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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:05 PM Jul 2016

Help a Bernie Supporter out

So, these past 2 weeks have been an emotional roller coaster for me.

I've settled now and am firmly feeling that Hillary has my vote in November. Trump is shit.

But I have a problem, it's an honest one and I hope you can help me.

For the past year I've learned and known many things that are wrong with Hillary.

But I want to know the good things she's done that I have been purposefully casting aside as "not enough".

I want to know the accomplishments and beneficial things she has done so that when I cast my vote for her in November, I can feel a little bit better about doing so.

Please don't hate me for being honest.

Thank you.

Solidarity.

ETA: NO I didn't see the convention and haven't watched TV in over 6 years lol.

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Help a Bernie Supporter out (Original Post) retrowire Jul 2016 OP
well, they were certainly listed by speakers at the convention, but here is a partial llist niyad Jul 2016 #1
That was pretty generous of you to provide all that info. I don't think I could have been as politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #50
That's what the convention has been about BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #2
If nothing you've heard before is good enough, accept that bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #3
i dont have tv and missed the convention. nt retrowire Jul 2016 #15
C-span has most of the speeches online for streaming emulatorloo Jul 2016 #20
I watched mostly via Facebook Live or the Youtube live stream bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #37
That is one of the very best political articles I have ever read, and I have been tblue37 Jul 2016 #45
The entire coverage gavel-to-gavel has been streamed live on the kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #46
Here's today's live coverage kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #47
Watch the DNC Convention -- listen to the speakers obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #4
Did you watch the convention? SticksnStones Jul 2016 #5
no tv for me retrowire Jul 2016 #18
Transcript of Bill Clinton's speech SticksnStones Jul 2016 #32
CSPAN is online -- watch the speeches obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #57
Don't want to hate here, and I'm glad to hear you're voting with us for Hil... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #6
The last 3 nights have been filled with those very things you want. liberal N proud Jul 2016 #7
Almost every speaker at this convention has been laying out MineralMan Jul 2016 #8
My Bernie supporting son said watching the convention ... JoePhilly Jul 2016 #9
Nice BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #14
Awesome, Joe! Cha Jul 2016 #26
This big fam of Bernie is beyond impressed with her resume, so now I'm a Hillary Supporter, too Siwsan Jul 2016 #10
It is so easy to fall for sound bite character assassination... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #33
Hillary deserves credit for being an early & strong voice for healthcare reform. Hopefully a firm think Jul 2016 #11
She's solidly committed to public option. Speakers have highlighted that emulatorloo Jul 2016 #21
You have plenty of opportunities to learn about Hillary's work. yardwork Jul 2016 #12
+1 for this. Sage advice. (nt) apnu Jul 2016 #38
watch Bill's speech from night 2 for starters. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #13
okay i dont do youtube retrowire Jul 2016 #16
con mucho gusto: geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
merci beaucoup! retrowire Jul 2016 #22
Here's a link to the transcript of Obama's speech last night radical noodle Jul 2016 #29
I am also an avid reader... quickesst Jul 2016 #36
And here's the transcript of the POTUS speech last night apnu Jul 2016 #42
I posted this awhile ago Onlooker Jul 2016 #17
She has a lovely daughter Lunabell Jul 2016 #23
she's been lgbt friendly since she was first lady of AK La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #25
Marriage is pretty important to THIS lesbian. Lunabell Jul 2016 #27
given that i am actually married to another woman and have been since 2012, its not a small issue to La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #28
And her primary opponent came over in 2009. All the candidates held back bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #40
ok. here is a list that doesn't involve you watching youtube or tv La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #24
thank you. nt retrowire Jul 2016 #41
I hear you about tv, but you do have an internet-connected computer. Read on, though... Hekate Jul 2016 #30
If you are on your computer, you can watch the convention on cspan leftofcool Jul 2016 #31
Simple: Read this MichiganVote Jul 2016 #34
Learn anything yet? BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #35
just finished Bills speech retrowire Jul 2016 #39
The party has room for Tulsi Gabbard bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #43
Good to hear BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #48
You can read a transcript of Bill's speech online. He details her work on behalf of the poor, tblue37 Jul 2016 #44
Google Hillary Clinton and click the wiki link... Phentex Jul 2016 #49
Go online and find the transcript for Bills speech onecaliberal Jul 2016 #51
I'm sorry but no LostinRed Jul 2016 #52
CHIP, promoting pay equality & women's rights = human rights, and bringing China to the table on Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #53
If I may... Adrahil Jul 2016 #54
Read my Journal... BooScout Jul 2016 #55
Youtube Bill Clinton's speech from the other night. It will drop your jaw. The Second Stone Jul 2016 #56

niyad

(113,336 posts)
1. well, they were certainly listed by speakers at the convention, but here is a partial llist
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

