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msongs

(67,405 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:02 PM Aug 2016

help Hawaii get rid of tulsi gabbard...Maui times endorses real progressive dem

(Hawaii dems are having a primary and its perfectly within DU rules to advocate for one dem over another in a primary_)

We can do a lot better than the opportunistic current congress person so support and vote for Shay Chan Hodges if you are in HI -2
and support from outside the district is helpful too.

Dont expect to see a debate between Gabbard and Hodges - Gabbard refuses to participate in any.

http://mauitime.com/news/politics/mauitime-2016-hawaii-state-primary-election-endorsement-guide/

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help Hawaii get rid of tulsi gabbard...Maui times endorses real progressive dem (Original Post) msongs Aug 2016 OP
Gabbard is a teabagger infiltrator! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #1
She avoids commenting on gun control issues; with no debate it will be tough getting her POV. nt MADem Aug 2016 #9
Actually she's co-sponsored multiple pieces of gun control legislation Ainaloa Aug 2016 #16
Pushed by Chan Hodges, she "co-sponsored." She didn't go there on her own. MADem Aug 2016 #32
Thanks for link ronnykmarshall Aug 2016 #11
Maui Times has a hatchet out for Tulsi Ainaloa Aug 2016 #13
Gabbard is a teabagger DINO. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #14
Gabbard is a true progressive with the record to prove it Ainaloa Aug 2016 #19
BULLSHIT! She is a wingnut teeabagger! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #20
It's extremely misogynistic to equate a woman with her father Ainaloa Aug 2016 #22
If she has such a wonderful record on LGBT issues, why in the fuck won't the Hawaii LGBT Caucus... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #23
Shay Chan Hodges is the Act Blue Candidate, the only TRUE PROGRESSIVE in Hawaii 2nd district! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #2
gabbard had fits over debate issues regarding Bernie and the DNC yet she will not debate in her own msongs Aug 2016 #3
Huuummm. Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #4
And Murphy won't debate Grayson- and no, I am decidedly not a Grayson supporter cali Aug 2016 #15
Gabbard called Obama weak for not ramping up ISIS attacks, then... JaneyVee Aug 2016 #5
She is a party troll kevink077 Aug 2016 #7
Her record says it all etherealtruth Aug 2016 #6
Look at this op Ed: joshcryer Aug 2016 #8
Don't be fooled by the lies of Tulsi's primary opponent - Tulsi is a true progressive Ainaloa Aug 2016 #21
You're on the wrong site to be pushing Gabbard. We've known for a while she's not a progressive brush Aug 2016 #30
Your link spells it out--she is NOT the best candidate in the race by a long shot... MADem Aug 2016 #10
Vendetta Ainaloa Aug 2016 #24
Kindest "hatchet" I have ever seen, particularly given her hypocritical stance on MADem Aug 2016 #31
I think Hodges supported Bernie in the primary so people will have to vote on issues... DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #12
"It might be that Tulsi supported Bernie because he was so popular in her district!" PragmaticLiberal Aug 2016 #17
Tulsi has integrity Ainaloa Aug 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author PragmaticLiberal Aug 2016 #29
beyond her support for Sanders and that she's a vet, I didn't know much about her cali Aug 2016 #18
She votes with Dems 90% of the time Ainaloa Aug 2016 #26
the op feels more like punishing her for supporting Bernie and holding off on endorsing cali Aug 2016 #27
Yup....Many probably wouldn't care about her if not for that Armstead Aug 2016 #28

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
16. Actually she's co-sponsored multiple pieces of gun control legislation
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:13 PM
Aug 2016

Tulsi has always been for sensible gun control and you can easily find her position on the issue, along with the gun control legislation that she has co-sponsored, on her website: https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25028.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. Pushed by Chan Hodges, she "co-sponsored." She didn't go there on her own.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
Aug 2016

From that NBC link I provided elsewhere in this thread:

Chan Hodges published an article on the Huffington Post on June 16, detailing the gun control bills Gabbard "declined to co-sponsor." Of the 11 bills Chan Hodges mentioned, Gabbard has since joined three as a co-sponsor on June 22, including H.R. 2380, H.R. 226, and H.R. 1745. Gabbard also gave a phone interview to a CBS-affiliate in Honolulu, KGMB, in light of the House sit-in for common sense gun control laws, which she tweeted during using the hashtag #NoBillNoBreak.



