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GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:38 PM Jul 2016

Regarding the vocal protests at the Convention

The educator in me longs for respectful listening. The activist in me understands the longing to be heard. It's not that often you get so close to the people in power. The urge to tell them what you think must be frantic when you hold such deep beliefs.

If I was there, I would take my cue from Bernie and choose to be respectful, but I would also be scrambling to network and find some way to set up a forum to be heard by those in power somewhere outside of the Convention hall. I wouldn't be able to go home without at least trying.

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Regarding the vocal protests at the Convention (Original Post) GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 OP
If they really believed in Bernie Sanders, they would do as he asked leftofcool Jul 2016 #1
When you act like entitled, even racist little brats Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #15
My parents taught me not to interrupt others when they are speaking RonniePudding Jul 2016 #2
If they really believed in democracy, they would get educated by listening. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #3
they are actually protesting democracy. they are protesting losing. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #21
And that is all the more reason to listen. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #23
Make some signs, get friends to hold them with you, hope you get on camera. Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #4
I would think this is a perfect opportunity to network... cynatnite Jul 2016 #5
Indeed, they would get further with their stated goals treestar Jul 2016 #20
They've already been heard and coddled to an embarrassing extent. sufrommich Jul 2016 #6
To be fair, though, the choice of the activists actually won the 2008 nomination Chitown Kev Jul 2016 #13
What does that have to do with it? Were there rude protests and booing from sufrommich Jul 2016 #14
No...but they were fewer in number then and now Chitown Kev Jul 2016 #19
it's very hard to have a conversation with people unwilling to listen and who view geek tragedy Jul 2016 #7
I suggest ensuring Dems "get in power" before disrupting convention. Then, protest all they want. Hoyt Jul 2016 #8
Here's one problem I had with yesterday's display during Panetta's speech emulatorloo Jul 2016 #9
It's democracy. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #10
This is a privately held event of the Democratic Party, not an open public forum for protests. procon Jul 2016 #16
I'm speaking of protests occurring outside of the arena. Renaissance Man Jul 2016 #17
No one cares if they protest, but they've chosen the wrong method at the wrong venue. nt procon Jul 2016 #18
The problem with "vocal protests" (a polite way of naming what has been going on) frazzled Jul 2016 #11
No one hears your message when the rudeness comes out louder nini Jul 2016 #12
I agree. But these people do have the option of following Clinton on the campaign trail. Tatiana Jul 2016 #22

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
1. If they really believed in Bernie Sanders, they would do as he asked
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jul 2016

He asked them to not disrupt. He asked them to be polite. Sometimes, you can disrupt one too many times and people stop listening to you.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
15. When you act like entitled, even racist little brats
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jul 2016

Walking out on mothers of the movement
Shouting down civil rights icon John Lewis

When your spoiled little know-nothing, participation-trophy champion, skid-mark stained little butt can only think to scream epithets at those who are actually doing and have done the heavy lifting for you - you can kick rocks down the road.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
2. My parents taught me not to interrupt others when they are speaking
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

When people can't extend that basic courtesy I begin not to care about what they have to say.

Qutzupalotl

(14,317 posts)
4. Make some signs, get friends to hold them with you, hope you get on camera.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

It's not as effective, but it's a hell of a lot more respectful. And doesn't make the convention about the protests.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
5. I would think this is a perfect opportunity to network...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016

with other activists and politicians to grow the movement.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. Indeed, they would get further with their stated goals
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

by doing that. They are there and can network.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
6. They've already been heard and coddled to an embarrassing extent.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

2008 was a much closer than 2016 and none of this childish bullshit came to pass. There is no pleasing people who won't accept that their choice lost.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
13. To be fair, though, the choice of the activists actually won the 2008 nomination
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

so one would not have expected that in 2008.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. What does that have to do with it? Were there rude protests and booing from
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary supporters in 2008 ? No,there wasn't. Do you think if you label them "activists" that makes it OK?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. it's very hard to have a conversation with people unwilling to listen and who view
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

themselves as victims whenever they don't get their way

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
9. Here's one problem I had with yesterday's display during Panetta's speech
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

FACT: There is very little daylight between HRC and Bernie when it comes to dealing w ISIS. Both agreed that our Muslim allies need to do the heavy lifting and that US troops should not be involved. Instead US should provide support and resources.

FACT: Sanders told us he intended to continue the use of drones

So to me, the protestors were either uniformed about the closeness of HRC and Bernie's policy on Isis or they were extreme hypocrites.

Renaissance Man

(669 posts)
10. It's democracy.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

However ugly and however embarrassing, it's democracy.

The First Amendment (with some restrictions) protects a lot of speech, even speech given by people we disagree with or speech that we feel is inappropriate at or around certain venues. It seems like a lot of us have forgotten that on this "Democratic" message board.

Let them get it out of their systems. By tomorrow, these folks won't be a headline.

procon

(15,805 posts)
16. This is a privately held event of the Democratic Party, not an open public forum for protests.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

These are credentialed delegates who have one job, name the the official Democratic nominee for president. The DNC makes the rules, sets the programme,approves the delegates and issues their passes, and they pay for the festivities.

The primaries were the place for arguing and debate, and that time is done and settled. Those who still want to act out and litigate the never ending lists of grievances, pet peeves, slights, unrequited passions, strained emotions and bruised feelings, are laboring under false assumptions. Democracy, was they want to redefine it, does not allow them to hijack the Party's celebratory venue, or trash talk and rudely disrespect the true icons of a real democracy.

No, these few, non-Democrats, don't get a free pass to put their childish temper tantrums on public display and disrupt the historic, record breaking events that millions of us have waited our whole lives to see.

Renaissance Man

(669 posts)
17. I'm speaking of protests occurring outside of the arena.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jul 2016

Yes, I understand that the heckling inside is occurring at a private event outside of a public forum.

However, it's interesting to see Democrats want to silence dissenting voices (normally not heard) within our own party because it makes them feel uncomfortable. Whatever happens, happens. This will be a non-story by tomorrow.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. The problem with "vocal protests" (a polite way of naming what has been going on)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jul 2016

is that they don't work. Indeed, they most often tend to alienate people, and rarely garner the hearts of minds of whomever they are trying to convince.

Look at every successful movement in recent history--Martin Luther King's peaceful, nonviolent protests; the LGBT equality efforts--and you'll see that they turned away from combative efforts (the Panthers, or Act Up tactics, which admittedly had positive effects in internally motivating people and bringing issues out of the shadow, but were not successful in inducing change directly).

Disruptive, rude behavior is just not the agent for change. I'm not arguing against civil disobedience: I think sometimes it is absolutely necessary. But there is always the right time and the right place: the Freedom Rides, the recent House Sit In. It must be done with dignity and resolve, not with boos and farts and crazy hats.

This movement needs to grow up and learn how to organize.

nini

(16,672 posts)
12. No one hears your message when the rudeness comes out louder
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

That's always been my problem with this tactic. You need to choose the right time and place. All they're going to do is piss everyone off which will NOT lead to people hearing your concern or even giving a damn about it later.

These people need to learn how to have their voices heard louder than their obnoxiousness. It can be done.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
22. I agree. But these people do have the option of following Clinton on the campaign trail.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

They seem to have the financial means to get to the convention in Philly -- certainly they can make it to some Clinton campaign stops where there will be plenty of media to carry their message.

These people should be respectful to the nominee or leave.

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