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charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 04:53 PM Aug 2016

FBI Confirms Clinton Did Not Originate Classified Information In Her Emails

A letter sent by FBI Acting Assistant Director Jason Herring to the House Oversight Committee confirms that the three emails media is making such hay over did not originate with Secretary Clinton, nor was the use of the term "extremely careless" meant to establish some mythical standard of conduct which did not exist before Director Comey's statement.

Herring also specifically compared the Clinton emails with the prosecutions of Bryan Nishimura, David Petraeus, and Sandy Berger. In all of those cases, the FBI said, there was "clear evidence of knowledge and intent," which was not present in this investigation.

As for the term "extremely careless," Herring explained that the term was "intended to be a common sense way of describing the actions of Secretary Clinton and her colleagues." He further clarified that "the facts did not support a recommendation to prosecute her or others within the scope of the investigation for gross negligence."

This will surely not deter the spittle-flecked Trump supporters out there shouting "Lock her up!" But for those who encounter people who are only marginally paying attention, the two takeaways here are as follows:

1. Clinton did not send emails with information marked classified in them. She received them.

2. There was no intent on her part -- or her staff's -- to share classified information with people not entitled to see it.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/fbi-confirms-clinton-did-not-originate


This probably won't stop Chaffetz from trying to "lock her up" though.

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FBI Confirms Clinton Did Not Originate Classified Information In Her Emails (Original Post) charlyvi Aug 2016 OP
I don't understand the people sarae Aug 2016 #1
I think it's part power politics, charlyvi Aug 2016 #5
There's been this annoying attitude that's arisen from all this shit thrown at her over all these calimary Aug 2016 #48
Just wait until Donald starts blathering things from his classified briefings. tanyev Aug 2016 #8
Here is the subject of Trump's Wednesday briefing as stated by the NCIA. Purrfessor Aug 2016 #42
It should be about Baked Ham. Eom charlyvi Aug 2016 #51
lmaooo sarae Aug 2016 #60
I agree. Exactly what is she up to? Has to be something unless they're measuring her by their Laser102 Aug 2016 #15
SMH too blueseas Aug 2016 #18
THIS!! donco Aug 2016 #28
hi blueseas Aug 2016 #64
I SO agree with you. I have never understood the frothing at the mouth from the skylucy Aug 2016 #25
I think its the name Clinton ... how long have the republicans tried to find something Kathy M Aug 2016 #31
Bias has powerful effect on one's judgement. DCBob Aug 2016 #36
Ever notice that it's right-wing loons who echo this crap in public? VOX Aug 2016 #59
"So what you're telling us is that she originated classifed information in her emails!" Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #2
The Republicans will continue to claims she did liberal N proud Aug 2016 #3
Of course they will, it is who they are. SharonClark Aug 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #4
Seems that "insecure" server is the most secure server around given DURHAM D Aug 2016 #6
LOL! True enough. charlyvi Aug 2016 #10
Hmmm, NSA system and some other are good. Hortensis Aug 2016 #19
The information on everyone who has applied for DURHAM D Aug 2016 #21
OPM Office of Personnel Management. I know because I was one of them. politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #26
Me too. charlyvi Aug 2016 #29
Sorry that happened to you. nt DURHAM D Aug 2016 #35
So far, it hasn't resulted in any ID theft, thank goodness. charlyvi Aug 2016 #41
ID theft, although a concern, is not the main issue with the OPM hack Zorro Aug 2016 #52
Not enough!!!! Chakaconcarne Aug 2016 #7
Even the Second Coming charlyvi Aug 2016 #13
And it needs to be on MSM. OnDoutside Aug 2016 #14
It needs to be on Fox klook Aug 2016 #61
zero! OnDoutside Aug 2016 #62
I'm not sure Hillary was ever suspected of originating these emails. NWCorona Aug 2016 #9
I've heard various repubs on TV charlyvi Aug 2016 #12
I think I have heard ALL of them say that as well DURHAM D Aug 2016 #33
I get what you are saying there. NWCorona Aug 2016 #44
The problem being charlyvi Aug 2016 #50
K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #11
Mr. Patronizing had to toss in that "extremely careless" comment as if chastising a kid for.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #17
It was outrageous that he held a press conference at all. charlyvi Aug 2016 #23
When all is said and done, perhaps she should sue him. politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #46
She probably won't charlyvi Aug 2016 #53
His resignation needs to be on her desk when she walks into DURHAM D Aug 2016 #37
Fun fact. NWCorona Aug 2016 #47
Color me shocked. n/t Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #20
It is only because this was all framed within the context of her private email server... tandem5 Aug 2016 #22
Agreed. charlyvi Aug 2016 #24
So people who SENT the classified material were "reckless", Hillary Clinton was not. George II Aug 2016 #27
They all involved calling or reminder in making phone calls.... Historic NY Aug 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author DURHAM D Aug 2016 #38
I does not matter now because the damage is done .... Botany Aug 2016 #32
The thing is, she's still winning. charlyvi Aug 2016 #40
But to a certain % of the American people she will always be "Dishonest Hillary." Botany Aug 2016 #54
Right Wingers gonna right wing I guess charlyvi Aug 2016 #55
K and R. riversedge Aug 2016 #34
I have been saying on this board for a long time, that the onus is on the originator politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #39
That's a point I was trying to make earlier. She did not lie to the FBI or the American people. AND glennward Aug 2016 #43
I can see that Comey lied, and this article is purposely shortened so the lies can continue. Festivito Aug 2016 #45
It really sucks to be a Republican right now. Loki Aug 2016 #49
WERE THE FUCK IS COMEY ?!?!?! WHY ISN'T HE BOOKED FOR EVERY TALK SHOW ON EARTH!?! Answering uponit7771 Aug 2016 #56
Ethically, the FBI chief is not supposed to discuss cases publically. charlyvi Aug 2016 #57
+1, then bold faced contradicted himself by saying there were classified emails on her server and th uponit7771 Aug 2016 #58
has cnn or msnbc covered this, I must have missed it BlueStateLib Aug 2016 #63

