He is a BorB guy.

Yes, he ran "anti-establishment," but it was because the rest of that electorate was so split and they don't do proportional voting over there. Trump won MANY of his primaries with PLURALITIES and not majorities.

Nobody wanted to listen to his anti-Obama bullshit for the past eight years.

He NEEDS Trump to win or his career as a victim pundit fighting "The Man" is over.

And a stupid one at that.

about 6 months.

He's a social conservative who claims he's now a progressive yet he still walks and talks like a social conservative.

he's an asshat.

Cenk was a Repub corporate lawyer making 75 K a year... Become a progressive talk show host was a good way to bank coin.

Sad

You should probably re-evaluate that post if you want any truth to it.

He left that job and stuggled to get where TYT is today.

Also, by your logic anyone that used to be a Republican is not welcome in the Democratic Party.

As to editing my post I would literally rather die. Some of us are progressive because it's the right thing to do, not for the filthy lucre.

How does this post:

Hillary just became an economic Progressive--You mean we shouldn't trust her?

There is a difference between discussion and debate among those with basically similar views and goals, and an echo chamber that only allows propaganda from one narrow perspective.

I hope DU stays in the former category and does not devolve into the latter.

I love and voted for Elizabeth Warren. Former Republican.

You may want to rethink your logic.



She was adored by Bernie fans then tossed under the bus when she supported Hillary.

Lol~

Forget the ad hominem attacks. Cenk makes many good points if you actually listen to what he said. As for his conclusion (and the similar one from Michael Moore recently), all that means is we can't get complacent and assume Hillary has it in the bag. ---> We don't need to worry about the people on the left who are saying Trump could win. We have to worry about the ones who say he can't. That's the thinking that can cost us the election.

Cenk is a Bernie of Buster so I understand his bitterness and why he wants Hillary to lose, as for Moore, I don't get his reasoning at all.

He should be doing a documentary on all the crazy, outrageous quotes from Trump during the campaign that would help us Dems win instead of going around saying Trump is going to win.

Both of these two huge disappointments are wrong however. Trump is going to lose spectacularly as the era of repug candidates winning with the racist, whites only votes is long over. Both McCain and Romney had huge white vote majorities and still lost handily.

We, the Obama coalition — African Americans, progressive whites, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, gays, women, Native Americans, sensible left-leaning and moderate independents who don't want Trump appointing the next 3-4 Supreme Court justices, and 80% if Bernie supporters who now are in the Hilary camp — we outnumber them.

Trump is not going to win with his insults and bombast. There just aren't enough racist whites to beat us despite what Cenk and Moore claim.

Good post at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512323697

We have to take the risk seriously. We are complacent at our own peril.

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That's a big chunk out of the white vote right there.

There just aren't enough of regular white repugs and racist whites to put Trump over the top. They are outnumbered.

And I don't buy the complacency argument.

Saying people are being complacent is just an opinion, doesn't make it so.

We will GOTV and Trump will lose.

- also applies to your statement, "We will GOTV and Trump will lose" -- or *anybody's* prediction of what is going to happen in November (unless maybe you believe in psychics).

I do think HRC will win. But it is not a certainty, and I don't think it serves us well to get cocky about it.

McCain and Romney both had huge majorities of the white vote and both lost.

The Obama coalition — African Americans, progressive whites, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, gays, women, Native Americans, sensible left-leaning and moderate independents who don't want Trump appointing the next 3-4 Supreme Court justices, and 80% if Bernie supporters who now are in the Hilary camp — we outnumber Trumps supporters.

The era of repugs winning with white votes only is long over. Until that party becomes something other than a white identity organization they can't win a national election. The last two presidential cycles prove that.

You can lose the popular vote and still win the presidency.

Watch the video being discussed in this thread. At the end, all the panelists show maps of possible electoral outcomes that could favor one candidate or the other. None were entirely out of the realm of possibility.

The news media wants a horse race and talk up right-leaning polls that say it's tied or even that Trump is ahead while ignoring other polls that show Hillary clearly ahead.

Don't fall for the hype.

He'll lose worst than McCain and Romney.

Everyday he's losing more voters with his attacks.

He can't help himself — witness him going after not just Khan, but Khan's wife. Women voters will just love that .

He's siding with Putin, asking the Russians to hack into our politics — treason or sedition, take your pick.

On a Sunday news program it came out he didn't even know Russia had already went into Ukraine and taken Crimea.

The Koch brothers are refusing to back him as they've declined to run anti-Hillary ads on his behalf. He himself doesn't have enough to self-fund as he did in the primaries.

