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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:25 AM Aug 2016

What a lot of Busters and other undecided voters are really afraid of:

That Hillary Clinton is really a lot better than they've been lead to believe due to a constant bombardment of hostile propaganda from left and right.

Admitting that she's not someone trying grab their guns, or Gramma's Social Security check, or that she's already planning to nuke Tehran, or force priests to perform abortions, would mean having to acknowledge on some cognitive level that they were wrong about her.

Which is a very painful thing to contemplate.

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What a lot of Busters and other undecided voters are really afraid of: (Original Post) geek tragedy Aug 2016 OP
Quite the opposite zipplewrath Aug 2016 #1
I agree frazzled Aug 2016 #5
to some extent, yes. I think many them are frustrated by the system but don't want to do anything Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #8
Or they've run out of things to try zipplewrath Aug 2016 #16
yes, good points Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #17
That was spectacularly well put grubbs Aug 2016 #10
"at least my concscience is clear" = "I don't want to waste my beautiful mind" nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #12
I feel sure SOME feel just like that. Others not. Hortensis Aug 2016 #15
kind of like the Tea Partiers who voted against the debt ceiling bills secretly hoping geek tragedy Aug 2016 #7
Sadly they are addicted to the sugar-high of false Internet Memes emulatorloo Aug 2016 #2
Anybody making the argument that it's OK to let an obvious sociopath sufrommich Aug 2016 #3
Yeah, pretty much. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #4
too bad there are millions of such people Fast Walker 52 Aug 2016 #9
It wasn't that they were wrong about Hillary, they were 'willfully wrong.' They were glennward Aug 2016 #6
+1, confirmation bias uponit7771 Aug 2016 #11
Or that they're afraid of admitting she was the progressive candidate the whole time. bananakabob Aug 2016 #13
K&R! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #14

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Quite the opposite
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:30 AM
Aug 2016

They are quietly hoping that everyone else will elect her so they can all go out and buy their "Don't blame me..." bumper stickers, while quietly being happy that Don the Con wasn't elected anyway.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. I agree
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:37 AM
Aug 2016

It has always struck me that these so-called "conscience" voters are just afraid of taking responsibility for anything. Clinging to purist views, they refuse to find nuance or compromise so that they don't have to be a part of the difficult, complex task of citizenship in a democracy, or accept any "blame" for the minor (or even major) digressions from orthodoxy that real leaders must inevitably take.

In other words, they cop out. Since no sane person can believe that Jill Stein can win (or even more so, should win, given her total inexperience and often confused views), the only reason to vote for her is to opt out and avoid responsibility for the outcome of the election or its inevitable consequences. They are not making a moral choice: they are simply slithering out of having to take responsibility for anything. Sissies.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
8. to some extent, yes. I think many them are frustrated by the system but don't want to do anything
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:44 AM
Aug 2016

about it except complain online.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
16. Or they've run out of things to try
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 01:20 PM
Aug 2016

People vote, they contribute, they campaign and basically they get the impression that regardless of what they do, "Yes we can" immediately turns into "no we can't" as soon as the voting is over. So they get pissed off and frustrated and express that frustration in many ways, including "protest votes". Since the vast majority of these folks don't live in "swing/battle ground" states, it feels relatively "safe". Unfortunately, it appears that protest votes don't have anymore influence on the body politic than anything else they do.

Quite honestly, at this point, I don't really care who they vote for in the presidential race. I don't think anyone is really going to convince them to vote for whatever candidate people want to push. But I DO care that they show up and potentially vote in the down ticket races where there are fewer third party choices and they might just actually vote for the democratic state senator, or whatever.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. I feel sure SOME feel just like that. Others not.
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 12:30 PM
Aug 2016

Refusal to see merit in any solutions but their own, demonizing anyone who gets in their way, inability/unwillingness to cooperate to achieve goals are strongly characteristic of extremist thought. They're really obvious. Unable to flex, these guys' problem is overcommittment to one narrow ideology and/or leader. They'd far rather ruthlessly clear the field of wannabe-friends and enemies, or (this time around) steal the election using superdelegates, than slither.

Then there are the rest who say they'd rather go "green" or some such thing than vote Democrat. And that's where I believe hypocrisy, weaseling and slithering, lack of true ideology, and above all petty resentment rule. They're really obvious too.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. kind of like the Tea Partiers who voted against the debt ceiling bills secretly hoping
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:40 AM
Aug 2016

enough people would vote for it to avoid disaster

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
2. Sadly they are addicted to the sugar-high of false Internet Memes
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:30 AM
Aug 2016

Internet Memes are very powerful in that they simplify everthing to black and white.

But some folks seem to think every Internet Meme is true.

Meme Makers don't have fact checkers.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. Anybody making the argument that it's OK to let an obvious sociopath
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:33 AM
Aug 2016

and thinned skinned narcissist like Trump anywhere near the White House because it will keep Hillary out is as insane as Trump is.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
6. It wasn't that they were wrong about Hillary, they were 'willfully wrong.' They were
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:39 AM
Aug 2016

lying to themselves and they knew it.

Same thing concerning President Obama. They never wanted him to be a good President and they still can't admit to themselves that he is. No numbers, no expressed sentiments that his has been one of the most successful Presidencies of our time is allowed. Proof is not enough. And even many who have benefited won't admit it. So, there you go.

 

bananakabob

(105 posts)
13. Or that they're afraid of admitting she was the progressive candidate the whole time.
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 11:56 AM
Aug 2016

Considering, you know, she was supporting progressive policies for nearly 25 years.

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