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Related: About this forumJohn Negroponte?
Can't pretend this doesn't make me uncomfortable. Mother always said you're judged by the company you keep.
And, before anyone jumps on me, remember there was time when DUers put Negropnte in the same class as Bush, Cheney, etal. so let's not pretend welcoming his endorsement is a good thing.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/11/headlines/clinton_embraces_endorsement_of_john_negroponte
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Clinton Embraces Endorsement of John Negroponte
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has embraced her recent endorsement by John Negroponte, the former director of national intelligence. The President George W. Bush official also served as U.S. ambassador to Honduras, which was the staging ground for the U.S.-backed Contras in Nicaragua. Hillary Clinton has faced questions on the campaign trail about her own role in Honduras as secretary of state, including legitimizing the 2009 coup in Honduras.
http://wonkette.com/605423/hillary-clinton-touts-endorsement-by-terrible-human-john-negroponte-dont-tout-that-hillary
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Now see here, Secretary Clinton, we are pleased as anything that a whole bunch of Republican foreign policy experts said Donald Trump is too extreme to be president, but do you really have to go around tongue-kissing every last one of them? Especially the murderous bastard ones, like John Negroponte? We know youre excited to get big foreign policy names, as well as big Republican names to pull over some Rs who are sick and tired of the carnival act their party nominated this year
but could you please remember that one of the top rules in politics, as formulated by the great Molly Ivins, is that you gotta dance with the ones who brung you and it was Democrats who brung you to the big dance. Wed also prefer you not slow dance with anyone with quite so much blood on his hands, please....
...As Esquire columnist and Donna Roses babysitter Charlie Pierce reminds us, plenty of those things Negroponte did while he served in numerous diplomatic and national security positions starting in 1960 arent anything Clinton needs to be shaking hands with, let alone embracing:
In the 1980s, he served as the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. In addition to (at best) covering for that countrys murderous autocrats, he also served the Reagan Administration by helping to turn Honduras into a staging area for American-trained death squads in places like El Salvador and Guatemala. (Remember, Eugene Hasenfus was flying out of a base in Honduras when he got shot down over Nicaragua, which is when the Iran-Contra criminal enterprise began to unravel.)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)and used only as a political tool during the election - the only positive thing about this endorsement is the point that Trump is too extreme even for a murderous thug like John Negroponte.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)never heard of this guy.....but then I am a senior.....so maybe my memory is fading...
Greywing
(1,124 posts)dflprincess
(28,079 posts)and was sitting right behind Powell when Powell was was selling Bush's lies. After his U.N. stint, he was ambassador to Iraq, Director of National Intelligence and an Under Secretary of State.
And always, a really sad excuse for a human being.
Do a search on DU for him and you'll find all sorts of threads from the Bush II years.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)The details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I don't see the upside here for her.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)"Yes, he's horrible, but even he can't stomach Trump."
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)had Negroponte endorsed Trump it would prove how awful Trump is, but he endorsed Clinton so it proves how awful Trump is.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)because these are not exactly the same things.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)she shouldn't spend all day trying to cultivate enemies. She is the only sensible choice in this election, even Negroponte is not so blind that he cannot see that.
people should stop expecting her to do things to sabotage her campaign.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)She needs to tell him to fuck off.
(Shudder)
Can't believe this isn't a truism here anymore?
skylucy
(3,739 posts)something to proof that Hillary isn't "pure" enough. I'd rather have these Republicans endorsing Hillary than have them spreading right wing lies about her. Endorse or attack? Easy choice. Take the endorsement and move on.
HILLARY/KAINE 2016
think
(11,641 posts)Would be good endorsement. Good grief!
Some people are actually NOT people you want to be associated with!
skylucy
(3,739 posts)wrong post. I felt sure I had specifically replied to La Lioness Privanka's post. I usually also add the poster's name to my reply title and did not this time. But after checking, yes I did reply to La Lioness Privanka and not to a post by think. So, La Lioness...I do agree with you. To "think"...I don't appreciate the "Dick Cheney" sarcasm. Hillary isn't "cozying up" to Negroponte, Cheney, deep sixed Reagan, or any other Republican. She is busy fighting all the right wing BS, smears, lies and putting forth her vision for our country. She is our nominee and she is running her campaign very well. Negroponte endorsement was barely a blip on the news cycle. I save my concern and outrage for all the unfair lies and never-ending "investigations" the GOP is throwing at her.
