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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:56 AM Aug 2016

I've reached a point where I lose respect for someone solely on account of their Trump support.

For me, it's become similar to when I learn someone is an anti-Semite or drops the N-word with regularity. I consider it socially unacceptable.

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I've reached a point where I lose respect for someone solely on account of their Trump support. (Original Post) Zynx Aug 2016 OP
I have family members SHRED Aug 2016 #1
You have my sympathies. Zynx Aug 2016 #2
Know how you feel unapatriciated Aug 2016 #3
sorry your son has to go through this! barbtries Aug 2016 #9
We do too. mountain grammy Aug 2016 #18
Honestly if had family members who were Trump supporters I'd cut all ties with them. Lord Magus Aug 2016 #37
I've cut ties with relatives just for voting republican Astraea Aug 2016 #4
Welcome to DU LittleGirl Aug 2016 #6
I reached that point back in 2000 with W lapfog_1 Aug 2016 #5
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OH NOES!!!!! pansypoo53219 Aug 2016 #7
me too. what i find interesting is that these people know it. barbtries Aug 2016 #8
New HR policies prevent discussion of politics. Two Forrest Trump guys tried to bait me in. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #19
i'd be so curious to know barbtries Aug 2016 #24
It is part of a Hostile Workplace Prevention program, politics is just one part. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #31
I think it's good policy yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #39
we do at my office. barbtries Aug 2016 #41
I hope it continues. It probably will since you've been talking politics awhile yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #50
its standard in good workplaces. drray23 Aug 2016 #55
family aint talking to me jambo101 Aug 2016 #10
I cant even begin to imagine your situation. Do they still support Trump, even after the KingCharlemagne Aug 2016 #12
It's quite clear the scripts for the TV series "Brain Dead" are inspired by this. Jerry442 Aug 2016 #32
I think you're right PatSeg Aug 2016 #35
Thom Hartmann points out that people looking for "news" on cable channels Akamai Aug 2016 #56
I remember not being all that familiar with PatSeg Aug 2016 #58
I have stopped following so many helpisontheway Aug 2016 #11
Addiction jambo101 Aug 2016 #22
yeah. my great nephew brought up something about drugs in Arkansas. barbtries Aug 2016 #25
For the most part, apcalc Aug 2016 #29
I have drawn the line with some people PatSeg Aug 2016 #36
Yes. narnian60 Aug 2016 #53
I had to stop following some people as well. OnionPatch Aug 2016 #43
my Republican FB friends are strangely silent these days sherlocksistah Aug 2016 #60
In my day to day life JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #13
When I pass a...... MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #14
You and me both! AwakeAtLast Aug 2016 #21
Me too, especially here in the Philly burbs. apcalc Aug 2016 #30
I've yet to see PasadenaTrudy Aug 2016 #33
That's because you're a Californian ailsagirl Aug 2016 #46
I still see PasadenaTrudy Aug 2016 #68
You mean... jcgoldie Aug 2016 #59
I still have a republican friends GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #15
Trumputin is a Very Good Thing for This Country TheBaculumKing Aug 2016 #16
I agree with that. redstatebluegirl Aug 2016 #26
Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #40
Unless Trump voters have been injured by bad trade they are mostly racist scum. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #17
Trump exists to expose people's true colors tnvoter Aug 2016 #20
Good point ailsagirl Aug 2016 #47
Supporting Trump reveals, at the very least ... Martin Eden Aug 2016 #23
I'm still flabbergasted that so many do support them ailsagirl Aug 2016 #48
I immediately mark Trump voters down as racist. sarae Aug 2016 #27
As do I. (nt) Paladin Aug 2016 #28
+1000 heaven05 Aug 2016 #34
I've reached that point too axiom3 Aug 2016 #38
It's difficult to understand... kentuck Aug 2016 #42
In San Antonio yesterday, I saw a guy in a huge pick up truck with a trump sticker Doctor Jack Aug 2016 #44
I'm with you! But luckily, unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #45
I have a few who say that they need to vote for Trump because Hillary = Socialism. Zynx Aug 2016 #49
Agreed. I didn't reach that point with Bush but I have with Trump UMTerp01 Aug 2016 #51
That's a reason for not talking politics or religion at work SharonClark Aug 2016 #52
i must be lucky. drray23 Aug 2016 #54
A big trick for respecting and getting along with today's Hortensis Aug 2016 #57
Agree with the OP SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #61
Try being married to one Kennah Aug 2016 #62
Ooofff... My sympathies. Zynx Aug 2016 #65
I tolerate family members who support Trump Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #63
Yep, couple of family members have gone off the deep end. progressoid Aug 2016 #64
Conversely, I'm impressed by conservive friends who are rejecting Trump pinboy3niner Aug 2016 #66
I feel that way about any self-identified Republican anymore. LeftRant Aug 2016 #67

