2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan we take a minute to just applaud Hillary for the great campaign she is running?
I am amazed at her poll numbers and i was so impressed with the convention. They are staying on target and being super disciplined about their message.
She and Tim Kaine are doing a great job and should be congratulated for not getting distracted by bullshit. Or worse creating BS like Trump does.
I know the media has really made this about Trumps failure and less about Clinton's success, because that's a narrative that sells well. But I think that's bullshit. She's winning not just because Trump sucks, but because they are insanely hardworking and disciplined people.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(145,242 posts)LisaM
(27,811 posts)I'd like to also applaud the genius team that puts together her Tweets.
Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)I don't think I could do it.
Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)romana
(765 posts)She made a great choice in Robby Mook. The media has spent a lot of time trying to insist her campaign is in disarray, but it's obviously not. They've been very disciplined. She learned her lessons from 2008 well.
landolfi
(234 posts)is occurring because he is not a hardworking and disciplined person. Quite the opposite.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)She needs to answer questions about emails all day--every day!!
Benghazi!
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pnwmom
(108,978 posts)I can't wait to see her debate him -- but I'm afraid he'll chicken out.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)And then the country can listen to him try to explain why skipping debates isn't cowardly.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)clearly and openly. She has clarified, for example, her attitude toward the TPP trade agreement. Despite all comments to the contrary made by many, she opposes it now, will oppose it after the election and will oppose it as President. She stated that unequivocally in public. I think there's no doubt about those plans.
Anyone curious about her positions on other issues can simply go to her website and look them up. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
You can read her positions and plans right there. There's nothing hidden about it.
She continues her campaign appearances, speaking to the public openly, honestly and sincerely. That is why her poll numbers are rising, and Donald Trump's are sinking. Trump lies, blusters and wanders from subject to subject. Hillary speaks about her plans for this country, without unnecessary drama or outrage.
Hillary Clinton is running a presidential campaign. She's doing it in a focused, directed way. That is why she will move into the White House in January, while Trump disappears into his high rise apartment to live in the luxury to which he is accustomed.
GOTV for Hillary! Please!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,120 posts)I was waiting for that and heard her say it yesterday. It will help spur the economy as well as improve quality of life.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)As a woman that works just as much as my male coworkers that hasn't taken a single vacation or sick day in over a decade, given the fewer hours most of my other female coworkers work, we would all have to have a pay cut to cover their increase in pay which isn't fair given how they typically refuse to work the reasonable six days a week, ten hours a day most people do here. They would make much more per hour than I do.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,120 posts)Since women make up the majority of the workforce, and the corporate pay scale is way out of wack and top heavy, pay equity would be a needed jolt to our stagnant economc growth. Don't forget how greedy those at the tippy top can be.
And once it becomes obvious that paying higher salaies actually spurs economic growth, there ought to be enough leverage to force CEO's and upper management everywhere to equitably share with their successful company's employees the benefits of all of their contributions.
And prove once and for all the failure of trickle down.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,956 posts)...and she's not taking it for granted.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)She is beating Chump by just a few percentage points. It ain't over yet!
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)What polls are you reading?
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)And she was ahead by 3 1/2 percentage points. I saw the LA Times one and it had her ahead by only one percentage point, but I don't believe that one.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Getting out of the way by letting Chump dig himself a deeper hole. I guess that's good.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Give her credit for running an exemplary campaign. That's a huge part of her success, just as it was when she defeated Sanders in the primary. Trump and his screw ups had nothing to do with the fact that she beat Sanders by 13 points.
spooky3
(34,452 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)But she is still a somewhat flawed candidate. Not as flawed as Trump or Cruz or Rubio or...
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spooky3
(34,452 posts)The vast majority of people who dislike her cannot point to actions she has taken that can account for it. For example, if they don't condemn men who have taken the same policy positions, then those positions cannot account for their feelings about her.
The millions of RW dollars spent attacking her, with media that either are complicit or fail to challenge attacks that should be challenged, are a huge factor.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Plus, her successes have never gotten media attention. The REPUKE lies do, though.
Those lies saturate the public consciousness, so that people grow a hatred based on osmosis.
I know I was affected by the lies plus lack of awareness of her accomplishments. Those lies can overshadow the facts, even when we know the reality..(or, maybe better to say, "knew"
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)then she must be running an outstanding campaign to overcome that handicap so decisively.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Just not into the whole media - republican -smear thing. She will do some good things for people. She has already. Not every prez. is going to be a rock star you know. She will do fine.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)She is no more flawed than any other politician.
You're regurgitating 30 years of the RW tearing her down.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)She is doing fine.
Cary
(11,746 posts)BFD. HRC is our nominee, for good reasons.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Whatever it takes to withhold her any credit.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)electoral votes and that she has at least twice his electoral votes and probably a lot more than that, right?