sarae

(3,284 posts)
1. I don't understand the people
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:00 PM
Aug 2016

who are convinced that she's done something so HORRIBLE, so criminal, that she should be put in prison. It's just weird to me. Especially when they support Trump and think he's done nothing wrong himself.

It's like proposing life in prison for someone who didn't return a library book on time, then turning around and campaigning for a serial killer to become president. Just completely off-the-wall NUTS.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
5. I think it's part power politics,
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:11 PM
Aug 2016

Part misogyny, but mostly it's because she's a Clinton. I think they think that if they hit her over and over with scandal after scandal, something will stick, tapping into that vast swath of anti Clintonism that was rampant in the 90's and is still embraced today, not only by the right. What they are too short sighted to see, though, is that Big Dawg left office with a 66% approval rating, eight Benghazi investigations haven't destroyed Hillary, and even those folks who don't particularly care for her aren't necessarily swayed by Republican bullshit. And their candidate is so bad even some who do believe the bullshit will vote for her. Republicans have always underestimated the Clintons and overestimated their own ability to bring them down. Always.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
48. There's been this annoying attitude that's arisen from all this shit thrown at her over all these
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:43 PM
Aug 2016

years. "Hmmm... well... where there's smoke there must be fire..."

Yeah? I heard a GREAT retort!

"Yeah? Where there's smoke, sometimes there's just a smoke machine."

tanyev

(42,568 posts)
8. Just wait until Donald starts blathering things from his classified briefings.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:32 PM
Aug 2016

Won't bother his supporters one bit.

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
42. Here is the subject of Trump's Wednesday briefing as stated by the NCIA.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:22 PM
Aug 2016

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Laser102

(816 posts)
15. I agree. Exactly what is she up to? Has to be something unless they're measuring her by their
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:51 PM
Aug 2016

own standards. Which of course, WOULD make her a criminal.

blueseas

(11,575 posts)
18. SMH too
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:06 PM
Aug 2016

I don't understand either. He is a narcissist sociopath and some have no issue with him?

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
25. I SO agree with you. I have never understood the frothing at the mouth from the
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:19 PM
Aug 2016

Republicans and the MSM about this either. Well, of course the Repubs are driven totally by politics...but the media and pundits (and even those pundits who are pro Hillary) seem to have bought into the hysteria too. I don't get it either! The pack mentality about this is very sad.
HILLARY/KAINE 2016

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
31. I think its the name Clinton ... how long have the republicans tried to find something
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:38 PM
Aug 2016

anything that they can do a " Gotcha you guilty " Seems like there have been people / forces against Bill Clinton also Hillary
from the first day they walked into the White House many years ago . Almost like there may be some who do not respect
and are intimidated by a strong intelligent female .

Papers that were released may come in handy later or for media to correct someone on their show ( hopefully )

VOX

(22,976 posts)
59. Ever notice that it's right-wing loons who echo this crap in public?
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:55 PM
Aug 2016

They are so jacked up about "socialism" and "gun-grabbing" that they will engage near-strangers with their in-bubble bullshit. In market check-out lines, restaurants, etc., they will start in with the shopworn talking points. A guy at my gym did exactly this recently, went on a long anti-Clinton diatribe. I noticed he had a "Hillary For Prison" sticker on his pickup.

These people have been exposed to decades of poison from the usual media sources. Somehow, they believe the lies. Fear? Laziness? Ignorance? It's a tragic mystery.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
2. "So what you're telling us is that she originated classifed information in her emails!"
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:01 PM
Aug 2016

-Every Republican out there.

