2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEveryone-CNN is now the place to go!
I've been a loyal MSNBC viewer since 2007 but they've now jumped the shark to Trumpland.
It's stunning that Rachel Maddow supports Donald Trump now. WTF Rachel?
CNN, on the other hand, I've always seen as anti-Obama. They've really switched to being fair this cycle with a pro-Clinton lean. David Axelrod, Patti Solis Doyle and Van Jones are great on the panel along with John King.
They also provide pretty much gavel-to-gavel coverage with minimal talking head disruption during key moments. They carried MOM's speech yesterday live.
Go with CNN this cycle. They're fair to our nominee unlike apparent Trump lovers Rachel Maddow and Brian Williams. CNN lowered my blood pressure and they'll lower yours too!
You don't need to go to CSPAN, which actually is Republican created, FYI.
You're upset now? Imagine how you'll feel when Rachel and Brian slobber all over their hero, Donald September 26th after the 1st debate. CNN will at least be fair.
michaz
(1,352 posts)this whole convention.
still_one
(92,219 posts)NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)lapucelle
(18,275 posts)Jimmy Carter was president.
I don't "have to go" to CPSAN. I choose to go there.
I'd rather hear the speeches and see the videos that CNN is cutting away form than see commercials and listen to superficial observations from overpaid talking heads.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I don't have access to any of the cable stations. NPR & PBS did a great job of commercial free coverage.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...or self delete.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)After his speech. Check the transcript. I'll never forgive her for that. Ever. Not ever.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)But that doesn't mean she is supporting Drumpf....
glennward
(989 posts)Siwsan
(26,268 posts)I'll stick with Cspan.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)lady lib
(2,933 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)But I agree CNN is the place to go.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Rude and offensive. Or said that he offended her. She needs to clarify that.
Even Gloria Borger is fair to us on CNN.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)That criticism was annoying but no harm intended I'm sure. She's aware how regressive a Trump administration would be to gay rights among other things.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I will repeat to you what HRC once said "Humanism is feminism and feminism is humanism."
Do you think anyone can be an "uber humanist"?
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)To say Rachel Maddow supports Trump because she was critical of a single speech given by Bill Clinton at the DNC is damn ridiculous. Where is Sarah Silverman when we need her?
StraightRazor
(260 posts)and hasn't watched show after show after show of Rachel hitting Trump harder than anyone on the network aside from Lawrence O'Donnell, then maybe, maybe an argument can be made that she was tougher than she needed to be on Bill. But to call Rachel a Trump supporter is indeed ridiculous.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and that's including Jeffery Lord.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to where rachel declared her support for don the con? Thanks in advance.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)It's hard to forgive her for that. It was thinly veiled but still there. She called Bill Clinton rude, strange and offensive. She needs to retract that.
I at best see her as a Stein supporter now until she clarifies what she meant on Tuesday night.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and didn't see a thing that says she was supporting comrade donnie. Serve up the link or just go ahead and admit you were being hyperbolic and posting complete bullshit.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Rachel of all people until she said Bill Clinton was rude and offensive. Saying such a thing at this time of all times is unforgivable.
She's also buddy buddy with Bush stooge Nicole Wallace. Have you see the 'sismance' those 2 have going? And Nicole is no friend.
She said on Morning Joe July 6th that Comey's rantings tilted her back to Trump, Nicole did.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)criticism of bill clinton equals she supports trump? c'mon.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I've noticed it before, actually. I think it's diminishing Rachel's perspective (I don't think she supports Trump, though).
JCanete
(5,272 posts)I don't want propaganda from my reporters or pundits. I want to trust that they are being honest. Was what she said stupid, overly sensitive, or distorted by her lens? Maybe. As a Bernie supporter it's not like I have undying love for the woman who made her allegiance pretty clear during the primaries, and I understand that she works for a corporatist network that has been very pro-establishment, and maybe she's not into rocking too many boats, but she can voice a problem she has with one of mine or your candidates without us being reactionary, "burn the witch," children about it.