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/longtime-fighter-shay-chan-hodges-takes-hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-n599371

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
13. Maui Times has a hatchet out for Tulsi
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:04 PM
Aug 2016

Give me a break. Maui Times is a conservative rag that endorsed Mufi Hanneman against Tulsi Gabbard back in their primary in 2012. Mufi was a corporate-owned, anti-environment, pro big business, egotistic loser and that's who Maui Times wanted to win. He lost BIG TIME to Tulsi and Maui Times has had it in for Tulsi ever since. Tulsi's opponent, Hodges does not even have a remotely credible campaign (she's raised around $3,000), has not taken any constructive stands on the issues, and continually tries to smear Tulsi (a true progressive) and lie about her record and positions on the issues.

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
19. Gabbard is a true progressive with the record to prove it
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:40 PM
Aug 2016

Why the lies about Tulsi's record? Tulsi has a progressive Democrat 'lifetime' rating of over 90% and votes with Democrats 90% of the time. https://ballotpedia.org/Tulsi_Gabbard#Analysis

She's pro environment, pro LGBT, against TPP, pro breaking up the big banks, pro universal healthcare, against interventionist warfare, pro criminal justice reform, etc. She's also endorsed by progressive organizations like Human Rights Campaign, Emily's list, Sierra club, labor unions, Vote Vets, and Ocean Champions.

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
22. It's extremely misogynistic to equate a woman with her father
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:58 PM
Aug 2016

Hillary Clinton's father was an open bigot who referred to minorities with racial epithets. Shall we all hold her accountable for her father's views? Are we in the 21st century or do we still consider women to be extensions of their fathers?

Tulsi is her OWN person and has a proven track record on LGBT. As far as her religion goes, personally I'm for freedom of religion, freedom from religion and everything in between. In the world I live in, attacking a person's religion out of ignorance and/or intolerance is called religious bigotry, plain and simple.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
23. If she has such a wonderful record on LGBT issues, why in the fuck won't the Hawaii LGBT Caucus...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:00 PM
Aug 2016

endorse her?

msongs

(67,405 posts)
3. gabbard had fits over debate issues regarding Bernie and the DNC yet she will not debate in her own
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:11 PM
Aug 2016

contest

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. Gabbard called Obama weak for not ramping up ISIS attacks, then...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:14 PM
Aug 2016

Calls Hillary a warmonger for saying we will defeat ISIS.

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
21. Don't be fooled by the lies of Tulsi's primary opponent - Tulsi is a true progressive
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:54 PM
Aug 2016

That 'op-ed' is nothing more than a mud-slinging campaign piece written by Tulsi's primary opponent, Shay Hodges. Since Hodges has nothing positive to stand for, she wastes everyone's time by lying about Tulsi's record. As I mentioned earlier, Tulsi is a solid progressive with a solid progressive record. Hodges' attempt to link Tulsi with Sheldon Adelson is pathetic, since as an active Congressional rep Tulsi has photos taken with literally thousands and thousands of people. Adelson is a billionaire and yet has never given a single penny to Tulsi. Tulsi is also strongly for gun control (https://www.votetulsi.com/node/250280, again proving Hodges is lying. For refugees, Tulsi introduced a religion calling on the U.S. to take in more refugees victimized by ISIS.

brush

(53,776 posts)
30. You're on the wrong site to be pushing Gabbard. We've known for a while she's not a progressive
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:05 PM
Aug 2016

She appears on FOX regularly bashing Obama and other Dems.

Neither you or her are fooling us here.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. Your link spells it out--she is NOT the best candidate in the race by a long shot...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 04:36 PM
Aug 2016

And talk about great big honking HYPOCRISY!!!!


We’ve long endorsed Democrat Tulsi Gabbard for this job, and for the most part we’ve been happy with her work as the Second District’s Congressional Representative. But lately we’ve become less than thrilled with the solidness of her support for same-sex marriage (the Hawaii Democratic Party LGBT Caucus has refused to support Gabbard for this reason) and her complete (and, to be honest, insulting) refusal to debate Shay Chan Hodges, her primary challenger–the latter of which is especially galling, since as a staunch Bernie Sanders ally and supporter, she criticized the Democratic National Committee for not scheduling more debates with Hillary Clinton.

As far as Chan Hodges is concerned, she’s an author and longtime Democratic Party activist (she even contributed an essay to MauiTime a few years ago). “As a parent, I manage the realities of satisfying basic human needs every day– which should certainly be a requirement for anyone who represents our citizens at any level of government,” Chan Hodges said in her MauiTime candidate questionnaire. “As a working parent, I provide both care and financial support for my kids and family. I LIVE the day-to-day issues and navigate the practical realities that working families in our state face when it comes to education, healthcare, housing, substance abuse, keeping our families safe, and of course, the economy.”

On the whole, we like Gabbard, but we love Chan Hodges, which is why we’re giving her the nod.

