nearly 1,900 indicates that nearly all of them see the picture. They have had time to go through the stages of loss and if they get past it by now indicates it is less likely.

For voting trump and say they left because of civil rights. But now we need to win these voters back? I've been saying that for months, without disrespecting Bernie voters at that.


I saw someone say Americans are repulsed by the far left. Yet so many of DU were slamming these people for going to The Donald.



Is this a party of change or just a party that wins elections do to inept opposition? The latter very telling about all of us, frankly.

Persons of color, women, educated professionals, immigrants... You know, REAL Americans!

The GOP strategy is to create a false equivalence between "white" and "real."

We can give that no quarter.

And throw the BernieBros out, while at the same time nailing Trump voters for racism.


Don't just be about winning elections.

and coddled. A large portion of the first 2 days of the convention was dedicated to making sure they were heard. We've had speaker after speaker specifically point them out. And I think most of them have been very happy with that. In fact, most of them, almost all of them, put down their Bernie signs and picked up an "I'm with Her" sign the second Bernie moved that Hillary be nominated.

Those that stormed out of the convention hall, that interrupted several speakers, including Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, and Sanders himself with boos, are not Sanders' supporters. He's not responsible for them.

While some of his supporters are certainly still upset, and that is justifiable, we definitely need to separate the vast majority of his supporters from the handful trying to cause a raucous at the convention. Most of his supporters had the dignity and class to either support Hillary or not attend the convention where she was going to be nominated. The ones that showed up just to try and disrupt the event were going to do that anyway. And we shouldn't label them Bernie supporters.

awesome when Sanders and Vermont, made the final 'roll call' announcement official.

Such a difference in contrast between conventions. Republicans didn't even allow their own delegates a roll call. That's what a kick in the ass and ignored by ones own party looks like.

...except those who have lived through previous elections and recall that many voters don't make up their minds until Election Day.

People come along at their own pace or not at all. With Sanders himself on the case, the holdouts will ultimately be few--and perhaps were never going to get on board at all. There are a lot more votes out there for us to win.

" ... Bernie supporters worked hard, let them be frustrated for a little while longer"

Because letting anyone be frustrated is a sure fire path towards unity