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Steve Kornacki Outlines Current Electoral Map On MSNBC: 390 Hillary - 148 Orange Con Man (Original Post) onehandle Aug 2016 OP
just a tad over optimistic? hmmm nt msongs Aug 2016 #1
Not really Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #8
MO is optimistic too Renew Deal Aug 2016 #30
Nate Silver has South Carolina Blue MFM008 Aug 2016 #9
Yes then you will figure there is no urgency to get out and vote! GOTV people Person 2713 Aug 2016 #22
Looks like my map. RandySF Aug 2016 #2
Missouri and Utah? I don't know about that, at least right now. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #3
Speculation about Utah was dflprincess Aug 2016 #10
I saw a reporter on msnbc leftynyc Aug 2016 #37
The McMuffin guy could win Utah bluestateguy Aug 2016 #4
Maybe... Democrats Ascendant Aug 2016 #6
Hard to say. It is a crap shoot. Doesn't matter that much actually. yellowcanine Aug 2016 #20
but do not forget the nude pictures of... chillfactor Aug 2016 #7
Utah still polled Bush at 90+% when the rest of the country had him at 30%. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #28
This is Democrats Ascendant Aug 2016 #5
I really want to see Texas turn blue. KMOD Aug 2016 #14
I would too, but it would be VERY expensive Rstrstx Aug 2016 #32
Hillary is not winning Utah and Georgia oberliner Aug 2016 #11
Georgia is plausible. The demographics trend is going our way. Zynx Aug 2016 #12
Georgia has pretty strict voter ID laws oberliner Aug 2016 #13
Georgia is certainly possible. KMOD Aug 2016 #16
Fools gold redstateblues Aug 2016 #15
Current polls show Hillary +7 in Georgia relayerbob Aug 2016 #17
I think a lot of people are underestimating our prospects in Arizona. StevieM Aug 2016 #18
Georgia is a possibility. SaschaHM Aug 2016 #19
2008 Georgia: John McCain 52.10% • Barack Obama 46.90% (R+5.20) CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #31
Actually the 538 Nowcast has Hillary winning Georgia, Arizona, and SC (barely) yellowcanine Aug 2016 #21
Right now it's looking very possible that Georgia will go blue! csziggy Aug 2016 #25
I wouldn't have considered leftynyc Aug 2016 #38
Donald will definitely get a nice thrashing in November axiom3 Aug 2016 #23
Regardless Miigwech Aug 2016 #24
I don't have Utah flipping, but I do have Missouri, Indiana and Georgia flipping Feeling the Bern Aug 2016 #26
I can hear Trump now bragging that he beats Hillary in Arkansas.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #27
Blue Arizona DesertRat Aug 2016 #29
From his showing to the BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #33
I like his map. st17011864200074656 Aug 2016 #34
Be safe and take away MO AZ and GA. Heck NC too. And guess what? whatthehey Aug 2016 #35
This makes me smile Gothmog Aug 2016 #36

Johnny2X2X

(19,211 posts)
8. Not really
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:16 PM
Aug 2016

The only 2 states that are optimistic are AZ and GA. With McMullin in the race, Utah will hit to Hillary. Also, SC is in play and so is MS.

MFM008

(19,826 posts)
9. Nate Silver has South Carolina Blue
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Aug 2016

So think 1984.
Mondale lost all states but Minnesota.
And Mondale was a good guy not a mental case.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
22. Yes then you will figure there is no urgency to get out and vote! GOTV people
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:45 PM
Aug 2016

We got this
Only if we vote

dflprincess

(28,086 posts)
10. Speculation about Utah was
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Aug 2016

because Herr Trump has insulted Mitt Romney and, while a Mormon may knock on your door and try and convert you, they're not big on religious persecution as they've been on the receiving end of that. His attitude toward Islam may be something that hits a tad too close to home for many Mormons.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. I saw a reporter on msnbc
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:37 AM
Aug 2016

who writes about the Mormons and he mentioned several reasons don the con got clobbered in UT in the primaries - thrice married, his vulgarity and exactly what you mentioned - the religious persecution that is very much part of Mormon history here in the US.

yellowcanine

(35,702 posts)
20. Hard to say. It is a crap shoot. Doesn't matter that much actually.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:20 PM
Aug 2016

Because Hillary doesn't need Utah and Utah is not going to put Trump anywhere close to 270.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
32. I would too, but it would be VERY expensive
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 01:55 AM
Aug 2016

Unfortunately the Republicans will probably spend every last dime they have to to keep the state red, so much so that it makes little sense for Democrats to spend money in the state when it would pay off much higher dividends elsewhere.

Flipping Arizona would make a lot more sense - it's cheaper, has as many nutjobs per capita that need to be removed from office and offers (slightly) better demographics. If successful a blue Arizona could serve as a kind of a master blueprint for conquering its larger relative further down the line.