MITIGATING FACTOR: Gabbard has been a consistent voice against committing U.S. troops to fight more unwinnable wars, and that’s been a very good thing.

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
24. Vendetta
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:05 PM
Aug 2016

As i mentioned earlier, the Maui Times has had a hatchet in for Tulsi ever since they endorsed her primary opponent, Mufi Hanneman, in the 2012 election. Maui Times endorsed a man who was pro big business, had an atrocious record on the environment, who worked for a multi-national corporation as a lobbyist, etc. Now they are endorsing Hodges over Tulsi so that should tell you a lot of Hodges! Interestingly, Mufi had a solid reputation as a mud-slinging candidate which destroyed his political career in Hawaii. Looks like Hodges decided to follow in his footsteps - with the help of Maui Times yet again. At this point, I'd say whoever DOESN'T get the endorsement of Maui Times is obviously the true progressive, since they are such a conservative rag.

BTW the argument about debates is ridiculous because no organization or TV station even set up a single debate or invited the candidates, since Hodges is so insignificant she's not even on the radar.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Kindest "hatchet" I have ever seen, particularly given her hypocritical stance on
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:34 PM
Aug 2016

both debates and the fifteen dollar minimum wage (she was for ten dollars and ten cents a short while ago...so, what evs, as the kids say). Also, her family history of rabid conservatism, particularly on social issues, bodes ill, and I do trust the LGBT community to appreciate who is with them, and who is not--they're not feeling her....and that has nothing to do with the Maui Times. That write up was not a vendetta at all, it was simply a "We think this other candidate is a more AUTHENTIC 'liberal' " -- and I agree with them.



Anyone supporting her should know a little something about her background--it's an eye opener, IMO--lots of cited material and links here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1/20/1056467/-

I am, of course, not a HI resident, but if I were, Gabbard would NOT have my vote.

As for Chan Hodges, she's a published author, so she's not completely unknown.

And she's managed to force Gabbard to break her rather stony silence on gun control issues, too. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/longtime-fighter-shay-chan-hodges-takes-hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-n599371

Anyone who was in favor of Sanders pushing Clinton to the left should also be in favor of Chan Hodges doing the same to Gabbard. Fair's fair, after all.


All that said, Chan Hodges' candidacy is certainly a long shot, but of the two, I find Chan Hodges more appealing.






DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
12. I think Hodges supported Bernie in the primary so people will have to vote on issues...
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 05:39 PM
Aug 2016

I think Hodges' platform comes across as more progressive than Tulsi's, who seems to be a centrist regardless of who she endorsed. It might be that Tulsi supported Bernie because he was so popular in her district!

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
17. "It might be that Tulsi supported Bernie because he was so popular in her district!"
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:26 PM
Aug 2016

That thought has crossed my mind as well.

Personally, I think Tulsi saw "the Sanders Wave" and jumped on the board.

I'm not going to call her a Republican or anything like that, but I wouldn't describe her as a true "Sanders Democrat" either.


Ainaloa

(16 posts)
25. Tulsi has integrity
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:08 PM
Aug 2016

That is ridiculous. When Tulsi stepped down from the powerful (and biased) DNC to endorse Sanders, his campaign was on a downward trajectory. Her endorsement breathed new life into his campaign and greatly energized it. Everyone knew his chance of winning was slim. The fact that Tulsi did what she did shows she is a person who stands for what she believes in and acts from the heart, rather than political expediency like so many other people in office.

Response to Ainaloa (Reply #25)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. beyond her support for Sanders and that she's a vet, I didn't know much about her
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:34 PM
Aug 2016

Here's some info:

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/G000571

https://www.votetocracy.com/congressmen/114/412532/representative-tulsi-gabbard/voting-record


btw, Progressive Punch gives more dem reps an "F" than any other grade.

http://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house&party=D&sort=crucial-lifetime&order=down&x=20&y=15

Her record appears to be mixed. And not all votes are equal. We all have issues we weigh as more important than others. So she's not so good on gun control. She's good on the TPA (from my pov). She's good on transparency and privacy issues. She voted yea on the Iran deal.


http://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house&party=D&sort=crucial-lifetime&order=down&x=20&y=15

I don't know if I'd support her or not- depends on her challenger.

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
26. She votes with Dems 90% of the time
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:09 PM
Aug 2016

Well the "method" of Progressive Punch is obviously biased and ridiculous. She has progressive stands on the issues and votes Dem 90% of the time. That's what matters.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. the op feels more like punishing her for supporting Bernie and holding off on endorsing
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:15 PM
Aug 2016

HRC than liberal concern for her record.



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