His run is over. The American people are not crazy enough to elect this know-nothing, racist, anti-immigrant, woman insulting clown.

I noticed the right-wing pundits had Hillary winning, except for one person who predicted an even split.

I took Uygur's forecast in the same spirit that you did, squanderer. He is serving notice that if the Dems don't get the vote out, then Trump "the anti-establishment candidate" could prevail with so many Americans fed up with the status quo and seeking change (even if Drumpf represents the worst possible example of change imaginable).

and he's been cashing in the last few years....but he's not of our crew and I suspect he never was.

I always found him skirting (pardon the pun) the edges of misogyny.

He's just not very GOOD, either.

When the repubs are calling you a tool because your browbeating a female, well theres something wrong.

He made an ass of himself during that incident.

He has zero credibility any more.

If the weather takes a turn he just slides under his rock.

Cenk Uygur: If You Don't Think Hillary Could Get Indicted, "You Are Either Grossly Ignorant Or Lying"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/28/cenk_uygur_if_you_dont_think_hillary_could_get_indicted_you_are_either_grossly_ignorant_or_lying.html


I slayed every clown who said she would be indicted, just slayed them!!!

I didn't hear that one.

He's turning into that right wing hack who is ALWAYS wrong! What's his name again?

Did you see Post 6.

I don't know why we liberals allow ourselves to get played.

that guy who can't breathe most of the time.

But I was thinking of another guy.

There's a right wing hack who isn't always wrong?

If You Don't Think Hillary Could Get Indicted

I watch him all the time. He never said Hillary would get indicted. He actually said the opposite in that its unlikely. But if you think odds of Clinton getting indicted was 0%, then you ignorant or lying..

He said per your own post, that she could have, not that she would.

This was a witch hunt where he - and every thinking person knew it was a witch hunt - yet he still tried to make it something other than that. Even though the odds were strongly against his beliefs.

People like that remind me of folks who think of the lotto as a viable retirement plan. Sure it could happen, but that doesn't mean it's likely no matter how much you wish it would happen. You're more likely to die from an asteroid strike (seriously!) than see some vague improbable reality like that come to fruition.

Now he's doubling down on his disenchantment. It's not really all that surprising to witness.

Suck a reliable source.

I've LONG stopped watching Cenk's "Hillary-Hating" ass.

These people are more deranged than trump supporters...shame on them

Slightly paraphrasing: "The Democrats made a huge mistake picking the most establishment candidate there is in an anti-establishment year." And he said he believed Trump would win. I saw the video before I wrote my post.

His prediction today was that Trump was going to win. Trump winning is not a radical idea. According to 538 he has 49% chance of winning.

If you watch the entire video, he spent the first 9 minutes basically trashing Trump. Your OP insinuated that he was trashing Clinton, and he was butt hurt from the primary.

And you're right - he was the most anti-Trump panelist for the entire segment but apparently because he feels Hillary was a tone-deaf choice re populism in 2016, his place is under the bus.

98% of the time during the primaries

He is a reverse indicator

of being the cause of him losing his job as msnbc.

Too bad for cenk the President is at an all time high!

I have no doubt about what he will do in November.

WHY aren't YOUNG TURKS VIDEOS banned from DU? Why not start alerting on every TYT videos? Some one wanted to Ban Thom Hartmen and Mike Malloy as well. I am still waiting for people to start alerting on those posts, if they are so damn bad.

Maybe read it again, words do make sense in proper order.

What a pathetic bully.

If asked for prediction on who is going to win, and I say Trump, am a bully?

He was a total tool to the hostess.

who liked to bully around others in his youth. This by his own admission. In the back of his mind, he likes Trump's authoritarian style.

I don't trust him. He is unfair. He is against Hillary no matter what. His ties to the RT network make his suspect.

for Cenk and a number of other "progressive" heroes now taking a paycheck from Putin.

i guess being a totalitarian shill pays better

Another disappointment.

Guess they are like hired guns who take pride in being able to argue any position as long as a paycheck is waiting.

What is your "everything points" based off?

Based on the scientific polling its 50/50. I can respect if you think Hillary will win. If I had to bet money on it now, I would probably lean towards Clinton. But I would not dismiss people who think Trump could/probably will win. This is not radical idea. Almost everything right now is pointing to coin flip election and you have people on this board living in fantasy world where the possibility of Trump winning is nil.

have Hillary as the clear favorite.

The poll you're citing is extremely volitale. Trump is at 49% due to his convention bounce, which is all but gone now.

