2016 Postmortem

MarianJack

(10,237 posts) Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:53 PM Jan 2012

Call me nuts, but I'm starting to get a sense...

...that willard's coronation will never hapen and we'll be able to contribute to newt "open marriage" gingrich taking the thumping that he so richly deserves.

bain romney has never been a darling to the rethug base. He has also been going out of his way to figuratively shoot himself in the foot with every stupid statement that comes out of his mouth. He simply has an air of smarm that simply can't be washed off because it is just TOO ingrained.

I know that the "experts" keep singing the "bain romney is inevitable" song. The "experts" don't know their collective ass from a whole in the ground.

"Experts" told us that Nelson Rockefeller was inevitable in 1964. They said that Ed Muskie was inevitable in 1972. They forecast a tight battle between Scoop Jackson {Ugh} and Birch Bayh in 1976. John Glenn was the heavy early favorite in 1984. bush senior was heavily favored to win a second term in 1992.

Remember when Bill Bradley was going to give Al Gore a hard way to go in 2000? Remember how the Hillary vs. rudy was the predetermined matchup {with rudy's inevitable victory} in 2007?

I was a volunteer in George McGovern's campaign in 1972. I am sensing the same mood in the air as then. The only difference is that Ed Muskie was at least 10,000 times the man that bain romney is or ever will be.

I may be wrong. I probably am wrong. It won't be the "experts" that convince me that I am, though.

This election is going to be a masive self-inflicted disaster for the republican party. If there were any such creatures as republican moderates, I'd believe that they want the baggers to get a thumping so they can purge them from the party. However, since they've so fully embraced the bagger movement (which, IMHO, is just an extension of the mcsame/palin{comparison} rallies but on steroids), I don't really know where they'll go from here.

I don't really care. For the time from here to Election day my focus is to get President Obama a second term. Hopefully with the Congressional majorities that the "experts" now say is impossible.

PEACE!

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Call me nuts, but I'm starting to get a sense... (Original Post) MarianJack Jan 2012 OP

I think so too Tomay Jan 2012 #1

When I think of the possibilities of a gingrich ticket,... MarianJack Jan 2012 #8

You're not nuts. Why? Because Mittens still has to work hard to get enough delegates. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #2

You're right,... MarianJack Jan 2012 #7

I don't think the pundits care if they're right or wrong in the end. VWolf Jan 2012 #3

I think that the only "right" they care about... MarianJack Jan 2012 #6

I still think that Romney will ultimately get the nomination Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #4

Establishment choice does usually win,... MarianJack Jan 2012 #5

It would be pretty interesting to see Gingrich (somehow) snag the nomination Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #10

I think Romney still prevails although Gingrinch is making it interesting. DCBob Jan 2012 #9

This republican primary isn't a circular firing squad,... MarianJack Jan 2012 #11

None of the remaining clowns in the GOP car have a chance against Obama. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #12

I believe that President Obama... MarianJack Jan 2012 #13

Agreed. He's done better than Clinton. That's saying a lot. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #14

Good ole Birch Bayh victoryparty Jan 2012 #15

Birch Bayh! MarianJack Jan 2012 #17

Could be Santorum in the end. AlinPA Jan 2012 #16

santorum in the end! MarianJack Jan 2012 #18

Tomay

(58 posts)

1. I think so too

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:04 PM

Jan 2012

Newt shouldn't be counted out yet. I've been thinking for some time that he may still win the nomination. The Mittster has too much baggage, especially among the fundamentalists. The Repugs tend to give it to the guy that is most familiar, who's "paid his dues", and in this race that guy is Gingrich.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

8. When I think of the possibilities of a gingrich ticket,...

Reply to Tomay (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:19 PM

Jan 2012

...I have a reaction that would be indecent to mention in a public forum (nice though).

PEACE!

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)

2. You're not nuts. Why? Because Mittens still has to work hard to get enough delegates.

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:09 PM

Jan 2012

Even if he wins SC, if Gingrich comes in a strong second, and he and Santorum capture the bulk of delegates together, Mittens has a problem.

The same goes for FL where I know that Mittens has the lead. Again, the same holds true.

