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question everything

(47,487 posts)
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 08:03 PM Aug 2016

Three f**king emails classified

and this is a big story?

Even on PBS NewsHour their correspondence tried to dissect what Hillary said and what Comey said in Congress and the "conclusion" was that Hillary "did not tell the truth" because she said none was classified while Comey said three were.

Three emails, out of 30,000!

Perhaps Hillary should just come ahead, if asked, again, and said that perhaps there were three, she may have been tired and missed the small C - or whatever it is that classified them.

And then ask for that a**hole from the House inquisition to detail the damages that were caused by her action. Details, pretty please.

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Three f**king emails classified (Original Post) question everything Aug 2016 OP
A FACT that MSM conveniently ignores! MoonRiver Aug 2016 #1
Including PBS? question everything Aug 2016 #17
It's truly stunning. And damn tiresome! calimary Aug 2016 #2
2 of the 3 should not have been marked at all DURHAM D Aug 2016 #3
YES! MoonRiver Aug 2016 #4
The correspondent said that they were marked with a samll c at the bottom question everything Aug 2016 #18
So why have you not changed your subject line as previously DURHAM D Aug 2016 #20
Because this is how it was reported on the PBS NewsHour question everything Aug 2016 #22
please send Rachel Maddow and email about this triron Aug 2016 #35
this is crap...there were no classified emails. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #5
Please change your "Three" to "Zero". DURHAM D Aug 2016 #6
+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #13
Comey admitted that the 3 emails were NOT marked classified as required by government standards IllinoisBirdWatcher Aug 2016 #7
I wish to hell that Hillary would point this out, & didn't the State Dept. say they were mismarked? Native Aug 2016 #12
I've come to the conclusion. They have to give some negative coverage to Hillary to not seem bias. timlot Aug 2016 #8
AMEN! YES! Thank you for posting this! skylucy Aug 2016 #9
They've got nothing else. baldguy Aug 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #11
ZERO emails were classified BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #14
The press continues to butcher this story. Vattel Aug 2016 #15
Comey made clear the 3 emails in question were not properly marked. bigtree Aug 2016 #16
Thank you. Perhaps some of this exchange can be fit into an ad question everything Aug 2016 #19
Do you have a link to this? Can this be found in the Congressional Records? (nt) question everything Aug 2016 #26
Here's The Video thelordofhell Aug 2016 #34
How hard is it to read the transcripts of the hearing? unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #21
Yes, was under oath as well. MSM ignores that testimony emulatorloo Aug 2016 #28
K&R tallahasseedem Aug 2016 #23
We make our case better if we get all our facts right. LAS14 Aug 2016 #24
This was based on the report on PBS which I've always condsidred non biased question everything Aug 2016 #25
I agree that PBS is the best place.. LAS14 Aug 2016 #31
LOL!! Bill USA Aug 2016 #33
one of them was her schedule for that day Recursion Aug 2016 #27
If Obama hadn't been too clever appointing a frigging rethuglican this wouldn't be an issue now. Peregrine Took Aug 2016 #29
except that they were NOT MARKED Classified as Comey was forced to admit when CArtwrigt questioned Bill USA Aug 2016 #30
it's nice to see there were critical comments about this report on the PBS newshour site Bill USA Aug 2016 #32
But even seasoned classifiers have said that this was easy to miss by someone not familiar with glennward Aug 2016 #36

question everything

(47,487 posts)
17. Including PBS?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:02 AM
Aug 2016

We often switch to PBS from Chris Matthews - same time in our market - so I was taken aback.

The Koch brothers influence?

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
3. 2 of the 3 should not have been marked at all
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 08:12 PM
Aug 2016

Also, I understand the markings were in the body of the letter and not in a header in big letters like it is supposed to be. So actually she received ZERO Classified emails.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
18. The correspondent said that they were marked with a samll c at the bottom
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:04 AM
Aug 2016

not sure exactly why, as opposed to the header.


DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
20. So why have you not changed your subject line as previously
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:31 AM
Aug 2016

requested given that you have now been taken to school on the matter?

triron

(22,007 posts)
35. please send Rachel Maddow and email about this
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 05:41 PM
Aug 2016

I have. I hope many more would. She is the best bet (except for Joy whom you should email as well) to break through the false narrative being pushed by msm (Rachel is during prime time).

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
5. this is crap...there were no classified emails.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 08:18 PM
Aug 2016

Comey admitted it at the hearing...she should just make a commercial with his remarks and run it.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
7. Comey admitted that the 3 emails were NOT marked classified as required by government standards
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 08:28 PM
Aug 2016

Sadly that was in response to clarifying questions from Democrats and has not been replayed in the sound bytes.

And two of the three were deemed not classified by the State Department.

That leaves a total of ONE email out of 30,000 which was deemed classified after the fact because one or more paragraphs had a (c) embedded in them, yet was never properly marked as classified.

Mountains out of tiny molehills.

Native

(5,942 posts)
12. I wish to hell that Hillary would point this out, & didn't the State Dept. say they were mismarked?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 08:19 AM
Aug 2016

I seem to recall the committee asking Comey if he was aware that the State Dept. had determined that those emails were erroneously marked, and Comey's answer was NO, HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS.

Why can't the salient points be presented more clearly?

 

timlot

(456 posts)
8. I've come to the conclusion. They have to give some negative coverage to Hillary to not seem bias.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 08:40 PM
Aug 2016

They know she has been saying since summer of last year "Marked Classified". They know the three emails were incorrectly marked. Doesn't matter. If they give Trump all the negative coverage and don't give her some too it starts to look like their in the tank.

