2016 Postmortem

LAS14

(13,783 posts) Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:45 PM Aug 2016

Does anyone think Goldwater was worse than Trump???

I'd say Goldwater's policies were worse than Trump's because they were coherent, thus more powerful. But on the scale of civility there's no contest.

So why aren't we EXPECTING a sweep of all 50 states? Not just 49???

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Does anyone think Goldwater was worse than Trump??? (Original Post) LAS14 Aug 2016 OP

Goldwater was infinitely more intelligent and really believed in what he said. TexasProgresive Aug 2016 #1

Because there was not so much division back then. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #2

Not even close Va Lefty Aug 2016 #3

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There is no comparison Zambero Aug 2016 #5

no JI7 Aug 2016 #6

In the polls LBJ's lead over Goldwater was over 50%!!! Clinton hasn't even come close to that. RAFisher Aug 2016 #7

RAFisher—25 of Richard Nixon’s 26 states flipped from 1960 R to 1964 D. CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #9

Get ahold of the documentary “Mr. Conservative”! (It is fascinating.) CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #8

TexasProgresive

(12,158 posts)

1. Goldwater was infinitely more intelligent and really believed in what he said.

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:55 PM

Aug 2016

The Cheeto Bandito is a enormously bloviated ego who has gigantic faith in himself.

I'd say it's apples and oranges. It is impossible to make a comparison. Both men as president would be very dangerous but for different reasons.

I would hope we get a 50 state victory- It would be sweet if Texas went for Hillary.

Demsrule86

(68,660 posts)

2. Because there was not so much division back then.

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:00 PM

Aug 2016

I hope though that this cycle will break it.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)

3. Not even close

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Sat Aug 13, 2016, 01:16 PM

Aug 2016

Goldwater was decent person who later in his life repudiated Nixon and Falwell

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Zambero

(8,965 posts)

5. There is no comparison

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:03 PM

Aug 2016

For starters, he was not a shady business tycoon, did not exhibit classic signs of narcissism, was not off-the-chart delusional, and was by appearances honest and forthcoming despite his less-than-popular political stance. After his 1964 shellacking at the hands of LBJ, Goldwater as Senator mellowed out considerably and migrated to the center-left arena of the GOP, back when there was such a thing.

JI7

(89,262 posts)

6. no

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Sat Aug 13, 2016, 03:57 PM

Aug 2016

RAFisher

(466 posts)

7. In the polls LBJ's lead over Goldwater was over 50%!!! Clinton hasn't even come close to that.

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Sat Aug 13, 2016, 04:30 PM

Aug 2016

Now it did come down but still LBJ won by 23%.

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)

9. RAFisher—25 of Richard Nixon’s 26 states flipped from 1960 R to 1964 D.

Reply to RAFisher (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:40 PM

Aug 2016

It was a crazy election.

Only one state carried Republican for both Nixon and Goldwater: Goldwater’s home state Arizona. (And just barely.)

All the rest of Nixon’s 26—that is, 25 of 26—flipped Democratic to give a full term to Lyndon Johnson…

01. Alaska (the only time it has carried Democratic)
02. California
03. Colorado
04. Florida
05. Idaho
06. Indiana
07. Iowa
08. Kansas
09. Kentucky
10. Maine
11. Montana
12. Nebraska
13. New Hampshire
14. North Dakota
15. Ohio (has carried for all winners since)
16. Oklahoma
17. Oregon
18. South Dakota
19. Tennessee
20. Utah
21. Vermont (first time ever a Republican failed to carry it)
22. Virginia
23. Washington
24. Wisconsin
25. Wyoming

Hilarious!

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)

8. Get ahold of the documentary “Mr. Conservative”! (It is fascinating.)

Reply to LAS14 (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:26 PM

Aug 2016

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