2016 Postmortem

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts) Tue Aug 16, 2016, 12:21 PM Aug 2016

I will pick up the baton from my friend, Cali

Trump is toxic in a way that far exceeds Bush or Reagan. I believe he'd actually try to use nuclear weapons.

-Cali

La Rochefoucauld famously said that "hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue." At their worst Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, George Walker Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney paid lip service to democratic norms and the rule of law. Donald Trump has been openly contemptuous of them.

Maya Angelou said "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

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I will pick up the baton from my friend, Cali (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 OP

I think he would use nukes too...after all we have them. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #1

That's what Tony Schwartz calls him now. calimary Aug 2016 #12

Very interesting. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #19

I've seen him interviewed several times. calimary Aug 2016 #20

Schwartz has also said he's donating any royalties TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #21

It is scary that someone as dangerous as Trump is this close to the presidency. nt. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #22

Scary get the red out Aug 2016 #2

Absolutely he would. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #3

Four deviations off the top of my head from democratic norms and the rule of law DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #5

Said we should use torture, said we should kill terrorists' families, auntpurl Aug 2016 #7

Yeah, that's another one. calimary Aug 2016 #13

There was that one time he insisted that Czechoslovakia give back the Sudetenland... catbyte Aug 2016 #15

It is easy to get them mixed up! DawgHouse Aug 2016 #16

It makes me so mad to see the argument from some folks here that there is even a stevenleser Aug 2016 #18

I thought that ever since he said... fun n serious Aug 2016 #4

Wonderful quote. Thanks for introducing me to it. cali Aug 2016 #6

That is a great quote... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #8

here we go again. another one wanitig a war out of the get go. hem allan01 Aug 2016 #9

Trump Campaign reminds me of a Bee Gees song LakeArenal Aug 2016 #10

OMG You are right! n.t. Delmette Aug 2016 #14

Oh, I believe he'd actually use nuclear weapons. hamsterjill Aug 2016 #11

I think he'd do whatever is good for his business MadBadger Aug 2016 #17

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

1. I think he would use nukes too...after all we have them. nt

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:18 PM

Aug 2016

I would call him a sociopath but I don't want to cast aspersions sociopaths.

calimary

(81,322 posts)

12. That's what Tony Schwartz calls him now.

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:56 PM

Aug 2016

"Sociopath."

Tony Schwartz is the ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal."

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

19. Very interesting.

Reply to calimary (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:00 PM

Aug 2016

And he spent a great deal of time with Donald too. Great article thanks.

calimary

(81,322 posts)

20. I've seen him interviewed several times.

Reply to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:14 PM

Aug 2016

Schwartz has alternately referred to Trump's attention span as ranging from that of a 9-year-old boy with ADHD to "he HAS no attention span."

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)

21. Schwartz has also said he's donating any royalties

Reply to calimary (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 01:27 PM

Aug 2016

he gets now from "The Art of the Deal" to immigrant advocacy charties.

http://remezcla.com/culture/trump-ghostwriter-tony-schwartz-donate-royalties-immigration/

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)

22. It is scary that someone as dangerous as Trump is this close to the presidency. nt.

Reply to calimary (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 05:48 PM

Aug 2016

get the red out

(13,466 posts)

2. Scary

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:19 PM

Aug 2016

The way (it was reported) that he asked about using nukes, when the foreign policy expert the Republican Party hired was briefing him, sounded like a kid wanting to get into his Christmas presents.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)

3. Absolutely he would.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:35 PM

Aug 2016

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

5. Four deviations off the top of my head from democratic norms and the rule of law

Reply to DawgHouse (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:53 PM

Aug 2016

-Said we should have stolen Iraq's oil
-Said we should rewrite libel laws to make it easier for public officials to sue the press for criticizing them
-Said we should set up a commission to monitor Muslims
- Said we should end birth right citizenship.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)

7. Said we should use torture, said we should kill terrorists' families,

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:57 PM

Aug 2016

said his supporters could use "2nd amendment solutions" against Hillary and/or judges, said Russia should hack an American citizen...

calimary

(81,322 posts)

13. Yeah, that's another one.

Reply to auntpurl (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:00 PM

Aug 2016

If he somehow managed to get elected President, he would be COMING INTO OFFICE as a war criminal. Torture is a war crime.

He's scary as hell! If his "if we have nukes, why can't we use them" quote isn't a turn-off for voters, Dear God I don't know what would be.

catbyte

(34,403 posts)

15. There was that one time he insisted that Czechoslovakia give back the Sudetenland...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:37 PM

Aug 2016

Whoopsie, wrong fascist...

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)

16. It is easy to get them mixed up!

Reply to catbyte (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:39 PM

Aug 2016

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)

18. It makes me so mad to see the argument from some folks here that there is even a

Reply to DawgHouse (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:59 PM

Aug 2016

decision to be made about supporting Hillary. Based on his statements on nuclear weapons alone, people should be lined up at 5am on election day to vote for Hillary to make sure there is no chance Trump gets near the white house.

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)

4. I thought that ever since he said...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:42 PM

Aug 2016

"knocking out iSIS won't eveb be that hard."

cali

(114,904 posts)

6. Wonderful quote. Thanks for introducing me to it.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 01:57 PM

Aug 2016

If you haven't read the essay I (poorly) riffed off of, I think you'd appreciate it:

http://spichtinger.net/otexts/believe.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

8. That is a great quote...

Reply to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:02 PM

Aug 2016

Even hypocrites know what is right and that is why they pay lip service to it.

allan01

(1,950 posts)

9. here we go again. another one wanitig a war out of the get go. hem

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:16 PM

Aug 2016

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)

10. Trump Campaign reminds me of a Bee Gees song

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:27 PM

Aug 2016

I Started A Joke (that got the whole world crying)

Delmette

(522 posts)

14. OMG You are right! n.t.

Reply to LakeArenal (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 03:20 PM

Aug 2016

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)

11. Oh, I believe he'd actually use nuclear weapons.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 02:47 PM

Aug 2016

I believe he's just as Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton have described. He can be baited with a tweet.

Imagine what Putin could accomplish by pushing Trump's buttons.

We cannot let this maniac anywhere near the White House. Vote! Vote!! Vote!!!

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)

17. I think he'd do whatever is good for his business

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:50 PM

Aug 2016

Nukes are bad for business

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