2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat a lot of Busters and other undecided voters are really afraid of:
That Hillary Clinton is really a lot better than they've been lead to believe due to a constant bombardment of hostile propaganda from left and right.
Admitting that she's not someone trying grab their guns, or Gramma's Social Security check, or that she's already planning to nuke Tehran, or force priests to perform abortions, would mean having to acknowledge on some cognitive level that they were wrong about her.
Which is a very painful thing to contemplate.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)They are quietly hoping that everyone else will elect her so they can all go out and buy their "Don't blame me..." bumper stickers, while quietly being happy that Don the Con wasn't elected anyway.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)It has always struck me that these so-called "conscience" voters are just afraid of taking responsibility for anything. Clinging to purist views, they refuse to find nuance or compromise so that they don't have to be a part of the difficult, complex task of citizenship in a democracy, or accept any "blame" for the minor (or even major) digressions from orthodoxy that real leaders must inevitably take.
In other words, they cop out. Since no sane person can believe that Jill Stein can win (or even more so, should win, given her total inexperience and often confused views), the only reason to vote for her is to opt out and avoid responsibility for the outcome of the election or its inevitable consequences. They are not making a moral choice: they are simply slithering out of having to take responsibility for anything. Sissies.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)about it except complain online.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)People vote, they contribute, they campaign and basically they get the impression that regardless of what they do, "Yes we can" immediately turns into "no we can't" as soon as the voting is over. So they get pissed off and frustrated and express that frustration in many ways, including "protest votes". Since the vast majority of these folks don't live in "swing/battle ground" states, it feels relatively "safe". Unfortunately, it appears that protest votes don't have anymore influence on the body politic than anything else they do.
Quite honestly, at this point, I don't really care who they vote for in the presidential race. I don't think anyone is really going to convince them to vote for whatever candidate people want to push. But I DO care that they show up and potentially vote in the down ticket races where there are fewer third party choices and they might just actually vote for the democratic state senator, or whatever.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I tend to agree
grubbs
(356 posts)I owe you a beer someday.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Refusal to see merit in any solutions but their own, demonizing anyone who gets in their way, inability/unwillingness to cooperate to achieve goals are strongly characteristic of extremist thought. They're really obvious. Unable to flex, these guys' problem is overcommittment to one narrow ideology and/or leader. They'd far rather ruthlessly clear the field of wannabe-friends and enemies, or (this time around) steal the election using superdelegates, than slither.
Then there are the rest who say they'd rather go "green" or some such thing than vote Democrat. And that's where I believe hypocrisy, weaseling and slithering, lack of true ideology, and above all petty resentment rule. They're really obvious too.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)enough people would vote for it to avoid disaster
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)Internet Memes are very powerful in that they simplify everthing to black and white.
But some folks seem to think every Internet Meme is true.
Meme Makers don't have fact checkers.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and thinned skinned narcissist like Trump anywhere near the White House because it will keep Hillary out is as insane as Trump is.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)glennward
(989 posts)lying to themselves and they knew it.
Same thing concerning President Obama. They never wanted him to be a good President and they still can't admit to themselves that he is. No numbers, no expressed sentiments that his has been one of the most successful Presidencies of our time is allowed. Proof is not enough. And even many who have benefited won't admit it. So, there you go.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)bananakabob
(105 posts)Considering, you know, she was supporting progressive policies for nearly 25 years.