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think

(11,641 posts)
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:34 PM Aug 2016

Patrick Murphy’s natural gas votes will increase fracking, critics say

Patrick Murphy’s natural gas votes will increase fracking, critics say

By Isadora Rangel of TCPalm - Posted: Aug. 05, 2016

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VOTES AND MONEY

Murphy broke with the majority of House Democrats to support two bills in 2014 and 2015 that expedited approvals for companies that export liquefied natural gas to countries that don't have a free-trade agreement with the U.S. As a result, Freeport LNG Development of Texas is among the companies that received expedited export permits.

Freeport spent up to $260,000 to lobby Congress in 2014 and 2015, according to its lobbying registration. CEO Michael Smith also gave $5,400 to Murphy's campaign and $100,000 to pro-Murphy super PAC Floridians for a Strong Middle Class in 2015.

Smith, who has donated to Murphy's campaigns since 2012, owns a home on the same road where Murphy's parents have a condominium unit on the swanky Fisher Island off Miami Beach.

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http://www.tcpalm.com/news/politics/elections/local/patrick-murphys-natural-gas-votes-will-increase-fracking-critics-say-388bb7af-a0e2-6810-e053-0100007-389309811.html
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Patrick Murphy’s natural gas votes will increase fracking, critics say (Original Post) think Aug 2016 OP
Patrick opposes fracking and drilling in the Everglades, opposes drilling off Florida’s coast NCTraveler Aug 2016 #1
He broke with Dems to support these bills. It's right in the article.... think Aug 2016 #2
It's also right in the article that the bills have nothing to do with fracking. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #3
Follow the money! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #4
That made me laugh so hard. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #8
Right. Increasing offshore sales of liquid natural gas has NOTHING to do with fracking..... think Aug 2016 #6
No, it doesn't have to. Be honest please. Murphy is opposed to fracking. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #10
He's opposed to fracking but supports increasing sales of liquid natural gas. Is that your claim? think Aug 2016 #16
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Here is what's concerning that is going on offshore. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #18
Can you focus on the issue or are you going to try and change the subject? think Aug 2016 #19
I addressed your question completely in my subject line. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #22
"The Sierra Club and League of Conservation Voters are among the critics" think Aug 2016 #24
They should be critiquing his position here. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #28
Riiiiggghhhht, because no corporation has ever exploited a loophole in the law. Exilednight Aug 2016 #25
"Riiiiggghhhht, because no corporation has ever exploited a loophole in the law." NCTraveler Aug 2016 #29
Today, in 2016, it's a one for one tradeoff, fracking or coal Recursion Aug 2016 #5
Welcome to a Republican turned Democrat who didn't vote for the Democrats on this one. Is that think Aug 2016 #7
Yeah, adulthood. Recursion Aug 2016 #9
What did the majority of the Democrats do on this vote? Why did they choose to vote against it? think Aug 2016 #11
So, your response is to ask what others did? Interesting... Recursion Aug 2016 #13
No. My response was what did the majority of Democrats do. They voted against it. Obviously they think Aug 2016 #15
Look, I think Murphy sucks politically, but I flat out can't stomach Grayson and never could cali Aug 2016 #12
Keith could have stood a chance... that's the awful part Recursion Aug 2016 #14
yep. The upside is that they both have time. cali Aug 2016 #17
Keith at Labor and O'Malley as AG would be amazing Recursion Aug 2016 #21
That's still not exactly old. And I thought she was younger too from the photos I've seen. cali Aug 2016 #23
I just turned 40 Recursion Aug 2016 #26
Lol. And 40 seems impossibly young to me at 62. cali Aug 2016 #40
Love you, Cali Recursion Aug 2016 #53
Murphy's record & corporate financial support speaks for itself. /nt think Aug 2016 #27
Murphy is our best chance to beat Rubio mcar Aug 2016 #20
Alan Grayson beat his ex-wife. Sorry, that matters. A lot. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #30
There is both video evidence that Grayson's wife is lying and the 21 year old daughter has twice think Aug 2016 #31
So we go from Murphey & anti fracking to Grayson's daughter siding with her mom in a domestic duel misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #32
The other person threw out the claims. Was I suppose to just let that go? think Aug 2016 #33
Maybe you should address your concerns to post #30 think Aug 2016 #34
This thread is about bashing Democrats. Isn't it obvious? FSogol Aug 2016 #43
Yup. If its from TYT or Commondreams ... misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #47
The primary isn't over between Grayson and Murphy. It will be soon. think Aug 2016 #48
True. Murphy will be a great loyal Dem for our Senate. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #49
Murphy just 3 years ago as a Democrat cosponsored legislation to undermine the Affordable Care Act think Aug 2016 #50
Grayson's no better for loyalty. And he's a shit. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #51
Good luck all in .... think Aug 2016 #52
People following this know Grayson is an abuser. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #35
Who got hit in the video? Who did the daughter claim was causing the problems? think Aug 2016 #36
Not much to gain from the video at all. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #37
Skye Grayson is a 21 year old woman. Your instant dismissal of her statements because she is a think Aug 2016 #38
In no way can you find anything I have said to be "disturbing". NCTraveler Aug 2016 #39
There are police reports from Lolita Grayson going back a couple of decades. cali Aug 2016 #41
Lolitta CLEARLY lied in the last incident, claimed the daughter abused her, and that daughter now 21 think Aug 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #44
You don't trust the 21 year old woman though. Lolitta called the police on her also claiming abuse. think Aug 2016 #45
Look, could it be complicated? Sure. Could it have been both? Yep. cali Aug 2016 #46
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. Patrick opposes fracking and drilling in the Everglades, opposes drilling off Florida’s coast
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:36 PM
Aug 2016
https://www.murphyforflorida.com/vision/our-environment/

