2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI hate to dredge up a non-story like Benghazi, but do people realize Hillary was Secretary of State?
And she didn't have control over any armed forces that could have squelched the attack on the embassy? (And that was even futile for those who could have moved in forces)
I've heard people claim that Hillary "killed" those four people in Benghazi and it's absolutely insane.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I never get an answer.
kimbutgar
(21,206 posts)Away. And how Chris Stevens refused additional security and it was all Hillary's fault.
anoNY42
(670 posts)the Secretary of State herself goes to each and every Foreign Service installation and outbuilding and personally inspects their security arrangements. Oh, and this also assumes the Secretary is an expert on securing installations...
It's nuts, if anyone knows about delegating responsibilities in an organization, it's Donald Trump. That's why his criticism of her over Benghazi is nutty...
Koinos
(2,792 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)For getting murdered there.
Fucking awesome I say.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)blm
(113,095 posts)there before, during, and after the attack. GOP knew the WH would not expose the CIA's larger operation in the region there (no WH would) and they took political advantage of that to smear it as a State Department failure.
The real documents and full set of facts won't be released by the CIA for at least a decade
.if ever.
Every GOP lawmaker knew it was a Petraeus operation within weeks of the attack - corpmedia let them run with their narrative pinning responsibility on State Dept.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204712904578092853621061838
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Whether directly involved or not. I blame folks, Ds and Rs or Is or Green, who vote for war or continuation of military action, or vote against funding to treat illness or disease, or vote against safety measures for our bridges and roads, and airplanes, and guns, responsibe for the deaths of our citizens. They all had a role, so getting a piece of the blame is justified, imo.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)HRC was one Senator out of 100 when she voted on the IWR, and clearly spelled out in plain speech that her vote was not for war, but for leverage to expand inspections. According to what you're trying to pass off as logic here, the entire Senate is responsible then, whether they voted yes or no, because the Senate held a vote on something war-related. So even the people who voted no still participated, i.e. "had a role," in the process that led to war. They share some of the blame, yes?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)In what happens in our country. They're the ones making the rules, so it's only fair they take at least some of the blame for what happens.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Or was your tactic supposed to allow you to blame everyone else with no responsibility falling on you?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And they're free to blame me; I'm cool with that.
unblock
(52,329 posts)and for that, what, 8 or 9 investigations?
republicans are obstructionist *ssholes.
as for embassy workers dying, this is sadly a routine occurrence.
politifact counts 20 attacks and 87 deaths under shrub.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/
no investigations about any of that, though. and forget beirut under reagan.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)and there was some confusion about the motives of the attackers, which the Republicans have been oddly fixated on since the attack and been badgering her repeatedly on- as if knowing that with 100% certainty would prove/accomplish........???? Benghazi is such a "nothingburger" that the Republicans have had to work overtime to try to find something scandalous about it to attack Obama and/or Clinton- and they have failed even at that and wasted a LOT of time and taxpayer money doing it. The fact that they never invested this kind of time and energy in addressing 9/11/01 is the weirdest and most scandalous thing about Benghazi IMHO.
Lunabell
(6,111 posts)And as a Bernie supporter during the primaries, I hated it when people used this argument against her. Oh, and the pantsuits. Lay off her appearance and voice tone.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Is this:
"What other Secretary of State has been called to account after an attack on an American installation in a foreign country?"
treestar
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stopbush
(24,396 posts)policies that she DID NOT VOTE ON, but that plenty of Ds in Congress did vote on, often voting for policies that are now unpopular.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)to hurt Hillary. The sad thing is that so few of them are able to do what you did, and think logically about the practicality of the accusations.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)the idea of the SOS personally running the daily operations of the passport office, the CIA operations illegally run out of the embassy, the diplomacy, cleaning and security of every one is flabbergasting. The SOS is not Superman or God, and the Benghazi flap is far more revealing about how intellectually and morally empty the republican leadership is. It's no wonder they have Trump. This is what they spend their time on? This and nearly a hundred votes to overturn the ACA?
The Republicans are idiots who have no business near the functions of government.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What is it with extravagant exaggerations these days? Unreal.
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)about how government works.
tanyev
(42,620 posts)When it didn't give Mittens the White House in 2012, it was hoped that it would deliver an impeachment. When that didn't happen, it was retooled to try and take down the most likely 2016 candidate.