2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Edging Back Up On 538, In Polls, and On Betting Markets
It seems Trump's high water mark is going to be rather shallow. Apparently a psychotic, rambling speech and flirting with treason aren't winning over too many people. Let's take a look at the numbers
Huffington Post Polls/Pollster.com
Clinton had been down to just about 1.5 points ahead a few days ago, now she is at a 2.1 point lead.
538
She was a 52.4% chance of winning in the polls only forecast, now she is at 53.7.
Clinton was down to 59.5% chance of winning in the polls plus forecast, now she is up to 61.6
And in the Now Cast, she was down to 44.6% at the beginning of the week, she has since edged up to 47.1
Betting Markets
65.8% chance of Clinton victory at the beginning of the week, now 67.3.
Small changes over the past 2 or 3 days but trending back to the Dems. Growing evidence that Trump's bounce was small and weak. In fact, in the averages, the best he could do was a tie or a sliver of a lead, according to some but not all sites. According to the folks at 538, if Trump wasn't leading by at least a few points in the averages after the convention, he was in serious trouble. Even McCain pulled ahead by a few points post-convention and we all remember how that turned out.
calguy
(5,315 posts)😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Sure, the people on reddit were ready to burn the world to the ground but most people seem to have a real "meh" attitude. Any evidence that the hack or Trump winning over undecideds is looking extremely weak.
Lanius
(599 posts)of doing everything they can to create a horse race, which is good for ratings. Some experts will say not to trust polls until at least after both conventions are over or, at most, not until mid-August. But when Trump got that little bump from the RNC and Clinton took a hit from the DNC emails controversy (despite there being no evidence DNC officials actually tried to thwart Bernie) the media jumped all over it.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)I remember even then they were saying that the election was "a tie" and a "dead heat". Maddow predicted that it was going to be like 2000 or 2004 again, with a nail biter going into the next day.
And here are articles from throughout the summer and fall of 2008, proclaiming that the election was a dead heat. That is why I don't listen to most of the so called "experts".
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=mccain+obama+dead+heat
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)It has already halted and begun to reverse Trump's gains and it isn't even over. The wide range of very popular speakers is going to win people over.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)comparing our lineup to theirs is like watching the '92 Bulls play basketball against a 3 legged dog and a moldy old mop.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)I would probably root for the 3 legged dog out of pity. I have no pity for Trump and his rolling dumpster fire.
Doodley
(9,094 posts)the last few days - the Putin link. asking Russia to release Clinton emails and saying he would like to hit a little guy until his head spins. Trump is out of control.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)It was in one of their podcasts. He said in the middle of an explanation about something or other that "Trump is probably going to lose". That is how I am approaching this election. Could trump win? Sure, it isn't impossible. Is it quite unlikely? Yeah. In the end, he probably won't win and stressing about every poll months before the election is going to drive you mad. There will be ups and downs and twists and turns before people finally get to vote but when its all over, Clinton is likely going to come out on top. I don't think she will win by double digits but I think it will be a comfortable enough victory that we will quickly move on when its all over.