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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:41 PM Jul 2016

My back of the envelope math

AA vote 13% of electorate HRC gets 95% =12.35% *
Hispanic vote 11% of electorate HRC gets 80% = 8.8%*
Asian vote 4% of electorate HRC gets 75% 3.0%*
Other/mixed 3% of the electorate HRC gets 70% =2.1%*

=26.25

She can win this with < 35% of the white vote.


* Based on poll numbers I have seen from memory.

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My back of the envelope math (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 OP
by "electorate" are those percentages of people who actually vote? unblock Jul 2016 #1
I was basing it on 012 exit polls and making small increases to allow for population growth. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #2
Add in 60% plus of all women vote... beachbumbob Jul 2016 #3
You didn't even have to do my math DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #5
Turnout turnout turnout. awake Jul 2016 #4
I agree... However I think Clinton can replicate PBO's AA numbers and juice Hispanic and Asian ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #6
Clinton is not going to replicate PBO's AA numbers oberliner Jul 2016 #8
Trump is polling at 0% among African Americans in PA and OH. * DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #9
Trump is polling at 10% among African Americans in OH oberliner Jul 2016 #11
Marist is an A rated pollster DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #12
Hillary gets 88 percent of the AA vote in that Marist poll for Ohio oberliner Jul 2016 #13
I take any landline only poll with a grain of salt. I can't stop anybody from hanging his or her.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #14
We need Hillary to get 93%+ of the AA vote in Ohio oberliner Jul 2016 #16
She can do that... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #17
she actually did better in NC primary then Obama did in 2008 primary DLCWIdem Aug 2016 #19
But Obama inspired two critical things in AA: moonscape Jul 2016 #15
HRC is already getting 40% of the white vote. Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #7
If she gets 40% of the white vote she will have an Electoral College landslide and a 6-8% pop vote DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #10
Speaking of math, what GOTV efforts are underway between now and November? These estimates floriduck Aug 2016 #18
You're making some assumptions that are on the optimistic end piechartking Aug 2016 #20
I would say DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #21
Okay - I accept your reasoning - so how is the Clinton ground game? piechartking Aug 2016 #22
The Clinton Machine is second to none. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #23
Can you elaborate on "glimpses"? piechartking Aug 2016 #24

unblock

(52,257 posts)
1. by "electorate" are those percentages of people who actually vote?
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jul 2016

or just the eligible or registered voting population?

not sure how much that changes things.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. You didn't even have to do my math
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

PBO won by 4 with 39% of the white vote...

So my 35% figure is not unrealistic.

Throw in 3rd parties and she can sneak in with a bit less...

We have a much larger margin for error than the Repubs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
6. I agree... However I think Clinton can replicate PBO's AA numbers and juice Hispanic and Asian ...
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jul 2016

I agree... However I think Clinton can replicate PBO's AA numbers and juice Hispanic and Asian turnout...

I wouldn't expect African Americans to embrace Clinton as they embraced Obama. But I am certain they hate Trump more than they could have ever hated someone as innocuous as Romney.

Trump likes to put a Hispanic face on undocumented workers but many of them are Asian and some are European.

I personally know both Asian and Hispanic undocumented workers.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Clinton is not going to replicate PBO's AA numbers
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jul 2016

She will do very well with that demographic, but not that well.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Trump is polling at 0% among African Americans in PA and OH. *
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jul 2016

Even McCain and Romney did better....


If you like I will Find the exit polls.



* Latest Marist polls

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. Marist is an A rated pollster
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jul 2016

Marist is an A rated pollster , calls landline and cell phone users, and is a member of NCPP and AAPOR/ROPER:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

and the poll director , Lee Mirringoff was the former president of the National Council Of Public Polls.

I will take them over PPP, a robo caller whose work has been shrouded in controversy:



https://newrepublic.com/article/114682/ppp-polling-methodology-opaque-flawed


Will I cite PPP?

Yeah


But they are far from America's greatest pollster.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Hillary gets 88 percent of the AA vote in that Marist poll for Ohio
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jul 2016

11 percent chose Neither, Other, or Undecided.

She gets only 33 percent of white voters.

In 2012, Obama got 96 percent of the AA vote and 41 percent of the white vote versus Romney in that state.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. I take any landline only poll with a grain of salt. I can't stop anybody from hanging his or her....
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jul 2016

I take any landline only poll with a grain of salt. I can't stop anybody from hanging his or her hat on polls with 20th century methodology.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. We need Hillary to get 93%+ of the AA vote in Ohio
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

And we need AA turnout to be big in that state.

That's all I am saying.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
19. she actually did better in NC primary then Obama did in 2008 primary
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:07 AM
Aug 2016

I rememberthat from MSNBC. So its not entirely impossible, especially if Obama campaigns hard for her.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
15. But Obama inspired two critical things in AA:
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jul 2016

1. turnout
2. willingness to stand in long lines and fight to vote as the effort to disenfranchise had already begun - it's even worse now

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. If she gets 40% of the white vote she will have an Electoral College landslide and a 6-8% pop vote
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jul 2016

If she gets 40% of the white vote she will have an Electoral College landslide and a 6-8% pop vote victory.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
18. Speaking of math, what GOTV efforts are underway between now and November? These estimates
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:02 AM
Aug 2016

and forecasts are nice to play with but the only way that math works is to compare the GOTV efforts of 2008 and 2012 to now. Have the voters turnout been constant or increased in the various categories in your equation.

As an example, I wonder how the AA voters planning to vote compare to 2008. The same goes for women, white men and Hispanics. It would not surprise me to see a lower voter turnout this year compared to presidential races in years past.

piechartking

(617 posts)
20. You're making some assumptions that are on the optimistic end
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:13 AM
Aug 2016

Although I hope they are true:

1. 31% non-white share of the electorate. Last time estimate was 29% - and that was with Obama running, driving up historic levels of black turnout. Can this be replicated?

2. 80% Latino vote for HRC - I don't think Obama even got this share of the Latinos.

3. 75% Asian - again, I think this is higher or the same as last time.

Basically, I think that it's safe to assume that if she gets less than 40% of the white vote, things start looking very hairy for us.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. I would say
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:30 AM
Aug 2016
1. 31% non-white share of the electorate. Last time estimate was 29% - and that was with Obama running, driving up historic levels of black turnout. Can this be replicated?


Trump will be a turnout machine for minorities

2. 80% Latino vote for HRC - I don't think Obama even got this share of the Latinos.


Romney didn't call for a wall and call Mexicans "criminals, drug dealers, and rapists."



3. 75% Asian - again, I think this is higher or the same as last time.


Trump insulted them too...

piechartking

(617 posts)
22. Okay - I accept your reasoning - so how is the Clinton ground game?
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:45 AM
Aug 2016

I will say that Trump doesn't seem to have as mature and sophisticated a campaign GOTV operation as Clinton. Are we exploiting this fact and pushing these narratives to minorities that you are laying out?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. The Clinton Machine is second to none.
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:50 AM
Aug 2016

We saw glimpses of it in the primaries.


Maybe I am Pollyannaish but I believe Team Clinton can match or exceed Obama's numbers among minorities.

piechartking

(617 posts)
24. Can you elaborate on "glimpses"?
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:59 AM
Aug 2016

The nuts and bolts of these campaign operations is a fascinating topic to me, since I'm in the software business and really admire how Obama harnessed data analytics and technology to drive GOTV and voter persuasion.

What glimpses did you see that led you to believe that the Clinton machine is firing on all cylinders?

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