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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:32 AM Aug 2016

Can Trumpism Be Defeated Along with Trump? (excerpt from Peggy Noonan column)

Peggy Noonan: “From what I’ve seen there has been zero reflection on the part of Republican leaders on how much the base’s views differ from theirs and what to do about it. The GOP is not at all refiguring its stands. The only signs of life I see are among young staffers on Capitol Hill, who understand their bosses’ stands have been rebuked and are quietly debating among themselves what policy paths will win the future.”

“Beyond that, anti-Trump Republicans treat his voters like immoral enablers of a malignant boob. Should Mr. Trump lose decisively in November they’ll lord it over everyone, say ‘I told you so,’ and accept what they imagine will be forelock-tugging apologies. Then they will get to work burying not only Mr. Trump but his issues.”

“That’s where the future of the GOP will be fought, and found: on whether Trumpism can be defeated along with Mr. Trump.”

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https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/05/can-trumpism-be-defeated-along-with-trump/
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Can Trumpism Be Defeated Along with Trump? (excerpt from Peggy Noonan column) (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2016 OP
Peggy sobered up to write this!! rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #1
I just put some of what I am about to say in another post. Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #2
I don't think "Trumpism" will go away until... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #3
Two things: Jerry442 Aug 2016 #4
The party's soul searching in 2008 and 2012 Hortensis Aug 2016 #5
Chickens meet roost Freddie Aug 2016 #6
immoral enablers of a malignant boob. C_U_L8R Aug 2016 #7
"Trumpism" Martin Eden Aug 2016 #8
Trumpism is Caesarism is l'etat, c'est moi (Louis XIV). The previous KingCharlemagne Aug 2016 #9
I had to look that up Martin Eden Aug 2016 #11
The only way Trumpism can be completely defeated is if the Peacetrain Aug 2016 #10

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
2. I just put some of what I am about to say in another post.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:42 AM
Aug 2016

The Republicans did a review of what went wrong when Rmoney lost to Obama. One of the conclusions was that they needed to diversify by a minority outreach to broaden their base. They ignored all of the recommendations of this fact finding group and went full steam ahead in the opposite direction.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
3. I don't think "Trumpism" will go away until...
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:49 AM
Aug 2016

... more people are educated on what's causing them problems. They've been deflected by right-wing propaganda for YEARS:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281823571_Corporate_Parsitology_101

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
4. Two things:
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 09:53 AM
Aug 2016

1. A whole big bunch of people are going to seriously vote for Trump.

2. They're not going to evaporate after election day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. The party's soul searching in 2008 and 2012
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:01 AM
Aug 2016

resulted in nothing more than doubling down on their white dominance base. Or as Krauthammer considered, "reaching out" to Hispanics by kicking their surrogates the illegals somewhat less would be enough to pacify them, while as for black conservatives, even reaching out was unnecessary, i.e., "America doesn't need a second Democratic Party." In other words, nothing.

As for changing its cannibalistic economic policies even a little -- that was never on the table.

A couple of people on TV last night agreed that if Trump won (won't happen of course) it would mean the end of today's Republican party and conservatism as it has been since Reagan. If he loses, it's likely to just stumble on longer.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
6. Chickens meet roost
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:11 AM
Aug 2016

The real Repugs, the base we hear so much about, care about one thing: their money and how to keep it. So they talk about "fiscal conservatism"--low taxes on the rich and little or no safety net--as an aside to the issues that really matter to a lot of Repug voters--immigration, abortion, guns. Why? Because the "fiscal conservative" view is unpopular with a huge majority of the country! The only way to get enough votes is to push social issues. Enter Trump, with huuuuge appeal to the racists and anti-immigrant folks. They know they need a candidate *like* Trump to win, they just didn't realize what they were getting.
My prediction is they will blame this loss on, again, not running a "true conservative". Someday they will actually run one and lose even worse.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
8. "Trumpism"
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 10:48 AM
Aug 2016

I think it is appropriate that Donald Trump's particularly odious brand of demagoguery be labeled with a distinctive noun, similar to "McCarthyism."

However, I hope the term Trumpism fades away after this election. We still remember and use the term McCarthyism because Joe McCarthy wielded power in our government for a number of years and badly hurt many good people. It would be best for everyone if Donald Trump's quest for power became an impotent object of ridicule rather than a hard learned lesson in the wake of destruction inflicted.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
9. Trumpism is Caesarism is l'etat, c'est moi (Louis XIV). The previous
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:29 PM
Aug 2016

versions were less gauche, but just as profoundly anti-egalitarian and anti-democratic.

I wish you would turn your post into an OP abs elaborate on its themes.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
11. I had to look that up
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:12 PM
Aug 2016

"I am the state" definitely pertains to Trump's perception of himself, and to all dictators real and would-be.

Unfortunately I don't have the inclination or time right now to elaborate on the theme of my post, but feel free to explore the related ideas and create your own OP on Trumpism.

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
10. The only way Trumpism can be completely defeated is if the
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
Aug 2016

Republicans join us in flushing them out of their party.. sometimes you just have to join hands to save someone (in this case the country)..and work together.. they will need to rebuild.

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