It's Murphy v Rubio. I know where I stand.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. It's also right in the article that the bills have nothing to do with fracking.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:41 PM
Aug 2016

I believe the words the author uses are "possible incentive for fracking."

This is getting better by the minute.

Maybe his challenger will pull a massive haul in Martha's Vineyard and surge past him.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. That made me laugh so hard.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:44 PM
Aug 2016

They told me to follow the money. I ended up following a link to their great candidate hanging at Martha's Vineyard fundraising events. I'm still in stitches over that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. No, it doesn't have to. Be honest please. Murphy is opposed to fracking.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Aug 2016

Lying about democrats shouldn't be allowed here. He is opposed to fracking. The article makes the distinction you aren't willing to make. You should read it.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
16. He's opposed to fracking but supports increasing sales of liquid natural gas. Is that your claim?
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Aug 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Here is what's concerning that is going on offshore.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:56 PM
Aug 2016

So much wrong in this one video. Offshore Alan.

MSNBC: Alan Grayson Blows Up Over Questions About His Offshore Hedge Fund

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. I addressed your question completely in my subject line.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:00 PM
Aug 2016

I avoided nothing.

Please watch that video. I don't expect you to.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
24. "The Sierra Club and League of Conservation Voters are among the critics"
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:10 PM
Aug 2016
The Sierra Club and League of Conservation Voters are among the critics who say more liquefied natural gas exports will provide an incentive for more fracking, a method of drilling into the earth and injecting a high-pressure mixture of water and chemicals to extract gas.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/politics/elections/local/patrick-murphys-natural-gas-votes-will-increase-fracking-critics-say-388bb7af-a0e2-6810-e053-0100007-389309811.html


I guess the Sierra Club & The League of Conservation Voters disagrees with you and your claim that the 2 things are mutually exclusive.....


As for the video. It's a nine minute video that I've watched before and he didn't blow up. The headline is hyperbole. Just like your claims.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. They should be critiquing his position here.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

Those organizations and their highlights in the article absolutely display that they are not mutually exclusive. I am now convinced you didn't read the article. You are all over the place on this one.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. "Riiiiggghhhht, because no corporation has ever exploited a loophole in the law."
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

Well done bringing in an argument not in contention. Fallacy 101.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Today, in 2016, it's a one for one tradeoff, fracking or coal
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:42 PM
Aug 2016

There's no pat answer that lets us feel good about ourselves. Welcome to adulthood.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
7. Welcome to a Republican turned Democrat who didn't vote for the Democrats on this one. Is that
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:43 PM
Aug 2016

adulthood?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Yeah, adulthood.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:44 PM
Aug 2016

What's your preference, right now: fracking, or coal? Decreasing one increases the other. Which would you rather decrease, at the cost of the other going up?

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. What did the majority of the Democrats do on this vote? Why did they choose to vote against it?
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:46 PM
Aug 2016
 

think

(11,641 posts)
15. No. My response was what did the majority of Democrats do. They voted against it. Obviously they
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

have concerns about fracking. Probably because their constituents aren't fond of fracking making water flammable...


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. Look, I think Murphy sucks politically, but I flat out can't stomach Grayson and never could
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:47 PM
Aug 2016

And he's nothing at all like Bernie. Yes, his political stances align closely with mine, but I've long had the same feeling about him that I had about John Edwards.

