2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRegarding the vocal protests at the Convention
The educator in me longs for respectful listening. The activist in me understands the longing to be heard. It's not that often you get so close to the people in power. The urge to tell them what you think must be frantic when you hold such deep beliefs.
If I was there, I would take my cue from Bernie and choose to be respectful, but I would also be scrambling to network and find some way to set up a forum to be heard by those in power somewhere outside of the Convention hall. I wouldn't be able to go home without at least trying.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He asked them to not disrupt. He asked them to be polite. Sometimes, you can disrupt one too many times and people stop listening to you.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Walking out on mothers of the movement
Shouting down civil rights icon John Lewis
When your spoiled little know-nothing, participation-trophy champion, skid-mark stained little butt can only think to scream epithets at those who are actually doing and have done the heavy lifting for you - you can kick rocks down the road.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)When people can't extend that basic courtesy I begin not to care about what they have to say.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)It's not as effective, but it's a hell of a lot more respectful. And doesn't make the convention about the protests.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)with other activists and politicians to grow the movement.
treestar
(82,383 posts)by doing that. They are there and can network.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)2008 was a much closer than 2016 and none of this childish bullshit came to pass. There is no pleasing people who won't accept that their choice lost.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)so one would not have expected that in 2008.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Hillary supporters in 2008 ? No,there wasn't. Do you think if you label them "activists" that makes it OK?
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)that's the only point that I was making.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)themselves as victims whenever they don't get their way
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)FACT: There is very little daylight between HRC and Bernie when it comes to dealing w ISIS. Both agreed that our Muslim allies need to do the heavy lifting and that US troops should not be involved. Instead US should provide support and resources.
FACT: Sanders told us he intended to continue the use of drones
So to me, the protestors were either uniformed about the closeness of HRC and Bernie's policy on Isis or they were extreme hypocrites.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)However ugly and however embarrassing, it's democracy.
The First Amendment (with some restrictions) protects a lot of speech, even speech given by people we disagree with or speech that we feel is inappropriate at or around certain venues. It seems like a lot of us have forgotten that on this "Democratic" message board.
Let them get it out of their systems. By tomorrow, these folks won't be a headline.
procon
(15,805 posts)These are credentialed delegates who have one job, name the the official Democratic nominee for president. The DNC makes the rules, sets the programme,approves the delegates and issues their passes, and they pay for the festivities.
The primaries were the place for arguing and debate, and that time is done and settled. Those who still want to act out and litigate the never ending lists of grievances, pet peeves, slights, unrequited passions, strained emotions and bruised feelings, are laboring under false assumptions. Democracy, was they want to redefine it, does not allow them to hijack the Party's celebratory venue, or trash talk and rudely disrespect the true icons of a real democracy.
No, these few, non-Democrats, don't get a free pass to put their childish temper tantrums on public display and disrupt the historic, record breaking events that millions of us have waited our whole lives to see.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)Yes, I understand that the heckling inside is occurring at a private event outside of a public forum.
However, it's interesting to see Democrats want to silence dissenting voices (normally not heard) within our own party because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Whatever happens, happens. This will be a non-story by tomorrow.
procon
(15,805 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)is that they don't work. Indeed, they most often tend to alienate people, and rarely garner the hearts of minds of whomever they are trying to convince.
Look at every successful movement in recent history--Martin Luther King's peaceful, nonviolent protests; the LGBT equality efforts--and you'll see that they turned away from combative efforts (the Panthers, or Act Up tactics, which admittedly had positive effects in internally motivating people and bringing issues out of the shadow, but were not successful in inducing change directly).
Disruptive, rude behavior is just not the agent for change. I'm not arguing against civil disobedience: I think sometimes it is absolutely necessary. But there is always the right time and the right place: the Freedom Rides, the recent House Sit In. It must be done with dignity and resolve, not with boos and farts and crazy hats.
This movement needs to grow up and learn how to organize.
nini
(16,672 posts)That's always been my problem with this tactic. You need to choose the right time and place. All they're going to do is piss everyone off which will NOT lead to people hearing your concern or even giving a damn about it later.
These people need to learn how to have their voices heard louder than their obnoxiousness. It can be done.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)They seem to have the financial means to get to the convention in Philly -- certainly they can make it to some Clinton campaign stops where there will be plenty of media to carry their message.
These people should be respectful to the nominee or leave.