The big problem for the "Not Romney" candidates is that they won't appear on the Tennesee or Virginia ballots, opening the door for Romney to run away.

HOWEVER...

Ron Paul could do well in those states, further cutting down the number of delegates needed to win. Or, at least making it a tough, drawn out race for Romney where he'll have to campaign further in upcoming primaries/caucuses.

Bottom line: Mittens should be locking down this nomination much quicker than he is. He isn't. And turnout is not good, neither is enthusiasm on the Republican side.

That's bad news for Mittens.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

7. You're right,...

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:18 PM

Jan 2012

...it all comes down to delegates.

BTW, my almost 12 year old son may disagree with you about the nuts part.

PEACE!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)

3. I don't think the pundits care if they're right or wrong in the end.

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

Jan 2012

They just say what they need to say to keep the viewers watching.

It could be 80% Obama 20% Willard, and they'd find a way to call it a dead heat.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

6. I think that the only "right" they care about...

Reply to VWolf (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:16 PM

Jan 2012

...is that they want the diret deposit to go into the right account.

There is NO accountability for being wrong. There is NO standard that qualifies one to be an "expert".

PEACE!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)

4. I still think that Romney will ultimately get the nomination

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:02 PM

Jan 2012

as he is clearly the establishment's choice and what the GOP establishment wants, it usually gets............HOWEVER, the better that Gingrich, Santorum, Paul do in SC (and elsewhere), the longer it will take for Romney to fully secure the nomination and the bigger of a bruising he will take, not to mention the less time he will have time to (somehow) pivot back to the center in time for the GE. Meanwhile, Obama and the DNC can watch the show and build up their funds and oppo research for the GE.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

5. Establishment choice does usually win,...

Reply to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:14 PM

Jan 2012

...but they're overdue for an upset,

If mr. family values/open marriage gets the nomination, I think the establishment may be as silent in the GE as the "p" in phoney-baloney.

PEACE!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)

10. It would be pretty interesting to see Gingrich (somehow) snag the nomination

Reply to MarianJack (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:38 AM

Jan 2012

It would be a wild and rollicking campaign to say the least. He has so much baggage and such a nasty personality that I can't imagine moderates and indies picking him over the vastly more likely and sober Obama though.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)

9. I think Romney still prevails although Gingrinch is making it interesting.

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

Jan 2012

This GOP primary is the craziest in the history of politics.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

11. This republican primary isn't a circular firing squad,...

Reply to DCBob (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:39 AM

Jan 2012

...it's a group of idiots who are (figuratively) each playing russian roulette with all six chambers full.

The weird thing is that they keep reloading after each round.

PEACE!

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)

12. None of the remaining clowns in the GOP car have a chance against Obama.

Reply to MarianJack (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:05 AM

Jan 2012

Their baggage wouldn't fit in the back of a Suburban, much less a miniature VW bug.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)

13. I believe that President Obama...

Reply to HopeHoops (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 11:25 AM

Jan 2012

...will improve upon his 2008 margins in both the popular and electoral vote.

PEACE!

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)

14. Agreed. He's done better than Clinton. That's saying a lot.

Reply to MarianJack (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 12:03 PM

Jan 2012

The GOP is just trashing their junk with the current clown car.

They don't have a serious contender, they know it, and they'll be focused on the local races. THAT is where we need to put our effort. FUCK the GOP candidates - this is America. We're Americans. The GOP is so anti-American that it shouldn't even exist except for the fact that the Constitution allows for it.

If you don't have a copy of the Constitution by your computer, get one - they're only like $6 on Amazon. Buy a bunch and hand them out to idiots.

OTHER THINGS CLOSED MINDS THOUGHT:

1) The earth is the center of the universe

2) Flight is impossible

3) Speeds over 12.5 mph are too fast for the human brain to handle. (railroad reference)

4) The Constitution is founded on strictly Christian values. Um, no.

5) Anyone who isn't a male landholder and white should not be able to vote. Curiously, the people who wrote that also allowed for us to change it. When you hear a Republican saying he/she wants to "take us back", they're talking about a time when only whites had rights, and only male land-owners could vote. Great, eh?

6) The world is 6,000 years old. I need to go vomit now.