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CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:31 PM Aug 2016

Election 2016: Potential Map





In 2012, Barack Obama was re-elected, over Mitt Romney, by +3.86 percentage points and with 26 states, plus District of Columbia, for a total 332 electoral votes. (It was Obama 51.02% • Romney 47.16%.)

If we are in for an Election 2016, Hillary Clinton landslide, over Donald Trump, most recent polls suggest a dramatic national shift of additional Democratic support. (I've been seeing anywhere from a national +9 to +15. Since 2000, the two-party vote has varied between 96.25 to 99.00 percent. Winning by +9 is 54% • 45%. Winning by +15 is 57% • 42%. Of course, there is Libertarian Party nominee and former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson recently polling above five percent. That would mean one could reduce the two-party vote down to, say, the low-90s percentile. But the percentage-points margins, not so much the percentages, tell the story of how this map will likely shake out.)

One way to tell who will win is when the national exit polls come in. If Hillary Clinton does better with holding same-party votes (which also means doing better at winning however many crossover votes), it's likely she will also carry the independent vote nationwide. At this rate, she will win on all three counts.

Indications are that we may get a landslide of the U.S. Popular Vote by at least +10. Given there were an estimated 131 million and 129 million, from 2008 and 2012, raw votes cast for president of the United States…to get to +10 would be national shift (2012-to-2016) of +7.8 million additional Democratic Party votes.

That would definitely move the map.

Here is my estimate, as of 08.06.2016, of the potential.…

Perusal of the site 270toWin.com, those colored in a strong red will definitely carry Republican for Donald Trump (even if Hillary Clinton were to win nationally by +15). Those in strong blue are all the states which carried for Barack Obama's re-election in 2012. (To have a national Democratic shift of +6, at a minimum, would mean none of them would flip Republican.) Those in light blue are the ones poised to flip from 2012 Republican to 2016 Democratic if the national margin, for a Hillary Clinton landslide ends up, say, +10. Those not colored are states which could fall like dominoes if the popular-vote margin reaches +15. (Note: Nebraska is shown in purple. What it really is is a light blue, as in a Democratic pickup, with the state's 2nd Congressional District. That's the area of Omaha. Barack Obama won a Democratic pickup of Nebraska #02 in 2008. It tends to produce margins similar to the state of Indiana.)


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Election 2016: Potential Map (Original Post) CobaltBlue Aug 2016 OP
No way is KS in play. longship Aug 2016 #1
Please read my opening post again. CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #2
I am addressing your map, not your text. longship Aug 2016 #3
The quote is… CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #4
I saw that, my friend. longship Aug 2016 #5

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. No way is KS in play.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Aug 2016

The KS GOP is a truly embedded majority. They are also highly religious right. There's no way KS goes for Hillary. Not even close.

Paint KS deep red.
Paint SC deep red, too.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. I am addressing your map, not your text.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
Aug 2016

Why paint KS grey? It certainly is not reality. I lived in KS for 18 years and there's no way that KS is anything other than deep red. And the GOP there is deeply religiously based. That is the fact.

Sorry, if you doubt your map, why not correct it?

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
4. The quote is…
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 02:21 PM
Aug 2016
Those not colored are states which could fall like dominoes if the popular-vote margin reaches +15.



What I mean by this is this: They would be more susceptible if the national result was so ugly that a Democratic landslide is +15 or greater.

Those in red, like West Virginia and Arkansas, are ones I think Donald Trump would hold even if he loses by +15 or greater.

With the averages of percentage-points margins of all states over 2008 and 2012, Kansas was actually more within reach of Arkansas and West Virginia. (Arkansas and West Virginia have actually been … Trending Republican.)


Please keep in mind: This is not a prediction. We're still three months out. But, I'm saying it can actually get worse for the nominee of the Republican Party.

By the way: South Carolina has been no more than 3.75 percentage points Republican than Georgia over 2004, 2008, and 2012. It's about +15 percentage points more Republican than the nation while Georgia has been +12 with 2008 and 2012. These partisan indexes (as pollster Charlie Cook may refer to them) does not have to hold, like a guarantee, but the insignificant spread between Georgia and South Carolina doesn't make South Carolina seem all that impossible. After all, Georgia is looking good for a Democratic pickup. And my hunch is that South Carolina and Texas would flip at the same time as, say, Georgia and Arizona and, as another pair, Missouri and Indiana. (It has to do with margins spreads between given states having been quite close to each other.)

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. I saw that, my friend.
Sat Aug 6, 2016, 02:58 PM
Aug 2016

It's just that the data on which this map is based is very likely inaccurate polls. I mean, who in the Sam Hell is polling KS for the 2016 presidential outcome? Or SC?

So, although I appreciate your effort here, I do not agree with your map, which after all is the main presentation. I mean even your post title highlights the map!

My best to you.

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