2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTipping Point...and a helluva sight earlier than I would have expected.
I think Trump may have hit his tipping point with the Khan comments. My Facebook feed has a whole bunch of people who do not normally say negative things about him outraged over those comments. I have thought that he would eventually add a little too much to his negative pile and people would start turning against him.
I just thought it would take longer than one day after the Democratic convention.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)I agree... Trump's gone about as vile as it gets.
And he's desperate. You may want a raincoat
to keep all the incoming spittle away.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)lapucelle
(18,319 posts)published in the Sunday edition of a tabloid rag as a distraction from his own misdeeds?
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)dontcha think?
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Wtf is wrong with him?!!
Hapstinna
(10 posts)WTF is wrong with people who continue to support this moron? Unfortunately, I am embarrassed to say some of these people are even in my own family.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)flaws. I don't know any of his supporters and I am thankful about that.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Or they get their news only from RW sources.
Simply put, they don't hear the things that disqualify Trump from consideration.
piechartking
(617 posts)I've always hoped that eventually there would be enough "asshole" moments to turn off most of the country.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)But quickly becomes obnoxious as his behavior gets more and more out of control.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)spooky3
(34,476 posts)I just hope the other partygoers find him obnoxious soon!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Demographic is going to start abandoning ship now. Or, to carry on your conceit, surreptitiously dialing Uber on their cell phones and slinking away without saying their farewells.
NNadir
(33,544 posts)...hasn't shown the American people in a great light that he is the nominee of a major, albeit increasingly racist, party.
renie408
(9,854 posts)until after the conventions. It is just background noise. They go by what friends they trust are saying or family members. But most people don't get into it until late summer early Fall. Which is why I am kinda surprised that so many of the people that have been sitting quietly on the sidelines are taking notice this early.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Trump voters hate Muslims and any other foreigners. So Trump being cruel to these parents makes them happy. Trump knows his market. That's why he does this kind of stuff. You think Trump regrets his Mexican judge comments? He could care less about us NPR listeners who get outraged by his cruelty to non whites.
renie408
(9,854 posts)Because this morning he had a link to an article about the Khan comments and posted that they are disgusting. And yesterday he was pro Trump. I also had several people that I hadn't known which way they went, liking and commenting on my anti-Trump stuff, particularly that about the Khans.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)From the more "reasonable" repugs. He can't win with just his cray cray base.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)Any more then Michael Bloomberg was there to sway "Trump voters".
They were there, particularly Bloomberg, to speak to Indys, soft repubs and centrists who aren't on the trump train.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The mass who pay little attention until well into the election season are not going to like any of that.
landolfi
(234 posts)to go after the deafening silence in Republican leadership. I knew Ryan and McConnell were parasites on vermin, but even thieves and liars depend on decency at some point. Where are their lawyer-crafted templated responses expressing their outrage? As Khan said, this is a moral, not a political issue.
renie408
(9,854 posts)lark
(23,155 posts)too chicken to tell the truth, the worm vermin
renie408
(9,854 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Stuart G
(38,445 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)he cannot help himself. i am thankful for that much. this morning i had a little fantasy in which he walked away from the campaign, finally remanding the republican party to where it belongs, in the dustbin of history. sigh. with the corporate media so far into the tank for the right wing, that will probably not come true. but my confidence is high that trump will never be president.
we just need to get out the VOTE
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)If you click on the trending topics (on the right side of the desktop home page of FB), you'll see a number of related posts/articles from media sites as well as your friends. The comments on the media sites are quite revealing. Assuming for the moment that they are not a bunch of Russian trolls, the blind hatred appearing in those comments confirms what we should have known all along: Drumpf's followers do not care about facts, and do not have one shred of decency, let alone empathy toward the Khan family. Other FB users who try to refute their positions come under immediate attack.
The scariest part is that a lot of these sheeple plan to vote.
As much as we'd like to think of this as an early "October surprise," we must remain steadfast, and most importantly...
GOTV!!
Sugarcoated
(7,728 posts)I'm on FB a lot and check out the discussions beneath the articles and I've seen 99% of the comments appalled at Trump's comments. Very, very few defenders.
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)...than clicking on posts from CNN, USA Today and other media outlets, but curiosity got the better of me. I kept clicking on 'show more comments' until all comments were on the screen.
After the first dozen or so comments supporting Drumpf and his most recent statement, I moved on. But not before seeing one numbskull telling someone to pick a third-world country for her deportation after the election. Just because she disagreed with him.
It was at that point that I closed that page and came here this morning.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...I think Clinton has gotten into the swing of things, and now knows how to express her message so that it resonates, and makes everyone feel included, and part of a real movement with real power. Even those who are currently on the fence and thinking of going with Trump. I think, now, that she and her super team can change minds willing to be changed.