Response to charlyvi (Original post)

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
6. Seems that "insecure" server is the most secure server around given
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:20 PM
Aug 2016

that every department of the US government has been hacked and also the State Department cabes (run through the DOD) were all stolen and then released by Chelsea Manning.

Seems like the government needs to ask Bill Clinton if they can use his server, the one protected by the Secret Service 24/7.

ETA: Your sig line is completely inappropriate.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Hmmm, NSA system and some other are good.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:09 PM
Aug 2016

But most of the government departments are...not nearly what we need them to be. And how about all the hundreds of thousands of employees still often or occasionally choosing other routes for at least partially sensible reasons, or not.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
21. The information on everyone who has applied for
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:14 PM
Aug 2016

a security clearance for the past several years was hacked. What system was that?

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
41. So far, it hasn't resulted in any ID theft, thank goodness.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:12 PM
Aug 2016

But I monitor everything pretty regularly. Thank you.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
52. ID theft, although a concern, is not the main issue with the OPM hack
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 08:48 PM
Aug 2016

It's all the detailed personal information about health, family relationships, foreign travel and contacts, and the other stuff one is required to provide that might reveal a vulnerability that can be exploited by an adversary. It was an atrocious security breach.

Chakaconcarne

(2,454 posts)
7. Not enough!!!!
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 05:32 PM
Aug 2016

We need at least 5 more letters from 5 different people within the fbi for this to hold any water.

klook

(12,157 posts)
61. It needs to be on Fox
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 12:26 PM
Aug 2016

before it's "true" to most Republicans. Gee, wonder what the chances of that are??

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
33. I think I have heard ALL of them say that as well
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:03 PM
Aug 2016

as ALL the news spokes-models, including everyone on MSNBC.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
44. I get what you are saying there.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:26 PM
Aug 2016

But anybody who paid attention should know that the three emails in question were forwarded to Hillary.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
50. The problem being
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 08:25 PM
Aug 2016

Most of the right gets their news from FOX, which conveniently omits those facts that do not fit their narrative; therefore, Hillary has sent classified emails vulnerable to our enemies. It's a closed loop.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
17. Mr. Patronizing had to toss in that "extremely careless" comment as if chastising a kid for....
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:04 PM
Aug 2016

...not cleaning up her room. Pontificating idiot! How did he think that'd be taken? I don't know if was deliberate in that he was trying to undermine Hillary of if it was deliberate in that he was just annoyed at her and wanting to get back with some small jab, but I hope he rues ever uttering that little opinion. I hope he has to spend the rest of his life explaining and backpedaling on it, and that this example keeps the future director (and I'm sure there will be a new one soon), to stick to the facts and just the facts from now on.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
23. It was outrageous that he held a press conference at all.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:16 PM
Aug 2016

He should have passed on his recommendation to Justice without uttering a public word. It was blatant politicization of this issue; and, I believe, a bone thrown to the repub candidate and the House if they wanted to pursue their vendetta. No one else would have been subject to this type of treatment, with the possible exception of Bill.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
46. When all is said and done, perhaps she should sue him.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:30 PM
Aug 2016

His taking it upon himself to chastise her in his need to clarify things, led to more acrimony she didn't need or deserve, plus potentially more legal costs. Had he stuck to the Justice department guidelines and just given the simple one sentence used when the FBI decides not to indict, there would have been no reason to go up on Capital Hill to testify about the comments he made during his news conference, which shouldn't have been made in the first place. While Congress can subpoena anyone, they don't have automatic access to every piece of evidence that the DoJ has. Comey opened that door, when he began testifying before Congress that day. If he had followed DoJ protocol and limited his statement to their usual simple canned statement when the FBI decides there is not enough evidence to indict, he would not have had to answer any of their questions regarding what they had reviewed and how many letters he looked at, etc.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
53. She probably won't
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 08:49 PM
Aug 2016

But she should fire him after she wins. Holding that press conference, admitting his justification was the intense public interest about the matter, which should have been more of a reason not to hold one, was an egregious, prejudicial, political act on his part. It fed into the right wing narrative of her, gave the repub congress a reason to prolong their vendetta, and made sure her public chastisement was witnessed by millions of her detractors as well as those still not prejudiced against her. It was despicable of him to use his office in that way.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
37. His resignation needs to be on her desk when she walks into
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:06 PM
Aug 2016

the oval. Maybe he can get another job working for Ken Starr.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
22. It is only because this was all framed within the context of her private email server...
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:14 PM
Aug 2016

There is nothing extraordinary about pols and staffers being sloppy with sensitive material via various means of communication. This is still going on right now as we continue to analyze this to death -- government officials are using the .gov email system to exchange sensitive information and nobody is blinking an eye. Hell they are using post-it notes too! It is not an excuse, but things are happening at lightning speed and things would come to a screeching halt if everybody was second guessing and compartmentalizing every last thing. This is a knock on a system that needs overhaul not on the people that are using it.