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
3. Know how you feel
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 02:25 AM
Aug 2016

I'm at my son's home, taking care of the grandkids while he has surgery. His dad my ex is here and he is a trump supporter. If our son wasn't battling cancer I would tear his dad a new one.

Astraea

(468 posts)
4. I've cut ties with relatives just for voting republican
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:04 AM
Aug 2016

Embracing a party that stands for homophobia is not something I can tolerate.

It's personal. If you can support inhumanity like that, I can't associate with you anymore.

I don't think that makes me a "single-issue" voter. It makes me a human being.

lapfog_1

(29,222 posts)
5. I reached that point back in 2000 with W
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:12 AM
Aug 2016

like Nixon and Reagan... I disliked people that liked them... but starting with W (and then Palin and now Trump), I pretty much write off anyone that even sort of likes them or even those who are neutral.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
8. me too. what i find interesting is that these people know it.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 05:48 AM
Aug 2016

at work, even though i know there are a couple drumpf supporters, there is no vocal support at all. i don't see bumperstickers or yard signs though admittedly i now live in a bluer part of town and don't commute anymore (yay).

what i think is they're losing respect for themselves as well. he just keeps getting worse too. pundits like to claim that his supporters will never change, but i don't believe it and the polls do not bear that out. this could be a historical, spectacular loss for the republicans, as long as we get out the vote.

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
19. New HR policies prevent discussion of politics. Two Forrest Trump guys tried to bait me in.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:54 AM
Aug 2016

.


I was on speakerphone so I didn't really know who was in earshot, but I said it was against an HR policy we just recently took training on. One where we all had to sign an "I attest" acknowledgement that we would adhere to this new policy.


They replied with, "Well, you passed that test."


They then said that he "seemed like he was an alien from Mars."


I just responded, "Well, I haven't seen the antennas pop up from his head yet."


.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
24. i'd be so curious to know
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:29 AM
Aug 2016

who wanted to put that policy in place. my bet is on the republican - because once you can start talking about it, you have the opportunity to confront with all of his bad acts. people will turn.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
39. I think it's good policy
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:57 PM
Aug 2016

There is no reason to discuss politics when you are supposed to be working. I never would at work. Typically on break, we discuss project of work we are doing. Doesn't make sense to discuss politics if your company isn't a political company.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
41. we do at my office.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 02:53 PM
Aug 2016

we're friends as well as co-workers so maybe that's the difference. haven't experienced any hostility yet.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
55. its standard in good workplaces.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Aug 2016

We have the same policies in our lab. No need to risk offending or even harassing people because of whom they vote for.

jambo101

(797 posts)
10. family aint talking to me
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 06:54 AM
Aug 2016

My Dad and Brother are totally consumed with rightwing politics to the point its becoming difficult to talk to them as all they talk about is politics,the level of hate they spew on a variety of subjects makes me concerned to their mental well being, as i'm not into politics that much and think their Trump thing is a jerk they call me the family communist/socialist and treat me with disdain,a rather sad turn of events. i swear they have become afflicted with some form of collective dementia/psychosis which i think is a form of brainwashing perpetrated by the rightwing media they continually watch ,listen to and read.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. I cant even begin to imagine your situation. Do they still support Trump, even after the
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 07:14 AM
Aug 2016

Khan Affair? What about when Trump mocked the reporter with the physical disability?

