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dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:37 PM Aug 2016

John Negroponte?

Can't pretend this doesn't make me uncomfortable. Mother always said you're judged by the company you keep.

And, before anyone jumps on me, remember there was time when DUers put Negropnte in the same class as Bush, Cheney, etal. so let's not pretend welcoming his endorsement is a good thing.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/8/11/headlines/clinton_embraces_endorsement_of_john_negroponte

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Clinton Embraces Endorsement of John Negroponte

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has embraced her recent endorsement by John Negroponte, the former director of national intelligence. The President George W. Bush official also served as U.S. ambassador to Honduras, which was the staging ground for the U.S.-backed Contras in Nicaragua. Hillary Clinton has faced questions on the campaign trail about her own role in Honduras as secretary of state, including legitimizing the 2009 coup in Honduras.



http://wonkette.com/605423/hillary-clinton-touts-endorsement-by-terrible-human-john-negroponte-dont-tout-that-hillary
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Now see here, Secretary Clinton, we are pleased as anything that a whole bunch of Republican foreign policy experts said Donald Trump is too extreme to be president, but do you really have to go around tongue-kissing every last one of them? Especially the murderous bastard ones, like John Negroponte? We know you’re excited to get big foreign policy names, as well as big Republican names to pull over some R’s who are sick and tired of the carnival act their party nominated this year… but could you please remember that one of the top rules in politics, as formulated by the great Molly Ivins, is that you gotta dance with the ones who brung you — and it was Democrats who brung you to the big dance. We’d also prefer you not slow dance with anyone with quite so much blood on his hands, please....

...As Esquire columnist and Donna Rose’s babysitter Charlie Pierce reminds us, plenty of those things Negroponte did while he “served in numerous diplomatic and national security positions starting in 1960” aren’t anything Clinton needs to be shaking hands with, let alone embracing:

In the 1980s, he served as the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. In addition to (at best) covering for that country’s murderous autocrats, he also served the Reagan Administration by helping to turn Honduras into a staging area for American-trained death squads in places like El Salvador and Guatemala. (Remember, Eugene Hasenfus was flying out of a base in Honduras when he got shot down over Nicaragua, which is when the Iran-Contra criminal enterprise began to unravel.)


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John Negroponte? (Original Post) dflprincess Aug 2016 OP
Let's hope he's kept at arms-length The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #1
you have one up on me... chillfactor Aug 2016 #2
Need to think back to the Iran-Contra era ... (eom) Greywing Aug 2016 #3
You don't have to go back that far. He was our Ambassador to the U.N. from 2001 to 2004 dflprincess Aug 2016 #7
He worked for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #4
He's horrible SHRED Aug 2016 #5
A sort of reverse brag might be possible: The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #9
Really a win win for Clinton dflprincess Aug 2016 #38
has she bragged about them? or did the campaign release a statement of his endorsement? La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #6
She should disavow it. nt dflprincess Aug 2016 #8
a lot of people of different stripes (from neocons to progressives) are going to endorse her La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #12
By welcoming endorsements from criminals like this she may be sabotaging her own campaign nt dflprincess Aug 2016 #15
A Negroponte endorsement is sabotaging her campaign riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #19
I agree! There are too many "concerned" DUers around here, constantly looking for skylucy Aug 2016 #20
No. Negroponte is not someone you want to cozyup to. Next you'll say Dick Cheney think Aug 2016 #24
I just double checked my post because I thought I might have accidentally replied to the skylucy Aug 2016 #28
Good grief. /nt think Aug 2016 #35
Hillary needs to accept every endorsement she can get from Republicans (except those who are skylucy Aug 2016 #10
Negroponte isn't far removed from someone in a white hood dflprincess Aug 2016 #13
What a terrible man. BigDemVoter Aug 2016 #11
The guy is old establishment republican. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2016 #14
. riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #16
Trump scaring people like Negroponte says alot about Trump BlueStateLib Aug 2016 #17
I don't approve of them touting this guy. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #18
Interestingly, Negroponte and Kissinger are said to dislike each other: The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 #21
No honor among thieves. nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #23
Good find, Ocelot. elleng Aug 2016 #27
Thanks Ocelot Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #34
That's my pragmatic take on it: They shouldn't disavow his endorsement but they should cali Aug 2016 #30
It's a dig at Trump and his lack of foreign policy understanding. JaneyVee Aug 2016 #22
As an undecided I am O.K. with this rufus dog Aug 2016 #25
That's kind of... horrifying. nt villager Aug 2016 #26
He's a nightmare- for many South Americans- and with excellent reasons cali Aug 2016 #29
Negroponte: The Black Point RapSoDee Aug 2016 #31
More concern...always the concern... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #32
He is simply against Trump. You don't need to welcome his endorsement...he is not like you. glennward Aug 2016 #33
This is so concerning... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #36
Accepting an endorsement by a candidate does not mean approval of MineralMan Aug 2016 #37
Clinton should have disavowed Negroponte's endorsement. When people find out WHO he is think Aug 2016 #39