She's cleaning Donald's clock.
But I understand. Some people just can't allow themselves to believe that fact. It makes them feel all icky.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)She's been extremely disciplined and on message while Trump is acting out. She is staying above the fray while the media and Trump's own party take him to task for the insane things he says.
It's been systematic. Every day she is making the case to the country of why she should be President and every day Trump shows America why he should never be allowed near the White House. It's the long game and she's showing patience and a great work ethic. This will build and build for her.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)She might MAKE this a wave election, where it might not have been before. Nearly every force, from the GOP to the media to Russia, has aligned against her, and she keeps going. That's why she's the candidate I've been supporting since 2008!
HRC deserves a standing ovation for her campaign, IMO.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Of course, because she's a woman, she will work twice as hard and get half the credit. The media story will be about Trump imploding, all the way through and past the election. I'll be surprised if they EVER congratulate her for the incredibly disciplined, smart, and organized campaign she's run.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Trump, on the other hand, can't keep from stepping on his own dick.
calimary
(81,267 posts)I'm so proud of Hillary and her campaign. WHAT A CONTRAST she provides! Can anyone, seriously, still claim there's no difference between the parties? Or that there's any difference between the two main candidates?
It proves all kinds of things: how smart she is, how smart a campaign she's waging, how wise it is to trust the professionals rather than the know-nothings who think they can just swoop in and mouth off and the magic reality-show publicity machine will carry them across the finish line? How much she knows, and how many specifics she knows, about the issues? How much hands-on experience - the kind you need for a job like this, that SHE has, and that he DOESN'T? What a flake he is? How flighty and unstable he is? How much impulse control he DOESN'T have? How stable and cool/calm/collected she is, particularly under pressure, while he flies off the handle at the slightest perceived affront?
Remember the slogan "It's The Economy, Stupid"? Well, now we have "It's The Temperament, Stupid".
Does ANYBODY have ANY doubt, by now?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm about ready to pull the plug on watching news.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)mcar
(42,331 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)Given what she is running against she could easily dial it back but she is not which is very admirable.
She is an amazing lady. Seems to me she has been on the go since the early 90's and probably before that but it was the early 90's when she went national. She hasn't lost a step or enthusiasm after being in the spot light all these years thru all of the crap republicans have thrown at her. She is going to be an excellent President of the United States.
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)Hillary has done this so many times before, she knows exactly how this works.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)TRoN33
(769 posts)Hillary are practically taking the cakewalk all the way in her return to the White House. She doesn't have far more respectable opponent to face off against for this elections, obviously. She have to face off against Vladmir Putin's own jag off b*tch.
Sad.
(This post doesn't contain any insults or hurt anyone feeling at all. This is the fact in the reality)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Not need to lie, rant and go off the wall remarks. She is trustworthy in her speeches and is staying on point. The convention was great and enjoyable.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Because. . .
we ain't seen nothing yet.
As good as she is doing now, it won't even touch what she has coming up.
I did not support Secretary Clinton in the primaries, but I can say without any doubt whatsoever that she will lead this party to a watershed victory in November.
Vote Blue
From White House to Utilities Board.
Kaleva
(36,301 posts)Focused, dedicated, hard working, knowledgeable about the issues, surrounds herself with highly competent people...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...But then they took for granted that Trump would never get so far, and so they weren't prepared to fight back when he slipped past their guard. Hillary's had spent her whole political life learning how to deal with heavy-hitting opponents, some that rightly knocked her down and some that cheated and slipped past her guard. She knows that no matter how much your opponent fumbles, you keep moving, keep punching and keep up your guard. Because it only takes one lucky punch to change the outcome.
Which is to say, I agree completely. She's running a tight ship with this campaign, and she's not going to let anything, not even Trump's failures, distract her from winning this match.
glennward
(989 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Much better than 2008. She's learned some of the mistakes from that campaign. I think she is held to an unfair higher standard though. Anderson Cooper made a good point about her messaging. Trump has his "Make America Great Again" slogan. Barack Obama had "Change We Can Believe In" Hillary has "I'm with Her". The messaging could be better. When I think of Hillary I can't think of a clear message. It seems like she's got the "Stronger Together" thing going now but I think her messaging could've been much better earlier on.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I'd say it's pretty solid.
Earlier on? Only geeks like us were paying attention. That's over now. Her messaging is strong.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I sure wish there wasn't all this background chatter about emails and the Clinton Foundation, but you can't have everything
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,256 posts)It has gotten so ridiculous, she barely needs to say anything - her opponent keeps opening his mouth and looking the fool!! Haha
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)They will not falter or slow.
Joisey Boy
(55 posts)for the Open Mouth, Insert Foot campaign he's "running."
Skittles
(153,160 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)spooky3
(34,452 posts)Should I tell them to smile, so that they'll look more attractive?