There's little doubt that the Young Turks (and BoBers in general) want Trump to win so they can say, "I told you so". You can deny it but it's as obvious as their #demexit hashtags. A fine bunch of progressives they are.

In other words, Trumps bounce. That's the high water mark for him.

McCain and Romney both had huge majorities of the white vote and still lost.

That era is over.

The Obama coalition, plus the 80% of Sanders supporters who have come over to the Hillary camp, outnumber Trumps support. He will lose spectacularly — to much of an ass hole, no way the majority of American voters are going to put that chump in the White House.

Can't wait to see all these skeptics eat a big plate of crow!

Let's not be complacent!

Some very valid points. I agree with Greta Van Susterens last word on the matter.

Too many people are being complacent and thinking that Hillary has this locked up while crushing anybody who brings up otherwise.

Presidential races tend to be very close.

Cenk is not helpful. He's more critical of Democrats then he is of Republicans, and he personally buys into and spreads the nutso Clinton conspiracies.

She's going to crush Don the Con, the worst candidate ever

Republicans are not only dangerous, but a Trump victory would set civil rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, judicial rights, etc. in a precarious situation.

This is not a joking matter.

But yes, "Don the Con" is the worst candidate ever. Not only is he an embarrassing joke, too many people are feeding on his hatred.

His potential election is not a chance I'm willing to take. And I hope to hell that you are taking this seriously as well, and will vote wisely.

She's on a roll post-convention and Debbie downers aren't helping.

She's got this

Never take anything for granted.

He was mercilessly attacking Trump on every front? I agree the Trump prediction was probably sour grapes and Cenk generally comes off as mean on TV debate/panel shows, but I don't think it hurts Hillary in the least if we don't unanimously predict a Hillary landslide.

Btw, if you don't want TYT commentary during the debates watch it on CNN or whatever. People watching it on TYT are probably wanting the commentary.

No complacency here. I'm going to work hard this election.

Before Pat Caddell went full FOX MSMBC would bring him on their show to hate Democrats from the left.

work to get Hillary and other Democrats elected. Canvas and walk door to door...

Nobody is actually going to buy this shit.
Everyday it gets worse. By the time they are done with that motherfucker he will lose every state.

"No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "
H L Mencken

Watch what happens in August.

I never thought Bush would get re-elected though.

And a death is not the only event to precipitate this. Many of Hillary's 2008 supporters were quite upset at her loss and were going to sit it out as well. Obama was doomed, the pundits predicted. But they eventually came around big time. Cenk may well be representing himself, but he certainly does not speak for all of Bernie's supporters.

However they offer no analysis to back up their predictions. Dick Morris did much the same four years ago, and it left his so-called career and credibility in ruins.

My gawd this thread has a lot of ugly hate posts. Such handwringing bug-eyed defensiveness is usually only seen from the other side when they scream about Media Matters calling out Hannity.

Cenk is not perfect. KO is not perfect. Maher is not perfect. Even the sacred cow known as Jon Stewart I recall took grief once for not acknowledging strongly enough the false equivalency on network news.

Even dare I say, Hillary herself is not perfect


Way more often than not Cenk is in the trenches fighting for most of the same issues we all care about.

Cenk claimed back in October that Trump would be the nominee. So all you DU's hating on Cenk, remember his track record.

It was fun when he got really worked up over something. (Except he has a verbal tic of saying "right?" after every other sentence. Then the other panel members start to do it too, right? Then I start to do it, right?) But last year TYT started getting a Fox/RT Democrat-hate vibe and I stopped reading/watching a lot of places because it was (to me), worse than listening to Republicans, more vicious and hateful for whatever reason.

The "anti-establishment year" idea, I see it as the same Republican anti-government rhetoric as always. Individualism over society. Cynical and highly emotional at the same time. The Democratic National Convention this years was fabulous at pointing out that we are a society, and taking back patriotism was really stickin' it to the Republicans (I cringe though, every time I hear "God Bless America" and the America's-the-greatest-country-in-the-world thing, but I guess it can't be helped -- at least nobody's obsessing about flag pins or whether or not a politician touched themselves in the right place during the national anthem anymore.)

Also, I don't understand why, when someone says that Hillary Clinton will win in November, it's "complacent" but when someone says Trump will win, that's being realistic. Saying Clinton will win automatically means you won't vote? I don't get it.

in her neighbourhood.

Long story short, Cenk needs to ween himself from the sugar rush he gets fron his diet of egregiously false Hillary memes.

Needs a hefty-helping of educating himself about the real HRC.