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
32. It's quite clear the scripts for the TV series "Brain Dead" are inspired by this.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:42 PM
Aug 2016

People become ideologues because bugs crawl into their ear and eat their brains.

PatSeg

(47,583 posts)
35. I think you're right
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Aug 2016

It does appear to be 'some form of collective dementia/psychosis' and I blame Fox news and right-wing radio. My family members who have bought into the extreme right-wing dogma are people who became addicted to reality TV before this political awakening. They hadn't been interested in politics previously. This has become their new reality TV and they honestly think they are informed. After all they are watching NEWS!

I think the groundwork for all this was laid after 9/11 when most of us had news channels turned on a good deal of the time. Unfortunately, some people were watching Fox and got hooked. It is designed to be addictive.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
56. Thom Hartmann points out that people looking for "news" on cable channels
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

can be fooled by the FOX network. Hartmann is certainly an advocate of a progressive news network that runs news on an ongoing basis, this from a progressive viewpoint. I sure agree with that!

PatSeg

(47,583 posts)
58. I remember not being all that familiar with
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:56 PM
Aug 2016

the news channels. I was just trying to find out what was going on and I'd switch between three channels throughout the day, barely noticing what channel I was watching. I can see how someone could tune into Fox and leave it there. Eventually it would become familiar and the gradual brainwashing could begin. Most people, myself included, fall into TV viewing habits, though I honestly don't think Fox would have "taken" with me. I was reading newspapers and books as well!

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
11. I have stopped following so many
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 07:07 AM
Aug 2016

people on FB. They post some stupid shit (really hate filled, right wing videos about Hillary) that raises my blood pressure. I don't have time for that. I might follow them again after the election or I might leave it the way it is. One thing I did notice before unfollowing them is that none of them posted positive stuff about Trump (like they did for past presidential candidates) ! No instead they posted really awful things about Hillary or President Obama. I want to say guess what assholes, you are in the minority! Hillary is ahead and Obama is a popular president. If they stuck to the issues then I would not have an issue. Agree to disagree...However, they lose me when they substitute a K for the H in Hillary's name or start that birther shit about our President. Stick to the issues..

jambo101

(797 posts)
22. Addiction
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:33 AM
Aug 2016

Its as if righties have become addicted to the emotion of hate as they seem to hate everything and apparently enjoy coming up with ever increasing levels of hate , .Bros new one is evidently Hillary has killed 90 people.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
25. yeah. my great nephew brought up something about drugs in Arkansas.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:32 AM
Aug 2016

I said okay, i'll look it up, and then followed that with the truth, that i could find no credible source. silence. he may not vote for drumpf but he definitely will not vote for hillary, he's got that hate going on too strong. as unfortunately I find in many democrats these days.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
29. For the most part,
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:59 AM
Aug 2016

FB is dead to me. I might visit every few weeks...but beyond that , it is a cesspool of rwbs.

PatSeg

(47,583 posts)
36. I have drawn the line with some people
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:27 PM
Aug 2016

when what they post can be perceived as racism. Now it will be misogyny I think. Having different political views is one thing, but out and out ugly hate is another thing entirely.

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
43. I had to stop following some people as well.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Aug 2016

A few of my cousins, etc. are GOP supporters and the stuff they post is nothing but inflammatory, hate filled name-calling. No serious comments, questions or links about the issues. Just hate-mongering vitriol. It's disgusting. At least my liberal friends post thoughtful, even-toned comments on the issues.

sherlocksistah

(51 posts)
60. my Republican FB friends are strangely silent these days
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Aug 2016

I think they are embarrassed by Trump at this juncture! Hubby says he doesn't hear much from Trumpites anymore either. Nice to know they've decided to just STFU for awhile!