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
1. Let's hope he's kept at arms-length
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:43 PM
Aug 2016

and used only as a political tool during the election - the only positive thing about this endorsement is the point that Trump is too extreme even for a murderous thug like John Negroponte.

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
2. you have one up on me...
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:46 PM
Aug 2016

never heard of this guy.....but then I am a senior.....so maybe my memory is fading...

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
7. You don't have to go back that far. He was our Ambassador to the U.N. from 2001 to 2004
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
Aug 2016

and was sitting right behind Powell when Powell was was selling Bush's lies. After his U.N. stint, he was ambassador to Iraq, Director of National Intelligence and an Under Secretary of State.

And always, a really sad excuse for a human being.

Do a search on DU for him and you'll find all sorts of threads from the Bush II years.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
38. Really a win win for Clinton
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:14 PM
Aug 2016

had Negroponte endorsed Trump it would prove how awful Trump is, but he endorsed Clinton so it proves how awful Trump is.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
6. has she bragged about them? or did the campaign release a statement of his endorsement?
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:55 PM
Aug 2016

because these are not exactly the same things.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
12. a lot of people of different stripes (from neocons to progressives) are going to endorse her
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:01 PM
Aug 2016

she shouldn't spend all day trying to cultivate enemies. She is the only sensible choice in this election, even Negroponte is not so blind that he cannot see that.

people should stop expecting her to do things to sabotage her campaign.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. A Negroponte endorsement is sabotaging her campaign
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:24 PM
Aug 2016

She needs to tell him to fuck off.

(Shudder)

Can't believe this isn't a truism here anymore?

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
20. I agree! There are too many "concerned" DUers around here, constantly looking for
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:26 PM
Aug 2016

something to proof that Hillary isn't "pure" enough. I'd rather have these Republicans endorsing Hillary than have them spreading right wing lies about her. Endorse or attack? Easy choice. Take the endorsement and move on.
HILLARY/KAINE 2016

 

think

(11,641 posts)
24. No. Negroponte is not someone you want to cozyup to. Next you'll say Dick Cheney
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:40 AM
Aug 2016

Would be good endorsement. Good grief!

Some people are actually NOT people you want to be associated with!

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
28. I just double checked my post because I thought I might have accidentally replied to the
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:17 AM
Aug 2016

wrong post. I felt sure I had specifically replied to La Lioness Privanka's post. I usually also add the poster's name to my reply title and did not this time. But after checking, yes I did reply to La Lioness Privanka and not to a post by think. So, La Lioness...I do agree with you. To "think"...I don't appreciate the "Dick Cheney" sarcasm. Hillary isn't "cozying up" to Negroponte, Cheney, deep sixed Reagan, or any other Republican. She is busy fighting all the right wing BS, smears, lies and putting forth her vision for our country. She is our nominee and she is running her campaign very well. Negroponte endorsement was barely a blip on the news cycle. I save my concern and outrage for all the unfair lies and never-ending "investigations" the GOP is throwing at her.
HILLARY/KAINE 2016

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
10. Hillary needs to accept every endorsement she can get from Republicans (except those who are
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:59 PM
Aug 2016

wearing white hoods...but no problem there because those have already endorsed Trump). She isn't bringing them to her rallies or hugging them. Let them endorse her and let them try to convince sane Republicans that it is ok to vote country over party. Once she is elected she will have her hands full with the asshole Republicans who will continue waste our tax money investigating emails and blocking any progress they can...just as they have been doing to President Obama. The endorsements of Republicans will be forgotten after she is president and it won't effect how she governs. She has no illusions about what the Republicans are about. When they are endorsing her, they aren't bashing her or spreading right wing lies about her. I'll take that and so should Hillary.
Hillary/Kaine 2016

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
13. Negroponte isn't far removed from someone in a white hood
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:03 PM
Aug 2016

if he'd endorsed Trump we'd all be jumping up and down and saying it just proves how awful Trump is rather than trying to rationalize it.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
14. The guy is old establishment republican.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:08 PM
Aug 2016

I guess he figures trump is totally outrageous and Hillary is the safe choice.