But we still have 90 odd days to go. And neither the Republicans, nor the media they control, nor Trump play fair. They will try every dirty trick in the book--including, as we've seen, getting Russians to hack us. They will, undoubted do their best to shove the cameras off Trump's errors and onto something they can blow out of all proportion in the Clinton campaign or among her voters.
Trump won't necessarily be all that much of a help because he is a loose cannon and can shoot himself in the foot without warning. But we still have to be alert and ready with water buckets to put out the fires these arsonists will try to start. Mr. Khan, brave gentleman, has given us momentum through August. We need to find other stories and ways of carrying that momentum through September and October. We can do this!
calimary
(81,466 posts)And it's been going on for decades. HOWEVER, I've never heard or seen or even conceived that it would get to a level like this. I mean - this is no break-in of the DNC offices. This is no exploitive Willie Horton race-baiting campaign. This is allowing a well-known, well-documented, well-recognized adversarial foreign entity to meddle in our elections for the political gain of one of the candidates. NOBODY that I can recall ever invited the Russians to step in and stir things up on behalf of one candidate on one side. Hell, this is THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF who did the inviting! On live television!
I've never seen anything like this. It just freakin' Blows. My. Mind.
renie408
(9,854 posts)But barring something REALLY ugly coming to light about Hillary, I don't think it will ever swing back far enough to his side. He doesn't have a good way to come back.
I will not get complacent. I do not want to beat Trump, I WANT TO CRUSH HIM. I want to beat him so badly that Republicans sit up and pay attention and quit running asshats.
Unlike a lot of people here (and I am going to get reamed, I know), I don't think it is healthy for the country for the GOP to be as dysfunctional as it is.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...but it's been snowballing into this since the Dixie-crats left the Democratic Party in protest over Civil Rights and joined up with Goldwater Republicans. Their racism combined with militant states rights (read: "we get to segregate if we want!" with that "blow enemies to bits" mentality has been building ever since into this perfect storm. It's time to put a stop to it once and for all. Both parties ough to be sane and run by sane people.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)His fans will make up excuses as to why his comments were acceptable, but I do think there is a tiny nibbling effect that will add up and ensure his demise this fall.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...The leader can do anything to anybody including his followers, and they will excuse it and believe him right every time.
Fortunately for us, not all American voters, not even a majority (knock wood) have joined the cult. A lot of those making noise about voting for Trump are still in the "checking out the cult" phase--not the "I've sold my house, left my family, and decided to give myself, body and soul, to the cult."
These people going to cult meetings but not yet full members can be lured back out. Or at least made to question whether they really want to commit. But we can't let up for a second in their "de-programming." The more uneasy they feel about Trump thanks to people like Mr. Khan, and facts on Trump's scams, the more likely they may be to change their minds about voting for him.
renie408
(9,854 posts)I am in a fairly rural area of North Carolina about 40 minutes east of Charlotte. This area is VERY conservative. I can think of ONE Trump yard sign that we know of. We NEVER see Trump bumper stickers. I don't think people so much support Trump around here as they don't support Hillary. I don't think it would take much to turn people off.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...if they can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary So long as they don't vote for Trump, I'll consider that good enough.
renie408
(9,854 posts)They despise Trump, but hate Hillary. They are life long Republicans who do not recognize their party any more. I talk to some of clients as delicately as possible because its a fine line when you run a small, local business. I literally don't know any Trump supporters in 'real' life and have very few of them on my FB.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Popularity is fickle - perception is reality. I've let them rant while just smiling up until now.
Invidious15
(17 posts)Yet we still have the media going to great lengths to portray Hillary and The Ludicrous Tangerine Ballbag* as being equally flawed. The Philadelphia Inquirer splashed shit like this on the front page of today's issue:
"We've never seen anything like this, ever, where you see both candidates so damaged--usually candidates with those types of negatives don't get nominations."
This quote, attributed to a pollster from Muhlenberg College, was included in a headline banner piece by a member of the Inquirer staff,
To this I say: Are you fucking serious?. The headline title "Contrast and Compare" is a joke, right? Hillary damaged by what? The shit the GOP has pulled out of their asses and thrown at her over the last 20+ years?
Fine job, Inquirer. Keep up the great work.
*Wish I'd thought of that. It's from a tweet in response to Trump's Golf course performance in Scotland.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to the world. When all is said and done, we are the party that does the most to move this country forward.
Silent3
(15,265 posts)...turned out to be pretty conservative after I accepted his friend request. He wasn't overtly pro-Trump, but he'd bashed Clinton some, and when he wasn't posting about hiking, his humor was on the good-ol' boy side, and he was the kind of guy who couldn't resist responding to #BlackLivesMatter with #AllLivesMatter or #BlueLivesMatter.
Trump's Khan remarks clearly pushed him too far. He reacted angrily to that yesterday, and he went full #ImWithHer today.