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)spooky3
(34,452 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Marthe48
(16,960 posts)I'm sick of seeing Trump's failure broadcast nightly. I would like to see Ms. Clinton's and Mr. Kaine's successful, adult stumping, but guess we won't get to see much of that.
Fenris
(30,414 posts)I noticed it during the primaries, too. In 2008 she seemed at times to get easily flustered and react in a way that didn't always benefit her. She seems quite cool now, though, and is content to sit back and watch Trump bury himself. It's the only strategy that works with people like him.
jambo101
(797 posts)Cool, calm, professional,competent,focused.
Trumps campaign= ,childish,full of hate,disorganized,desperate,incompetent.
And clear signs of how they would run the country.
EV_Ares
(6,587 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)Robby Mook, among others, is top-flight.
Hillary's campaign really has it together.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)She's running a great campaign!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)AND her campaign. She's the lead in a campaign composed of many smart, accomplished and able people.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)skill is necessary to be pulling ahead of Trump?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Senate- and turning red states blue! You should be singing her praises because she was the candidate who could do all that.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)You are a true believer, and so I am not surprised you attribute her big lead to her excellence as a candidate. She has run a good campaign IMHO, and obviously Trump's various blunders have helped her a lot. But, hey, if you want to believe that Clinton's brilliance as a candidate is wholly responsible for her lead, that's fine with me.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)She is delivering a rout that no other candidate could have delivered. She alone fought in complete opposition to the bigotry and xenophobia that exemplifies the modern GOP's approach. You ought to thank your lucky stars for her "true believers" for saving this nation from Trump.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Counterfactuals are to prove one way or the other, but I think a well-trained monkey could beat Trump.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Primary. And people are now predicting unprecedented gains in the house and senate. Two third of Dem voters put her there for good reasons- her priorities are our priorities. Well trained monkey my ass.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)She is doing a great job campaigning. I am sure that has a good effect down ticket. Trump is also helping with that. How much of the credit goes to her and how much goes to Trump is debatable.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Promise huge "change" voters know cannot be delivered would be a hell of a lot less inspiring to voters. She is increasing turnout and pulling in women from the GOP and it's unprecedented - all because of who she is.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)She has run a flawless campaign and right now she is cleaning Donald's clock in electoral votes, which is where she needs to beat him.
She got where she is after decades of battling those who are out to destroy her AND those who work against her by damning her with faint praise. Some of them right here in this thread! No, really, some people actually do that!
But hey, if you want to believe that this woman got herself to the door of the oval office by dumb luck, it's pretty clear that the fact of her excellence is not going to penetrate your "thinking."
Vattel
(9,289 posts)She is lucky to have an absurdly weak opponent in the general.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Why is it so hard to accept that the majority of the electorate has chosen and is choosing Hillary Clinton?
As far as tRump goes, he isn't saying anything different than what other republicans have been saying for years. Those aren't blunders, that really is the republican mindset.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)As for Clinton, she did win the primary, which is hardly surprising. And barring something really weird happening, she will win the general. I hope she is a good president. I disagree with her about a lot of things, but I tend to rely on evidence and logic for my opinions, which puts me well outside of the mainstream.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" I tend to rely on evidence and logic for my opinions...."
Then no doubt, you'll supply us with objective evidence which may be interpreted only as her success is due in large part to Trump's incompetence (your premise) rather than her talent( evidence and logic, as you so allege), yes?
Or will goalposts be moved and rationalizations offered, regardless of the self-congratulatory locations outside of a diaphanous and irrelevant mainstream?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)spooky3
(34,452 posts)I'd say skill is required.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)take to get anything done. She took in the Bernie input commendably well, I think, and made it her own.
And I like Tim Kaine.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Great campaign! A knowledgeable and steady hand. So intelligent! She is doing a great job. Go Clinton-Kaine!
tavernier
(12,388 posts)Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)I knew from her 11 hours of testimony she was tough as nails but the issues website shows how knowledgeable she is on the details of policy.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Bordering on collusion with DWS and the DNC vs. Bernie? Not exactly exemplary behavior, know what I mean?
But I sure the HELL AM NOT going to vote for Trump!
HRC will be a very fine POTUS, I have not doubt... or perhaps Milquetoast-ish.
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La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)Please clarify, "Lol".
What is your intention here?
"Lot's of Love" ?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... ideas and commitment. Not just because she's "steady" and "not Trump!"
Lithos
(26,403 posts)I think Trump is doing the easy work here...
There is an old saying - never interrupt an enemy making a mistake. However, it's a rather passive comment, so I can't say she's conducting a great campaign. Though she is living by this rule rather scrupulously. She's no fool.
As such, her work is making sure the world understands the errors Trump is making - very easy. I do expect her campaign to not coast and to keep the pressure one. The stakes are not that she'll win, the stakes are the down ticket elections now.