HILLARY/KAINE 2016
think
(11,641 posts)skylucy
(3,739 posts)wearing white hoods...but no problem there because those have already endorsed Trump). She isn't bringing them to her rallies or hugging them. Let them endorse her and let them try to convince sane Republicans that it is ok to vote country over party. Once she is elected she will have her hands full with the asshole Republicans who will continue waste our tax money investigating emails and blocking any progress they can...just as they have been doing to President Obama. The endorsements of Republicans will be forgotten after she is president and it won't effect how she governs. She has no illusions about what the Republicans are about. When they are endorsing her, they aren't bashing her or spreading right wing lies about her. I'll take that and so should Hillary.
Hillary/Kaine 2016
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)if he'd endorsed Trump we'd all be jumping up and down and saying it just proves how awful Trump is rather than trying to rationalize it.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)Keep him far, far away!
Ok, ok Accept his endorsement and THEN send him AWAY.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)I guess he figures trump is totally outrageous and Hillary is the safe choice.
Maybe he has learned a few lessons along the way, who knows?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I understand it, but still don't approve. He's a mini Kissnger.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Of course, you just kind of ruined their fun.
cali
(114,904 posts)never tout this endorsement. He's filthy. And truly, his hands are stained with the blood of innocent civilians.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Look, she can't control who endorses her. Now she does need to be very careful on how she accepts these endorsements. Any sane person should be against Trump and any sane person should be very cool on a Negroponte endorsement.
villager
(26,001 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)RapSoDee
(421 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Some honestly never have anything nice to say. I say a big who cares...take all the endorsements you can get, and since Drump is painting her as soft on terror, this sort of endorsement is helpful...unlike some, I don't believe in purity tests...any well-meaning person who wants to can vote for Hillary and endorse her too. Let's blow it out...and get Hillary Republicans ....like Reagan Democrats. Let's win in a landslide and carry the House too... But gee thanks for the concern...so much good news and all...but I know if one looks hard enough he/she can find something to be concerned and worried about...something that could raise doubts about our nominee. I fail to understand how that is useful but then I am just an uncomplicated Democrat who wants to win in November.
glennward
(989 posts)Nor is he like Hillary. One cannot control a person SAYING they support you. Hillary's real, true supporters have been there with her since Arkansas.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)the endorser's politics. Endorsements mean votes, not subservience by the candidate to the endorser.
Hillary is not "tongue-kissing" Negroponte. That is simply hyperbole, for pete's sake, on the part of the writer.
think
(11,641 posts)they will be repulsed as they should be. Negroponte's stunt as ambassador of Honduras while the death squads were active is beyond reprehensible.
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Staff Writer / Monday, March 21, 2005; Page A01
Focus Renewed on Intelligence Pick's Knowledge of Death Squads in 1980s
It has been two decades since John D. Negroponte left his post as ambassador to Honduras, but the man President Bush has chosen to become the United States' first intelligence czar is still being hounded by human rights activists such as Zenaida Velasquez.
Their paths first intersected in 1983, when Velasquez asked for the ambassador's help in tracing dozens of Hondurans, including her brother, allegedly kidnapped by agents of the U.S.-backed Honduran military. Little came of the meeting, and the disappearances continued for at least another year.
Over the years, Velasquez has gotten the CIA, an official Honduran ombudsman and an international human rights court to acknowledge that the Honduran army was responsible for her brother Manfredo's kidnapping and presumed killing. But Negroponte has repeatedly insisted that military-backed death squads did not operate in Honduras while he was ambassador.
The selection of Negroponte for the new post of national intelligence director has focused renewed attention on the question of how much he knew about the Honduran military's involvement in nearly 200 unsolved kidnappings during the 1980s, and what he did about it. The subject has dogged him in the past, and Democratic staff members said it is likely to be revisited when the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence holds nomination hearings, tentatively scheduled for April 12...
Read more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52001-2005Mar20.html