Response to question everything (Original post)

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
14. ZERO emails were classified
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:15 AM
Aug 2016

when Hillary received them. Comey admitted it later - AFTER the damage was done and he was corrected by the DoS.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
15. The press continues to butcher this story.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:31 AM
Aug 2016

Clinton did make some claims that were not quite accurate, but they weren't far from the truth and there is no reason to think that she was trying to deceive anyone. She did say that she neither sent nor received any emails that were marked classified, and that turned out be a little inaccurate. There were 3 that did have markings in the body of the email that, perhaps mistakenly, identified some of the content as classified. Hardly the crime of the century to have overlooked three such emails. Perhaps her mistake was a result of her lawyers accurately assured her that none of the emails had the standard classified header.

She also said that she neither sent nor received emails that contained classified material. In Comey's opinion, dozens of emails contained classified information even though they were not marked as classified. But opinions on what is actually classified can differ, and so the "fact checkers" shouldn't just assume that Comey's opinion is correct. Moreover, it would not be surprising at all if Clinton, perhaps speaking somewhat loosely in her public statements, was using the expression "classified material" to mean "material marked classified." And then we are back to just three, improperly marked emails.

All of this is much ado about nothing IMHO.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
16. Comey made clear the 3 emails in question were not properly marked.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:02 AM
Aug 2016
Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 21h21 hours ago
Comey made clear the 3 emails in question were not properly marked. Reasonable to have judged them as unclassified.


unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
21. How hard is it to read the transcripts of the hearing?
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:33 AM
Aug 2016

Is that more work than journalists can handle? Comey couldn't continue to spread his anti-Hillary talking points under direct questioning from the Dems.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
24. We make our case better if we get all our facts right.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:29 PM
Aug 2016

- NO e-mails were marked classified in the proper way. No header or subject saying "classified."

- 110 were deemed "classified" by the people conducting the FBI inquiry. They don't say what departments thought they were classified. They were not marked in any way.

- 3 were "marked" classified by containing a (c) in the body of the text. Comey agreed in the house hearing that it would be reasonable that a person might not notice/understand those marks. 2 of those have been acknowledged by the state department to have been mis-marked.

So it's not good to lead with "only 3," as anyone you want to persuade will respond with "110". Then they'll add "you're lying," because misunderstandings and oversights are not part of our political discourse, it seems.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
25. This was based on the report on PBS which I've always condsidred non biased
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 04:21 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/classified-emails-clinton-still-asserts-innocence-language-varied/

LISA DESJARDINS: That leaves two questions. Was Hillary Clinton truthful when she said none of her e-mails were marked classified? No. Three out of 30,000 were marked classified. And did she intentionally lie to Congress about that? Well, that is a matter for debate. Comey has not given an opinion.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
31. I agree that PBS is the best place..
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 04:38 PM
Aug 2016

... for unbiased reporting. I saw the DeJardin report, and was struck by it because it was the FIRST time someone on the Newshour didn't say "she lied." BUT, Lisa did report that 110 e-mails were deemed classified even though they were not "marked." It is not known what department of government thought they were classified. Anyway. The point is that the FBI labeled 110 e-mails "classified," while admitting that only 3 were "marked" classified, and 2 of those were wrongly marked classified. In the larger scheme of things it's not important, except if you're canvassing and find a fence sitter.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. one of them was her schedule for that day
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

which is technically classified until the day itself (and then becomes public record)

Peregrine Took

(7,415 posts)
29. If Obama hadn't been too clever appointing a frigging rethuglican this wouldn't be an issue now.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 04:30 PM
Aug 2016

Is this part of is 16 dimensional chess crap?

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
30. except that they were NOT MARKED Classified as Comey was forced to admit when CArtwrigt questioned
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 04:37 PM
Aug 2016

him. THis is something not one GOP Toady of M$M will point out to viewers as it shows Clinton spoke truthfully when she said she did not send or receive anything that was marked classified.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/7/1546038/-Comey-tanks-key-GOP-talking-point-admits-classified-materials-were-not-properly-marked



[blockquote style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:10px"]MATT CARTWRIGHT: You were asked about markings on a few documents, I have the manual here, marking national classified security information. And I don't think you were given a full chance to talk about those three documents with the little c's on them. Were they properly documented? Were they properly marked according to the manual?

JAMES COMEY: No. [...]

MATT CARTWRIGHT: According to the manual, if you're going to classify something, there has to be a header on the document? Right?

JAMES COMEY: Correct.

MATT CARTWRIGHT: Was there a header on the three documents that we've discussed today that had the little c in the text someplace?

JAMES COMEY: No. There were three e-mails, the c was in the body, in the text, but there was no header on the email or in the text.

MATT CARTWRIGHT: So if Secretary Clinton really were an expert about what's classified and what's not classified and we're following the manual, the absence of a header would tell her immediately that those three documents were not classified. Am I correct in that?

JAMES COMEY: That would be a reasonable inference.
(more)


Matters were made worse when for the Fox interview of Clinton they must have told Clinton to not respond specifically to charges of lying but be general. Clinton should have responded specifically to FOX's Wallace when he played the Dowdy question setting up Comey's lie (which all M$M is also doing). She should have pointed out the Cartwright's qustions put to Comey and Comey's admission (above) that none of the emails has Classfied Headers/Subject lines as required by the governing reg/manual see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512334816

 

glennward

(989 posts)
36. But even seasoned classifiers have said that this was easy to miss by someone not familiar with
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:44 PM
Aug 2016

classification. Did they even view the Cummings questioning of Comey?

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