(in addition to what president obama mentioned last night)


Here’s A List Of Hillary Clinton’s Accomplishments, So Quit Saying She Doesn’t Have Any
By Ryan Denson on April 13, 2015 1:52 am ·

There are many, many people who seem to think Hillary Clinton hasn’t accomplished anything. Apparently, being a First Lady, a Senator, as well as Secretary of State doesn’t count as accomplishments to her critics. But here is a very simple summary that encompasses Hillary Clinton and what she has accomplished throughout her life — Courtesy of a friend:

“First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College. Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School. Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic. Former civil litigation attorney. Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law. Former First Lady of Arkansas. Former First Lady of the United States, and the first FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree. First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate. Elected by the… State of New York to serve two terms in the United States Senate. Former US Secretary of State. GRAMMY Award Winner. Author. Self proclaimed Pantsuit Aficionado. Married to a man named Bill, who plays the saxophone.”

You don’t have to like Hillary Clinton or her ideas. I get it. She’s a Democrat, a progressive (in most eyes), and conservatives don’t like that. However, you cannot say she does not have any accomplishments. Here are just a few:

Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.
She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.
She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.
Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.
Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.
The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

These are not all of her accomplishments. Her activism on behalf of women a children across the world is renowned. Her activism for raising the minimum wage and combating climate change is stellar. You do not have to support what she does or stands for. But do not say she doesn’t have any accomplishments. The conservatives who say this are the ones who are pushing for Ted Cruz – who brought on a $24 billion shut down. That, to them, is an accomplishment?

Yes, Hillary Clinton has accomplishments. You don’t have to like them, but they do, in fact, exist.

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
50. That was pretty generous of you to provide all that info. I don't think I could have been as
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jul 2016

patient and generous as you and many others here have been. As I reviewed many of the responses below, I saw the OP making excuse after excuse as to why she couldn't research this information herself. She hasn't had a TV in 6 years. When directed to Utube by someone, she doesn't do Utube yet she's got over 8,000 posts on DU. If she'd spent any time here this primary season, she'd know plenty of Hillary's accomplishments. But somehow she's a Bernie Supporter and in spite of a lack of a TV, lack of access to Utube, internet access hasn't interfered with her knowing everything that she needed to know about him to support him.

Again I appreciate your patience. I've been following the Convention on TV and the antics of some have really worn my patience thin.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
2. That's what the convention has been about
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

Many, many such examples were shown, with real flesh-and-blood people testifying to her impact on them. CSPAN is your friend.

Jelani Freeman may have been my favorite:



bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
3. If nothing you've heard before is good enough, accept that
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

No doubt you have already heard Bill Clinton talk and Barack Obama and an endless string of people. If you're not persuaded now, just accept that and move on. Not everybody is meant to like everybody in the world. That's fine. Accept it.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
37. I watched mostly via Facebook Live or the Youtube live stream
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

But on my point about accepting that some politicians speak to us, some speak to others' hearts. I caucused for Hillary in 2008 because I believed that she was the best candidate running -- until right before the convention, when Obama was pulling ahead, and I realized that with a strong Democratic party behind him, Obama could be a fantastic leader. And he was. But if I had not "felt" right in supporting Obama, I would have just said "No, I'll hold out."

For the people who really can't stand Hillary, I think that they need to accept their feelings and be true to that. If you have nothing against her (beliefs about "rigged" primary votes, or conspiracy theories in general, for instance, or some lingering rage about Benghazi or the fact that she used a server to route email), try reading issue statements on her campagn site? Or any of the hundreds of supportive articles describing her strengths, like Matt Yglesias's column today about her insistence upon getting all of the details right and the focus on sound policy:

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/28/12308198/hillary-clinton-speech-dnc

There was a time when Democrats could be counted upon to provide wise policy perspective. Al Franken said long ago that a Democrat is someone who has read a dozen position papers on a topic and still doesn't know which option is best, mirroring the old "I belong to no organized party" joke from Will Rogers. My faith in Hillary is that she understand policy -- healthcare policy, for example, or environmental, or educational -- as well as that she brings a commitment to equality for all Americans, as she has fought her entire life for civil rights. I stand with her for the same reason that the Human Rights Campaign stood with her -- she has been with LGBT folks as an ally for decades, and she will push for ENDA to be passed, as well as shore up the civil rights of sexual minorities and ethnic and racial minorities.