Furthermore he wouldn't stand a chance of beating Rubio.

It's a shame Pam Keith doesn't stand a chance.

Murphy is a blatant political opportunist, but he's the best chance at defeating Rubio and he'll be controlled by the leadership in the Senate if the dems take it back.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. Keith could have stood a chance... that's the awful part
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:49 PM
Aug 2016

I really think she could have swept it in a different environment. Same lament I have for O'Malley. Right person, wrong time.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. yep. The upside is that they both have time.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Aug 2016

Both are 53. Both would be great in a Clinton administration. Keith's background is in labor law. O'Malley might make a good choice for AG.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. Keith at Labor and O'Malley as AG would be amazing
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:00 PM
Aug 2016

And as it seems now both are "safe" choices from a "replace them" standpoint.

(Also I had thought she was much younger than that... huh...)

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
30. Alan Grayson beat his ex-wife. Sorry, that matters. A lot.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/florida-rep-alan-grayson-accused-decades-domestic-abuse-article-1.2726924

In an email sent to Politico, Lolita Grayson said that she dug up old police reports and medical records that show she sought medical treatment at least twice for injuries from the alleged abuse.


Alan Grayson deserves to lose.
 

think

(11,641 posts)
31. There is both video evidence that Grayson's wife is lying and the 21 year old daughter has twice
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:26 PM
Aug 2016

claimed her mother is lying.

But don't let facts get in your way....





The couple’s oldest daughter disputed her mother’s claims, saying her mother had “struggled with emotional issues” and that she had even been abusive to her children.

“She physically lashed out at me, my siblings and our father, and then blamed us for it, victimizing us,” Skye Grayson, 21, told Politico.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/florida-rep-alan-grayson-accused-decades-domestic-abuse-article-1.2726924

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
32. So we go from Murphey & anti fracking to Grayson's daughter siding with her mom in a domestic duel
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:38 PM
Aug 2016

Proceed. What was the thread about again?

See Post #1 to get back to the subject.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
47. Yup. If its from TYT or Commondreams ...
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:28 PM
Aug 2016

It's intent is anti-Dem Party.

So glad we have the New DU rules.
Primary ended some time ago & a new Dem Platform was agreed upon.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. People following this know Grayson is an abuser.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
Aug 2016

It really does hurt to see you stick up for a known abuser. I really think you should stop fighting for him in this area. He really is a sick and disturbed man. Please watch offshore Alans video above. Really sick and disturbing man.

Your own damn video doesn't back up your words.

Just look at this abuse piece of shit.



 

think

(11,641 posts)
36. Who got hit in the video? Who did the daughter claim was causing the problems?
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:44 PM
Aug 2016

Can you address these facts or do you have another ready to respond with?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
37. Not much to gain from the video at all.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:46 PM
Aug 2016

Daughter? Seriously?

Please stop sticking up for a known woman abuser.

Thankfully he is going to lose because of his aggressive and abusive tendencies. That and his offshore hedge fund accounts.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
38. Skye Grayson is a 21 year old woman. Your instant dismissal of her statements because she is a
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Aug 2016

daughter is just profoundly disturbing....

Lolitta Grayson claimed she got hit during the incident that is on the video.

She did not get hit as the video clearly shows.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. In no way can you find anything I have said to be "disturbing".
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:59 PM
Aug 2016


I'm not the one sticking up for a wife abuser. I'm sure his daughter suffered at his hands as well. It's how pigs like Grayson operate.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
41. There are police reports from Lolita Grayson going back a couple of decades.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:06 PM
Aug 2016

There are photos of her bruised.

And sorry, Grayson is a nasty bully with a thin skin who thinks he's above the law.

Bernie he ain't.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
42. Lolitta CLEARLY lied in the last incident, claimed the daughter abused her, and that daughter now 21
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:16 PM
Aug 2016

has stated that her mom is the one with the problems.

Sorry but I trust what I see in the video which CLEARLY shows that Lolitta lied then. And I trust the daughter who claims her mom has been abusive and controlling.

Lolitta Grayson also tried to hide the fact that she was already married and got her divorce secretly after being married for four years.

Lolitta Grayson is not credible.



Response to think (Reply #42)

 

think

(11,641 posts)
45. You don't trust the 21 year old woman though. Lolitta called the police on her also claiming abuse.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:21 PM
Aug 2016
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
46. Look, could it be complicated? Sure. Could it have been both? Yep.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:24 PM
Aug 2016

but the bottom line is he's a hulk of a guy. She's literally half his size, if that.

And children who grow up in abusive households frequently have a distorted lens and many side with the abusive parent.

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