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
13. In my day to day life
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 08:06 AM
Aug 2016

I know one. But I work with her.

In my social media life I now (as of Thursday) know - NONE.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
14. When I pass a......
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 08:18 AM
Aug 2016

car or house with a TRUMP sign, I simply look and wonder, "What's WRONG with these people?!?"

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
46. That's because you're a Californian
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:53 PM
Aug 2016

Like me. I really don't see any political bumper stickers here (SF Bay Area)
At least not yet

jcgoldie

(11,643 posts)
59. You mean...
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 05:02 PM
Aug 2016

You don't flip 'em the bird? I know its stupid and juvenile but I do when no-one's looking just to make myself feel better

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. I still have a republican friends
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 08:39 AM
Aug 2016

I have good friends that will probably vote for him.

We go way back and share lots of interests and history. Watched and helped as their kids grew up. We really do not talk politics and they do not follow politics as closely as I do. I will not end these relationships because of politics and hope they do not. When we are all 80 and the kids have kids I do not think the election of 2016 will be that important to us personally. I think it is of critical importance now! But ending these non political relationships will not help Hillary get elected.

Most of them live very homogenous lives and would not understand Trump's potential impact on those with less power since they do not know any. I work with a very diverse group of people so probably have a broader perspective.

And if I end the relationship I will never help influence a change. I do know they are talking about it way less than the did during the past 5 presidential elections. Like none at all which I can live with.

TheBaculumKing

(102 posts)
16. Trumputin is a Very Good Thing for This Country
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 08:41 AM
Aug 2016

He is making people reveal themselves. All the hidden bigots and racists and general misanthropes are irresistibly drawn to support him, which exposes them. People you may never have suspected will reveal themselves.

They will not change just because he loses in November, they'll just try to duck back into their shells like turtles.

But we will all remember.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
26. I agree with that.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:38 AM
Aug 2016

I have found out that many of my friends are closet racists during all of this. An adjunct faculty member I knew and have kept in contact with is a nut right now. Sending awful emails about Hillary and racist stuff from Trump and his people. I have totally lost respect for him and asked him to stop emailing me. He is using the university email for this stuff if you can imagine.

PatSeg

(47,583 posts)
40. Yes
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 02:44 PM
Aug 2016

Trump has given them permission to be openly hateful and mean-spirited. Repressed racism is coming to the surface, which is the only way it can be dealt with. I think of it like a pimple, that has to come to the surface in order to be healed.

tnvoter

(257 posts)
20. Trump exists to expose people's true colors
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:58 AM
Aug 2016

When I learn that one of my friends supports Trump, it's like finding out you have a friend who supports Hitler. It's a relationship-changing, actually, life-changing, event for me.

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
47. Good point
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:54 PM
Aug 2016

Fortunately I don't know anyone who supports that jackass-- if I did, I think I would dump them

I'm lucky-- all my friends are Dems

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
23. Supporting Trump reveals, at the very least ...
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:20 AM
Aug 2016

Ignorance and stupidity. Those traits are more forgivable than bigotry and cruelty, which seem to be prevalent among his supporters.

ailsagirl

(22,899 posts)
48. I'm still flabbergasted that so many do support them
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Aug 2016

It speaks volumes about their personalities or whatever

sarae

(3,284 posts)
27. I immediately mark Trump voters down as racist.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:52 AM
Aug 2016

It's become an involuntary association in my mind, just like seeing a swastika or a burning cross.

I wish the news would start asking Trump voters, "How long have you been a racist?"