I have an inborn reluctance to play Change My Mind with people, though, and I'm just offering these points as an explanation of why I want her in the White House to carry on Obama's successes. For folks who can't bring themselves to vote for her, I recommend being true to yourselves and accepting that fact. As Justin Bobby said on the OC, only time and truth will tell.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
45. That is one of the very best political articles I have ever read, and I have been
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jul 2016

intensely following politics since 1964, when I was 14 years old! Thanks for the like.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
46. The entire coverage gavel-to-gavel has been streamed live on the
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016

Democratic Convention 2016 website.

I haven't had a tv in years. That doesn't stop me from knowing what the hell is going on.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
4. Watch the DNC Convention -- listen to the speakers
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

I am also betting most of what you were told and "know" as true about Hillary aren't true, but RW smears that people believe.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
5. Did you watch the convention?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

Listen to any of the speakers, both famous and ordinary citizens?

It's been three days of what she's done....

Just sayin' ...it's out there ~ glad you're curious.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
18. no tv for me
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

And no YouTube either.

I love transcripts though, are there any places to read the speeches?

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
6. Don't want to hate here, and I'm glad to hear you're voting with us for Hil...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

I'd advise you watch the convention. C-span has the speeches available to stream. Watch some of them and hear what people that have worked with her say about her, about the stories of her helping the 9-11 victims in NYC, how she's been an advocate and worker for children all her life.

Hang in there. Appreciate your willingness to learn more about Hillary.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. Almost every speaker at this convention has been laying out
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

those accomplishments and achievements for the past three days. If you haven't been watching, they're all available on the Internet for you to review. If you want to learn, it's easy to do that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. My Bernie supporting son said watching the convention ...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

... he's learned so much about Hillary and her accomplishments going back decades.

He's now a solid Hillary supporter.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
10. This big fam of Bernie is beyond impressed with her resume, so now I'm a Hillary Supporter, too
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

Every speaker brought me more and more into the circle.

I'll never stop supporting Bernie, and all of the amazing work he will, no doubt, continue to do.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
33. It is so easy to fall for sound bite character assassination...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

Its more difficult to dig out the facts - that's true for both Bernie and Hillary. Putting emotion aside and finding the facts in the cold light of day can feel pretty tedious, but we should all pay more to actions than intentions.

What someone has done is a pretty reliable predictor of what they will do in the future and talk? Talk is cheap.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. Hillary deserves credit for being an early & strong voice for healthcare reform. Hopefully a firm
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

commitment to a public option will be evident tonight and beyond. That would help a lot....

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
21. She's solidly committed to public option. Speakers have highlighted that
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure she'll say more tonight.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
12. You have plenty of opportunities to learn about Hillary's work.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

You could begin, for example, by listening to Barack Obama's speech from last night. It's on YouTube. He mentioned numerous accomplishments and examples of Hillary's good works. Then, you could use the Internet to fact check the president, until you are satisfied that you have learned enough.

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
29. Here's a link to the transcript of Obama's speech last night
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

and a couple of short excerpts..

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obama-2016-convention-speech-transcript-20160727-snap-story.html

That’s the America I know. And there is only one candidate in this race who believes in that future, and has devoted her life to it; a mother and grandmother who’d do anything to help our children thrive; a leader with real plans to break down barriers, blast through glass ceilings, and widen the circle of opportunity to every single American – the next President of the United States, Hillary Clinton.



You know, nothing truly prepares you for the demands of the Oval Office. Until you’ve sat at that desk, you don’t know what it’s like to manage a global crisis, or send young people to war. But Hillary’s been in the room; she’s been part of those decisions. She knows what’s at stake in the decisions our government makes for the working family, the senior citizen, the small business owner, the soldier, and the veteran. Even in the middle of crisis, she listens to people, and keeps her cool, and treats everybody with respect. And no matter how daunting the odds; no matter how much people try to knock her down, she never, ever quits.

That’s the Hillary I know. That’s the Hillary I’ve come to admire. And that’s why I can say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman more qualified than Hillary Clinton to serve as President of the United States of America.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
36. I am also an avid reader...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jul 2016

...but the heartfelt passion displayed by the people giving the speeches really is something that should be seen and heard in order to appreciate exactly what they are trying to convey. I use imagination to give the character in the books I read their own personalities and voices but in this context there is no replacing the genuine article. My opinion only.

Lunabell

(6,088 posts)
23. She has a lovely daughter
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

She is prochoice. Now, she is LGBT friendly. I don't have much else.