Now if you don't find what she says very on the nose, interesting or informative these days, that's a good reason to not tune in any more. I don't for those reasons. But to call for people to tune into CNN of all places--the place of "we report the talking points but don't bother to challenge them, you decide"--because there is only room now for lock-step solidarity and group-think, is not a good idea. Please listen to yourself.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)don't want the talking heads disrupting what I'm trying to watch and hear.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)I'd like to see a link or proof of Rachel supporting Drumpf.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I'll watch CNN when I want to see the odd news report....
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Gavel to gavel coverage with no pundits or even TV hosts.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)if I want to hear commentary and immediate reaction to events. Otherwise, I'm enjoying C-SPAN.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)CNN has been good. They have 1 Con on who gets to tebut everything anyone says, but that's fine too.
MSNBC is finished.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)He obviously REALLY detests what Trump is doing to the REPUGS and it has made him into a pretty damned decent pundit this go-around.
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)But other than that, it's been good.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I've watched the whole thing via the DNC website live feed and it's certainly a breath of fresh air.
msongs
(67,417 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I stopped watching "Cable Newz" in 2004, haven't gone back. Cut the cable tv cord entitrely a year or two ago, don't miss it a bit. While I may not be up to date on the latest antics of the ice road truckers, I have somehow survived.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Couldn't agree more about rejecting the "professionals" whose job it is to tell me what I should think. I wish I could cut the cord too, but my internet connection is a genuine tragedy of ruralness.
This thing moves faster.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RUN!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)and their coverage that focuses on any anti-Clinton activity around the Convention while ignoring the ultra super majority of people who support her.
For that reason, I've chosen not to watch their Convention Coverage.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...in Congress, when Paul Ryan cut off the power in the chamber, CSPAN continued to broadcast using people's Face Book accounts and other media off their cell phones.
They are hardly "Republican."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)None of the muckraking cutting away to disturbances and the "very serious people" talking them up, making much more of them than they were. Though, by not turning the cameras on the section most of them were in, occasionally making a bit less of their impact also.
I did cut to CNN and MSNBC inoccasionally to see what they were saying. I missed the promised final interview (oh, darn ) of some foolish girl who proudly exposed her many misunderstandings on national TV to see if she'd "changed her mind." Hope her friends convince her this too will pass. At least she cares.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)DianaForRussFeingold
(2,552 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)also offer convention coverage without ANY commercials or prattling bobble-heads "telling" you about the convention instead of just letting you actually watch it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Not that I'd go to bat for MSNBC, but at least there was less pretense of impartiality on that network. CNN was ineffectual to the point of enablement, which is no surprise given who pays their bills too.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and desparate to elevate trump.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I have even watched them when the convention was off-session for a lot of interesting features. For example, they interviewed Rickey Minor today! Very cool.
Enjoyed their tour of the Constitution Center, too.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)And Axelrod usually provides cogent analysis as well.
Plus, from what I have seen, Anderson does talk over or spoil significant moments.
beaglelover
(3,486 posts)First of all, we can't stand Brian Williams. We used to like Rachel, but now, not so much. I do personally like Chris Mathews and Lawrence O'Donnell. But CNN's coverage of the conventions has been much better then MSNBC's.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)'Cause doing so takes ratings away from CNN, which has gone so far away from Ted Turner's original vision that it is as unrecognizable as MSNBC is.
CSPAN.
No John King pointing at screens. No Wolf Blitzer making sure he appears in every show.
I want to see all the speeches that the talking heads talk over. I don't need them to "interpret it" for me.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)After the convention I go to MSNBC & to see their slant on things.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)want to avoid the mostly inane commentary of the "experts."
But I was interested to note that when I was watching the video (not in real time) of Bernie's speech on Monday, they identified him as "I-Vermont."