Maybe he has learned a few lessons along the way, who knows?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. I don't approve of them touting this guy.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 11:24 PM
Aug 2016

I understand it, but still don't approve. He's a mini Kissnger.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
21. Interestingly, Negroponte and Kissinger are said to dislike each other:
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 12:34 AM
Aug 2016
As a young Foreign Service officer—one of the few men in Washington who dared to openly disagree with Henry Kissinger’s secret handling of the Vietnam peace talks—Negroponte attempted to convince his superior that any peace agreement negotiated without the consent of South Vietnam’s leader Thieu would be doomed to failure. Seymour Hersh claims in his book “The Price of Power” that Kissinger never forgave Negroponte, and, upon becoming Secretary of State, exiled him to Quito, Ecuador.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. That's my pragmatic take on it: They shouldn't disavow his endorsement but they should
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:14 AM
Aug 2016

never tout this endorsement. He's filthy. And truly, his hands are stained with the blood of innocent civilians.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
25. As an undecided I am O.K. with this
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:51 AM
Aug 2016

Look, she can't control who endorses her. Now she does need to be very careful on how she accepts these endorsements. Any sane person should be against Trump and any sane person should be very cool on a Negroponte endorsement.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
32. More concern...always the concern...
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:15 AM
Aug 2016

Some honestly never have anything nice to say. I say a big who cares...take all the endorsements you can get, and since Drump is painting her as soft on terror, this sort of endorsement is helpful...unlike some, I don't believe in purity tests...any well-meaning person who wants to can vote for Hillary and endorse her too. Let's blow it out...and get Hillary Republicans ....like Reagan Democrats. Let's win in a landslide and carry the House too... But gee thanks for the concern...so much good news and all...but I know if one looks hard enough he/she can find something to be concerned and worried about...something that could raise doubts about our nominee. I fail to understand how that is useful but then I am just an uncomplicated Democrat who wants to win in November.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
33. He is simply against Trump. You don't need to welcome his endorsement...he is not like you.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:17 AM
Aug 2016

Nor is he like Hillary. One cannot control a person SAYING they support you. Hillary's real, true supporters have been there with her since Arkansas.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
37. Accepting an endorsement by a candidate does not mean approval of
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:53 AM
Aug 2016

the endorser's politics. Endorsements mean votes, not subservience by the candidate to the endorser.

Hillary is not "tongue-kissing" Negroponte. That is simply hyperbole, for pete's sake, on the part of the writer.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
39. Clinton should have disavowed Negroponte's endorsement. When people find out WHO he is
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:45 PM
Aug 2016

they will be repulsed as they should be. Negroponte's stunt as ambassador of Honduras while the death squads were active is beyond reprehensible.

Negroponte's Time In Honduras at Issue

By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Staff Writer / Monday, March 21, 2005; Page A01

Focus Renewed on Intelligence Pick's Knowledge of Death Squads in 1980s


It has been two decades since John D. Negroponte left his post as ambassador to Honduras, but the man President Bush has chosen to become the United States' first intelligence czar is still being hounded by human rights activists such as Zenaida Velasquez.

Their paths first intersected in 1983, when Velasquez asked for the ambassador's help in tracing dozens of Hondurans, including her brother, allegedly kidnapped by agents of the U.S.-backed Honduran military. Little came of the meeting, and the disappearances continued for at least another year.

Over the years, Velasquez has gotten the CIA, an official Honduran ombudsman and an international human rights court to acknowledge that the Honduran army was responsible for her brother Manfredo's kidnapping and presumed killing. But Negroponte has repeatedly insisted that military-backed death squads did not operate in Honduras while he was ambassador.

The selection of Negroponte for the new post of national intelligence director has focused renewed attention on the question of how much he knew about the Honduran military's involvement in nearly 200 unsolved kidnappings during the 1980s, and what he did about it. The subject has dogged him in the past, and Democratic staff members said it is likely to be revisited when the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence holds nomination hearings, tentatively scheduled for April 12...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52001-2005Mar20.html
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