And oh yeah, she's not trump.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
25. she's been lgbt friendly since she was first lady of AK
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

LGBT issues are not just about marriage. You should look up her and bill's record on HIV/AIDS, which is a giant issue in our community.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
28. given that i am actually married to another woman and have been since 2012, its not a small issue to
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jul 2016

me, but it certain not my ONLY LGBT issue.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
40. And her primary opponent came over in 2009. All the candidates held back
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jul 2016

Clinton believed that ENDA was equally important, and inasmuch as LGBT folks suffer tremendously from job and work discrimination, I think ENDA is more important, actually, than doing away with DOMA. I look forward to ENDA being passed in the next few years.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
24. ok. here is a list that doesn't involve you watching youtube or tv
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jul 2016
http://archives.bluenationreview.com/top-reasons-vote-hillary/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/post/112-reasons-and-counting-hillary-clinton-should-be-our-next-president/

Mostly, she has worked for the good of children, women, and minorities for decades. She is a good person, a great listener, and she truly does evolve on issues when she hears from people. She's withstood years of attack and shows a type of grit that is essential in a leaders. She makes responsible choices even in they are not hugely popular (tim kaine is a good example of that). Anyone who has actually met her talks about how she empowers them and listens to them.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
30. I hear you about tv, but you do have an internet-connected computer. Read on, though...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

Watching some of the speeches would be a very good exercise. The first night (they're running together, but I'm sure it was Night 1) was all personal testimonials all the time. There were a couple from 9-11 survivors, including a first responder who lost two cousins when the towers came down. Hillary bent over backwards for him and others in New York, and she never gave up. Never.

From the very beginning of her career as a young lawyer, she never forgot people and she never gave up, and they have never forgotten her.

When Bill sent her to the Senate with their Health Care bill (that iirc included single payer) the Republicans chewed her up and spit her out. How dare the president send his wife to them? They expected her to crawl away and never be heard from again. But she went back, and never gave up until the Children's health care bill got passed. It was a compromise and it was not everything, but by God it was a significant chunk.

Her whole life has been in service to those who need it most.

Thanks for joining with us.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
39. just finished Bills speech
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jul 2016

That's a very well formatted speech.

Personal story, achievement list, personal story, achievements and more talking about today's events.

Very good speech.

And honestly I had always known was a great asset for women's rights. And children. These are good.

Her evolution had troubled me, but I'm beginning to think I was demanding perfection from human beings. Whether or not she's sincere in her evolution for LGBT rights, I know the country as a whole is headed in the right direction.

And perhaps we will lead her with our votes in the downticket? Perhaps she is playing it safe as a politician. But either way, we'll be better with her than with Trump.

I am learning so I'm very grateful for the transcript links people are giving me.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
43. The party has room for Tulsi Gabbard
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jul 2016

who is opposed to homosexuality entirely on religious grounds, but her team decided that she should stop attacking LGBT people in order to win over a larger support base. She stopped attacking LGBT people, still objects to gays and lesbians, but believes that they should be treated fairly and votes pretty much like a person who supports LGBT people would.

People in politics come from a variety of backgrounds, and from a variety of perspectives. I look at the votes to see what's what.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
48. Good to hear
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jul 2016

I was already a supporter, but not so in 2008, and I feel better about her as well after this convention. I needed a little education myself, and they've done a great job putting human faces on her work.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
44. You can read a transcript of Bill's speech online. He details her work on behalf of the poor,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jul 2016

the oppressed, and the disadvantaged, both in the US and around the world. It is an extraordinary list.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
49. Google Hillary Clinton and click the wiki link...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

Read about everything she did before she ever met Bill Clinton. You may be surprised.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
51. Go online and find the transcript for Bills speech
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

I know I learned a lot of things I didn't know about her.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
52. I'm sorry but no
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jul 2016

There is plenty of information about her accomplishments. I would highly recommend doing your own research. That way you can fact check and you'll have your own opinion.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
53. CHIP, promoting pay equality & women's rights = human rights, and bringing China to the table on
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016

environmental issues.

Those are three issues where she should be proud of the role she has played.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
54. If I may...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

Please consider re-evaluating what you "know" about Clinton. In my experience, a lot of what Bernie folks think they "know" comes fomr sources with a very specific point of view. I'm not saying they are necessarily factually inaccurate, but they are often presented without context, and with a healthy dose of innuendo.

Good luck with your journey!

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
56. Youtube Bill Clinton's speech from the other night. It will drop your jaw.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jul 2016

She has accomplished as much as anyone has.

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