2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThree f**king emails classified
and this is a big story?
Even on PBS NewsHour their correspondence tried to dissect what Hillary said and what Comey said in Congress and the "conclusion" was that Hillary "did not tell the truth" because she said none was classified while Comey said three were.
Three emails, out of 30,000!
Perhaps Hillary should just come ahead, if asked, again, and said that perhaps there were three, she may have been tired and missed the small C - or whatever it is that classified them.
And then ask for that a**hole from the House inquisition to detail the damages that were caused by her action. Details, pretty please.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)question everything
(47,487 posts)We often switch to PBS from Chris Matthews - same time in our market - so I was taken aback.
The Koch brothers influence?
calimary
(81,323 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Also, I understand the markings were in the body of the letter and not in a header in big letters like it is supposed to be. So actually she received ZERO Classified emails.
question everything
(47,487 posts)not sure exactly why, as opposed to the header.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)requested given that you have now been taken to school on the matter?
question everything
(47,487 posts)And I am glad that it gave the opportunity for many here to comment.
triron
(22,007 posts)I have. I hope many more would. She is the best bet (except for Joy whom you should email as well) to break through the false narrative being pushed by msm (Rachel is during prime time).
Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)Comey admitted it at the hearing...she should just make a commercial with his remarks and run it.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)Sadly that was in response to clarifying questions from Democrats and has not been replayed in the sound bytes.
And two of the three were deemed not classified by the State Department.
That leaves a total of ONE email out of 30,000 which was deemed classified after the fact because one or more paragraphs had a (c) embedded in them, yet was never properly marked as classified.
Mountains out of tiny molehills.
Native
(5,942 posts)I seem to recall the committee asking Comey if he was aware that the State Dept. had determined that those emails were erroneously marked, and Comey's answer was NO, HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS.
Why can't the salient points be presented more clearly?
timlot
(456 posts)They know she has been saying since summer of last year "Marked Classified". They know the three emails were incorrectly marked. Doesn't matter. If they give Trump all the negative coverage and don't give her some too it starts to look like their in the tank.
skylucy
(3,739 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Response to question everything (Original post)
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BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)when Hillary received them. Comey admitted it later - AFTER the damage was done and he was corrected by the DoS.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Clinton did make some claims that were not quite accurate, but they weren't far from the truth and there is no reason to think that she was trying to deceive anyone. She did say that she neither sent nor received any emails that were marked classified, and that turned out be a little inaccurate. There were 3 that did have markings in the body of the email that, perhaps mistakenly, identified some of the content as classified. Hardly the crime of the century to have overlooked three such emails. Perhaps her mistake was a result of her lawyers accurately assured her that none of the emails had the standard classified header.
She also said that she neither sent nor received emails that contained classified material. In Comey's opinion, dozens of emails contained classified information even though they were not marked as classified. But opinions on what is actually classified can differ, and so the "fact checkers" shouldn't just assume that Comey's opinion is correct. Moreover, it would not be surprising at all if Clinton, perhaps speaking somewhat loosely in her public statements, was using the expression "classified material" to mean "material marked classified." And then we are back to just three, improperly marked emails.
All of this is much ado about nothing IMHO.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Comey made clear the 3 emails in question were not properly marked. Reasonable to have judged them as unclassified.
question everything
(47,487 posts)without eyes glazing over.
question everything
(47,487 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Is that more work than journalists can handle? Comey couldn't continue to spread his anti-Hillary talking points under direct questioning from the Dems.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)- NO e-mails were marked classified in the proper way. No header or subject saying "classified."
- 110 were deemed "classified" by the people conducting the FBI inquiry. They don't say what departments thought they were classified. They were not marked in any way.
- 3 were "marked" classified by containing a (c) in the body of the text. Comey agreed in the house hearing that it would be reasonable that a person might not notice/understand those marks. 2 of those have been acknowledged by the state department to have been mis-marked.
So it's not good to lead with "only 3," as anyone you want to persuade will respond with "110". Then they'll add "you're lying," because misunderstandings and oversights are not part of our political discourse, it seems.
question everything
(47,487 posts)LISA DESJARDINS: That leaves two questions. Was Hillary Clinton truthful when she said none of her e-mails were marked classified? No. Three out of 30,000 were marked classified. And did she intentionally lie to Congress about that? Well, that is a matter for debate. Comey has not given an opinion.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... for unbiased reporting. I saw the DeJardin report, and was struck by it because it was the FIRST time someone on the Newshour didn't say "she lied." BUT, Lisa did report that 110 e-mails were deemed classified even though they were not "marked." It is not known what department of government thought they were classified. Anyway. The point is that the FBI labeled 110 e-mails "classified," while admitting that only 3 were "marked" classified, and 2 of those were wrongly marked classified. In the larger scheme of things it's not important, except if you're canvassing and find a fence sitter.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)which is technically classified until the day itself (and then becomes public record)
Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)Is this part of is 16 dimensional chess crap?
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)him. THis is something not one GOP Toady of M$M will point out to viewers as it shows Clinton spoke truthfully when she said she did not send or receive anything that was marked classified.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/7/1546038/-Comey-tanks-key-GOP-talking-point-admits-classified-materials-were-not-properly-marked
[blockquote style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:10px"]MATT CARTWRIGHT: You were asked about markings on a few documents, I have the manual here, marking national classified security information. And I don't think you were given a full chance to talk about those three documents with the little c's on them. Were they properly documented? Were they properly marked according to the manual?
JAMES COMEY: No. [...]
MATT CARTWRIGHT: According to the manual, if you're going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document? Right?
JAMES COMEY: Correct.
MATT CARTWRIGHT: Was there a header on the three documents that we've discussed today that had the little c in the text someplace?
JAMES COMEY: No. There were three e-mails, the c was in the body, in the text, but there was no header on the email or in the text.
MATT CARTWRIGHT: So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert about what's classified and what's not classified and we're following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?
JAMES COMEY: That would be a reasonable inference.
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Matters were made worse when for the Fox interview of Clinton they must have told Clinton to not respond specifically to charges of lying but be general. Clinton should have responded specifically to FOX's Wallace when he played the Dowdy question setting up Comey's lie (which all M$M is also doing). She should have pointed out the Cartwright's qustions put to Comey and Comey's admission (above) that none of the emails has Classfied Headers/Subject lines as required by the governing reg/manual see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512334816
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)glennward
(989 posts)classification. Did they even view the Cummings questioning of Comey?