 

axiom3

(54 posts)
38. I've reached that point too
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:44 PM
Aug 2016

Pretty much all of the Trump voters I am acquainted with are a bunch of crypto-fascist racists. They are the same morons who think Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya. I've tried to reason with these morons, but to no avail. So I cut ties with most of them.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
42. It's difficult to understand...
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 02:57 PM
Aug 2016

...how someone you respect and trust could support someone like Donald Trump. It is socially unacceptable. It is a line that cannot be crossed.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
44. In San Antonio yesterday, I saw a guy in a huge pick up truck with a trump sticker
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:44 PM
Aug 2016

And I instantly though "look at this asshole". Sure I never thought highly of Bush, McCain, or Romney supporters but I never had this level of visceral disgust towards them. I think if someone supports trump, after everything he has said and done, that they are the bottom of the barrel in our society.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
45. I'm with you! But luckily,
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:46 PM
Aug 2016

All of my staunchly Republican relatives have turned away from Trump for this election cycle. Most are voting for Hillary… Still working on a few more!

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
49. I have a few who say that they need to vote for Trump because Hillary = Socialism.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
Aug 2016

I joked with them, "Boy, you wouldn't think that talking to the Bernie folks."

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
51. Agreed. I didn't reach that point with Bush but I have with Trump
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:10 PM
Aug 2016

I can't speak to you or associate with you or even try to see your perspective if you support Trump, and I 99% of the time try to at least hear the other person out and hear their perspective. I can't do it if you support Trump.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
52. That's a reason for not talking politics or religion at work
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:12 PM
Aug 2016

I don't want to know that I have to work with someone who supports a right-winger.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
54. i must be lucky.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Aug 2016

Everybody on my side and my wife's side are liberal democrats. Most of us are academics as well. There must be a correlation.. I have a few distant cousins who look like they are rw but i have no contact with them anyway.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
57. A big trick for respecting and getting along with today's
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:53 PM
Aug 2016

conservatives is to identify different facets you can respect and even admire. And from the others try to understand what's behind the statements.

For instance, distress at having the old home neighborhood where someone expected to grow old turn into something very different from what it was is very understandable, and we should be able to sympathize and care and excuse mild expressions of hostility toward newer residents, if not outrageous ones.

It might surprise some, but traditional conservatism is "temporally" (time) oriented -- with most resistance against change, less to virtually none against people because they're different. Others are economically oriented. It's the third main type, social conservatives, who fear and resent people for being different, and even among them the degree of negativism is a wide spectrum.

“What is conservatism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried?”
Abraham Lincoln on traditional conservatism.

People like this have an important role to play in our nation. Political bigotry is just as real as racial bigotry, and to despise all conservatives as bigots is to be just as unreasonably and hatefully bigoted.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
61. Agree with the OP
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:47 PM
Aug 2016

I think I would actually think better of someone if they just said, "Look, I just don't like people of other races and I want women to be compliant like they were 100 years ago" instead of spinning all the bullshit to disguise their fear and hate.

Kennah

(14,315 posts)
62. Try being married to one
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:25 PM
Aug 2016

Her RW crazy is undeterred, even though her beloved Reagan woulda kicked Trump in the nuts.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
65. Ooofff... My sympathies.
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:12 AM
Aug 2016

I have no idea how someone who idolizes Reagan would like Trump. Reagan's whole pitch was that he wanted to take power away from Washington and leave more power at the local level. Trump wants us to give him sweeping powers because he claims that he alone can fix our problems. It's kind of the opposite of what Reagan sold.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
63. I tolerate family members who support Trump
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:34 PM
Aug 2016

... because I basically know that they're not very bright.

One of my nephews earned a degree in business (taking the easy route) and stated that his support for Trump is because "we need a businessman in charge for once." That's the totality of his argument, and he'll just quickly repeat it if I bring up Trump's lunacy. I don't see the point in creating a scene at family gatherings about it.

progressoid

(49,998 posts)
64. Yep, couple of family members have gone off the deep end.
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:03 AM
Aug 2016

And Trump seems to have energized them. Prior to this, they we actually kind of apathetic about politics. It's weird and disturbing.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
66. Conversely, I'm impressed by conservive friends who are rejecting Trump
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:14 AM
Aug 2016

These Republicans are good people. We work together on many community and veteran projects here. For those who had been with Trump, the turning point was his attacking a Gold Star family.

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