In the meantime I think the most likely way to wrestle the state out of Republican hands is with an independent run for governor by someone like Cuban, who could do a lot of good by just vetoing the nonsense that comes down the pike. I think there's a good pro-business case to be made to the soccer moms in Frisco that the cuckoo Repubs are risking the future of the state by wasting our money peeping into toilet stalls, mandating fetal funerals, turning down free Medicaid money, and inundating our federal government with endless frivolous lawsuits. The fervent Republican base is way too stupid to see those issues for the big red flags they are, and with the right candidate it could catch them with their pants down.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
12. Georgia is plausible. The demographics trend is going our way.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:47 PM
Aug 2016

The state's only 55% non-Hispanic white.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
18. I think a lot of people are underestimating our prospects in Arizona.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:11 PM
Aug 2016

At least with Trump on the ticket.

If we can win by 8 points nationally then I think we will win Arizona by 1 point.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
19. Georgia is a possibility.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:17 PM
Aug 2016

Barack Obama lost the state with 45% of the vote in 2012 while losing white women by 14 points. Hillary is currently running ahead of Trump with that group.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
31. 2008 Georgia: John McCain 52.10% • Barack Obama 46.90% (R+5.20)
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 01:52 AM
Aug 2016

Georgia was one of three (out of 22) states carried by John McCain, in 2008, in which Barack Obama carried the female vote—54%. (That was actually better than what Obama received in Democratic pickup states Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.)


There were five (out of 22) McCain states in which the white voters’s size of the vote times their McCain/Republican support was not enough for immediate carriage: Missouri, Montana, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas.

csziggy

(34,139 posts)
25. Right now it's looking very possible that Georgia will go blue!
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 12:20 AM
Aug 2016
AJC poll: Hillary Clinton has slim lead over Donald Trump in Georgia
August 6, 2016

Democrat Hillary Clinton has built a slim lead over Donald Trump in Georgia after one of the worst weeks of the Republican’s campaign, and the Libertarian presidential ticket cracked double-digits, according to a new Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll.

The poll released Friday shows Clinton at 44 percent and Trump at 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup, within the poll’s margin of error. It is the latest showing a close race between the two candidates in Georgia, a state that has voted for the GOP nominee since 1996.

In a four-way race, Clinton led Trump 41-38, followed by Libertarian Gary Johnson with 11 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein with 2 percent. When including which candidates voters “lean” toward, Clinton led Trump 43-39, and Johnson netted 12 percent.
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/05/ajc-poll-hillary-clinton-has-slim-lead-over-donald-trump-in-georgia/


August 08, 2016, 10:37 am
Georgia poll: Clinton leads by 7 points

By Jesse Byrnes

Clinton leads Trump by 7 points, 44 to 37 percent, in the JMC Analytics poll released Monday, with Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson taking 7 percent.

Another 10 percent of respondents were undecided, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein registered just 1 percent support in the poll.

Clinton leads Trump, 84 to 6 percent, among black respondents, while Trump leads her among white respondents, 52 to 25 percent.

Clinton also holds a big advantage among women, 48 to 35 percent, while men are more evenly split, 41 to 40 percent, in favor of Trump.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. I wouldn't have considered
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 09:40 AM
Aug 2016

AZ before this new independent guy got in. Arizona has A LOT of Mormons and they really don't like don the con. If we can get the cons to split their votes between donnie and this new guy (sorry, I don't care enough to look up his name again), Hillary maybe could squeak by.

 

axiom3

(54 posts)
23. Donald will definitely get a nice thrashing in November
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:52 PM
Aug 2016

At this rate, I fully expect a massive landslide victory for Hillary, with her possibly obtaining over 400 electoral votes, carrying several traditionally red states such as AZ and SC. Her margin of victory would probably be similar to what GHWB had over Dukakis in 1988.

Honestly, Trump is such an utter prick that it would be more fitting for him to obtain the same amount of votes McGovern and Mondale did.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
26. I don't have Utah flipping, but I do have Missouri, Indiana and Georgia flipping
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 12:35 AM
Aug 2016

I agree with the rest though.

Too bad I'm not a pundit on TV, because if you're just someone normal, you'll get called an idiot for making predictions like this.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
33. From his showing to the
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 03:38 AM
Aug 2016

results in November!

Some of those states that are currently shown in red are gradually lightening in color. Some could even turn blue with Trump as the candidate, especially in the more sparsely populated Western states where Gary Johnson will siphon off some GOP votes from Trump.

We need to wholeheartedly support the Clinton-Kaine ticket in EVERY way that we can.

34. I like his map.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 04:48 AM
Aug 2016

But probably 347-191 is the most likely outcome at this stage though more blue is always better.

GOTV!

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
35. Be safe and take away MO AZ and GA. Heck NC too. And guess what?
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:55 AM
Aug 2016

We can still lose OH and FL on swing state chicanery and still win. You don't get to be "President Plus" with 390 as opposed to 291.

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