L-
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)When a man does a good job on something, he gets all the credit. When a woman does a good job, he still gets all the credit.
HRC and BHO are different people, with different approaches and different strengths and weaknesses. HRC's 2016 campaign is nothing like BHO's 2008 or 2012 campaigns. And yet, we're supposed to believe that HRC learned everything she knows from BHO.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)This go around, she mirrored much of the Obama campaign, even bringing in key people who helped get him elected in 2008 and 2012. Her message has been extremely pro-Obama knowing that her winning coalition is the same one that got Obama to the White House. It's not giving credit to a man - it's telling the truth. Her campaign is night and day compared to eight years ago and much of that had to do with how Obama changed the political game.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)She is ahead 6.3% points on average nationally, according to MSNBC.
She is running against the most offensive, least qualified lunatic in history.
After all of the despicable gaffes which Trump has vomited from his putrid mouth,
Hillary should be winning by double-digits -- not 6.3 points.
Once again, I remind everyone about the special Senate election in Massachusetts:
Martha Coakley was the well-known Democratic A.G. of this very blue state. She
was nice enough, smart enough, did not come across as very personable on screen.
She did not run a very aggressive campaign against a relatively unknown, underfunded
and inexperienced opponent, and she may have taken victory for granted.
Her Republican opponent, Scott Brown, was her intellectual lesser -- a total dullard
with the palooka face to match. He spoke in well-rehearsed, simple-minded, Republican
talking-points. He posed as a man-of-the-people populist, and he wore a barn jacket
and drove a pick up truck as a prop. In reality, he was a member of the monied class who
made money off of money. He also pimped the "political outsider" angle, as if he were
neutral and willing to compromise. The American voter, it seems, is very fickle and gullible.
Does the situation sound familiar ?
Martha Coakley LOST to this nit-wit. She LOST !! I still can't believe it.
We had to put up with this dope until he was beaten by Elizabeth Warren, thank God.
We can't afford to pat ourselves on the back. Just today, more news of another HRC witch hunt
investigation into the Clinton Foundation. The media created her "70% negatives" and they don't
seem to be taking their feet off the gas pedal. She will need to spend every dollar in her war
chest in order to ensure victory in November.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)moment to appreciate how fortunate we are in our candidate.
Because that is a nice thing to do and it doesn't cost us anything.
And PS? Hillary is cleaning Donald's clock.
Chakab
(1,727 posts)This backslapping makes very little sense.
If there were any other Republican candidate she'd likely be losing by a considerable margin nationally and in swing states.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Is Hillary ahead because she is a lock candidate running a great campaign,
or is she ahead because she is running against a detestable and incompetent opponent ?
(A combination of the two, perhaps ?)
Is she ahead because voters like Hillary, or because they dislike Donald ?
If voters don't like you, they are not completely committed to you.
Let's be HONEST, as you have identified -- We should be thanking God above that Hillary
is running against this troll. She/we would likely be losing if the Republican candidate
were just 50% more human and more philanthropic than Trump.
People ignore the example I gave above at their own peril. The two candidates haven't
even squared off in one debate yet!
The Seahawks also thought they had the Patriots down and out in the Super Bowl ... (oops)
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Martha Coakley was a lock to win that Senate Seat, too.
You can be nice, I'll be realistic. It will all balance out in the end...
vlyons
(10,252 posts)competent: adjective
having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something successfully.
"a highly competent surgeon"
(of a person) efficient and capable.
"an infinitely competent mother of three"
synonyms: capable, able, proficient, adept, adroit, accomplished, complete, skillful, skilled, credentialed, gifted, talented, expert; More
good, excellent;
informal - great, mean, wicked, nifty, ace
"a competent carpenter"
acceptable and satisfactory, though not outstanding.
"she spoke quite competent French"
Squinch
(50,949 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)why do you think that? One of the 1st things that struck me about Trump, especially during the GOP convention, was how incompetent he is. HRC is very very competent. God willing and a lot of good luck, she will sign a lot of progressive legislation.
riversedge
(70,221 posts)Powdered Toast Man
(381 posts)I haven't seen her in the news at all since the convention. 99% of the political articles are about what "Trump said next".
Unless she comes out and admits that everything ever said about her is true, I don't see how she could lose anyway.
Since that's obviously not happening, it's really her election to lose, isn't it?
She'll make a fine president, definitely much better than Trump. I won't even have to move to Canada
niyad
(113,308 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Here's to our Next President!
betsuni
(25,528 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Never doubted her.
William769
(55,147 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)Yes. A campaign that lives up to her likable traits. Like an orchestra.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Butterflies
(1,240 posts)She and her team are doing a great job. I can't wait to vote for her and Tim Kaine in November.
MirrorAshes
(1,262 posts)and she's giving it to us.