Response to George II (Reply #27)

Botany

(70,517 posts)
32. I does not matter now because the damage is done ....
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 06:48 PM
Aug 2016

..... and in the end that was what the right wing wanted and that was to damage
HRC.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
40. The thing is, she's still winning.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:09 PM
Aug 2016

And always has. It's like they are to blame for making her bulletproof. They have maligned her so often for so long that they've lost all credibility. Even the people who might believe a little of it, do not believe it is an issue that warrants such vindictive and hysterical hunting of her, outside of the right wing.

Botany

(70,517 posts)
54. But to a certain % of the American people she will always be "Dishonest Hillary."
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:07 PM
Aug 2016

I talked to a right winger the other day and he told me that he was going to "set me straight"
about the Clinton Foundation and all the dirt behind it and its actions. The man didn't even
know that it was a charity.

BTW Trump is toast in OH because it is mid August and he doesn't even have an office in
Cincinnati. I have come to the conclusion that his run for President is just one more con.

charlyvi

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
55. Right Wingers gonna right wing I guess
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:21 PM
Aug 2016

I've been saying for awhile that Trump doesn't want the job. He wants to make lots of money. Presidents don't make his kind of money. Plus, you know how the job ages everyone who has it; somehow, I don't think Trump's vanity could take that. Imagine if what's left of his hair began to fall out! Heh.

Hi Botany!

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
39. I have been saying on this board for a long time, that the onus is on the originator
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:07 PM
Aug 2016
not the receiver to ensure that a document is properly classified and has all the proper markings. The markings are not the same and can change from program to program. Some people here pretended to know otherwise, and kept saying that it is somehow Hillary's responsibility to know what is the proper classification of every email she receives, even if the document is not marked. Just because she's the Secretary of State, one cannot assume that she is briefed on every program and therefore has access to that information. There is a good possibility that she is briefed and does have access, but the sender is never to assume anything or take anything for granted, and the sender should never send something classified via an unclassified channel. No matter who tells you its okay. To do so, is at your own peril.

Another erroneous piece of information that the GOP and some here have repeated is the lie that Government employees have to keep every email that they receive for FOIA. Government employees delete documents every day. Every document that comes through a federal office is not subject to FOIA. Also, you might not find out there is a recent FOIA request on something that was destroyed years ago, and that doesn't mean something nefarious is going on. It would just mean that the request came too late. I've always been on the safe side and tend to save everything for as long as possible. But, every office I've ever worked at, had limited space on our servers and in our email accounts and we were constantly reminded to purge our email archive files because management knew that we didn't need to save everything and they kept telling us that we need to clean out our email box, our files were getting too big. When we get FOIA requests or documents we know may be subject to FOIA, we usually forward those to a designated person responsible for acting upon those types of requests. Most government offices don't operate under an assumption that all emails or work product is subject to FOIA because it is not.
 

glennward

(989 posts)
43. That's a point I was trying to make earlier. She did not lie to the FBI or the American people. AND
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:24 PM
Aug 2016

we now know that the e-mail sent to her were probably safer from hacking than on the State Department servers which we know have been hacked at least twice.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
45. I can see that Comey lied, and this article is purposely shortened so the lies can continue.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:30 PM
Aug 2016

Were the emails classified WHEN SENT?
Were the emails miss-marked as classified by the faulty FBI markers, even though those emails were not classified when Hillary's server received them?
Does anyone remember when Republicans hacked into the Senate/House emails, government emails?

The government servers at that time were not safer.

And,

"Extremely careless" is not "common sense," it's a ignorant stupefying lie!

Loki

(3,825 posts)
49. It really sucks to be a Republican right now.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 07:59 PM
Aug 2016

Good, I hope they choke on having to say "She didn't lie." I wish I could give them the third finger salute.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
56. WERE THE FUCK IS COMEY ?!?!?! WHY ISN'T HE BOOKED FOR EVERY TALK SHOW ON EARTH!?! Answering
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:29 PM
Aug 2016

... to his bullshit ass'd claims about Hillary!!?

Woman tax... fuck the M$M

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
57. Ethically, the FBI chief is not supposed to discuss cases publically.
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:34 PM
Aug 2016

That's why the press conference was so egregious. He should face an ethics inquiry for that.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
58. +1, then bold faced contradicted himself by saying there were classified emails on her server and th
Tue Aug 16, 2016, 10:37 PM
Aug 2016

... then confirmed NONE of the emails on her server were had the heading of classified on them.

Well WTF !?!?!

NOT ONE SHOW have I seen this guy on !!!

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