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Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 11:02 PM Aug 2016

People Warn Against Underestimating Trump. Do You Think the Opposite Is Actually True?

People say that the republicans underestimated him in the primaries and the democrats can't make the same mistake. We need to be ultra cautious because he may have a brilliant strategy up his sleeve. Do you ever think that the only reason why he is still considered even marginally viable as a candidate and is seen as a minimal threat to Clinton is that too many people overestimate him? Do you think that the fear that he is a master strategist that is 10 steps ahead of Clinton and ready to spring a trap is the only thing propping him up at this point? If everyone woke up tomorrow and realized that Trump is more like the kid in class, sitting in the corner, and eating glue and less of the child prodigy, that whatever viability his candidacy still seems to have would evaporate in an instant? Is he not unlike America's view of the USSR in the 1980's? Many people thought they were an unstoppable juggernaut that would conquer the world in the blink of an eye, when in reality they could barely figure out how to build cars that didn't instantly explode as soon as it started to rain (a slight exaggeration). And that massive build up of arms and fear in the West was really the only thing keeping them limping along for a few extra years before they totally imploded under the weight of their own incompetence?

People point to the primaires, claiming Trump crushed the grand opposition of...Ted Cruz....and Marco Rubio? A man child that could barely string together a sentence and the most hated person the country? And even then Trump ended up with the lowest percentage of the vote for any nominee in any Republican primary since the beginning of Republican primaries. And since wrapping up the primaries, his campaign has been like watching someone fall down the up escalator. Aren't we all just standing around, watching this, thinking "this old man falling down the escalator...it has to be some brilliant marketing strategy or performance art or youtube prank, this is building to something", when in reality its just an old man falling down the escalator. Are we just propagating the idea that this doofus, that has a vocabulary of 15 words, has a real shot at being president and isn't that the only thing that allows him to have any shot to win (as minimal as it is)?

Really it brings to mind this clip from The Simpsons. We may be thinking that Trump's flailing and obvious stupidity is part of a frightening ambush but really we are just giving a crazy narcissist exactly what he wants: attention. And in that attention, he seems important and if he seems important, isn't the only thing keeping him going. And in that way, have we not lost?



I wonder if we are all Mr. Burns right now. Giving up way more than we should in greatly overestimating a complete moron .
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People Warn Against Underestimating Trump. Do You Think the Opposite Is Actually True? (Original Post) Doctor Jack Aug 2016 OP
I think you've hit the nail on the head. stopbush Aug 2016 #1
Man, Glamrock Aug 2016 #2
It's the media we have to worry about unblock Aug 2016 #3
Spot on. TrishaJ Aug 2016 #6
We must not underestimate the uggly vicious nature of his voters. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #4
Yup. THAT's where it's important not to underestimate. Hortensis Aug 2016 #7
Trump is not a dysfunctional buffoon. He has played the right, the media, and the working class Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #10
Trump has a well known cluster B personality disorder. Hortensis Aug 2016 #11
Absolutely! betsuni Aug 2016 #5
HIs team Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #8
Underestimating is how we got George W and Reagan MiniMe Aug 2016 #9

unblock

(52,227 posts)
3. It's the media we have to worry about
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 11:25 PM
Aug 2016

Shrub was an obviously inept idiot and the media said yes! That's what we need! Gore is smart and stable and competent, who wants that in a president, right?

They may yet do the same with this election. If trump can fake a semblance of normalcy during the debates or even in October, the media has a number of dangerous narratives to choose from.

TrishaJ

(798 posts)
6. Spot on.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 07:55 AM
Aug 2016

Corporate cable infotainment passing it's programming off as "news" has done a lot of damage. You cite Bush vs Gore. Remember the "Swiftboat Scum for Truth?" This is one of the biggest examples of a cable network posing as "news" influencing a Presidential election by giving credibility to garbage during Bush vs Kerry. Solution is to turn them OFF.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Yup. THAT's where it's important not to underestimate.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 08:00 AM
Aug 2016

Except that many of them are rebelling against electoral representation of the wealthy and sacking of the working classes. And just who is protecting the wealthy by diverting all focus to racism and xenophobia? The corporate media, of course.

Looking at the right beyond them, though, it's also important not to underestimate the right's calcified resistance to anything the Democrats want to do. They've been drinking that Kool-Aid for decades, and most of their current political beliefs are built around that certitude. In fact, for many it IS their only articulable political belief: They have to stop the Democrats. And many will come out only for that reason.

As for Trump, he's just a dysfunctional buffoon who would destroy and re-destroy his candidacy almost literally daily if not propped up by corrupt media and his foolish supporters.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
10. Trump is not a dysfunctional buffoon. He has played the right, the media, and the working class
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 11:24 AM
Aug 2016

like a Stradivarius. Only by turning out against him in sufficient numbers can we keep him from becoming President.

I keep running into union members and the working poor who will vote for him because he has convinced them that he will change things when he has made a history of dumping on the working Class and working poor, and his allies are Republicans who detest unions and the working poor.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Trump has a well known cluster B personality disorder.
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 11:32 AM
Aug 2016

Some may not like that idea, but it literally explains everything about his bizarre behaviors.

There is nothing new about the appeal of bigotry, xenophobia, and resentment against haves (all typical populist passions), and it takes no brilliance for a man with oratorical skills to push those always-flashing buttons. Trump's been doing it to get attention and display his magnificent power for decades. That some people see Trump as a strong man and seize upon him as the leader they need does not change him in the slightest. He is what he is.

And of course he will benefit himself if he can. But most of the very wealthy stay away from him because they've had experts study him, and they know he has no ideology beyond his own glorification and cannot be counted on for even a half hour to do what he says he will.

He is not interested in controlling himself--he admires himself the way he is, and others cannot control him. A true loose cannon, swinging erratically not just with the waves, but each errant little mental breeze.

betsuni

(25,519 posts)
5. Absolutely!
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:59 AM
Aug 2016

I can't imagine what people think is going to happen that would make non-hard-core Republican voters choose Trump suddenly. The whole false equivalency effort is failing.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
8. HIs team
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 09:02 AM
Aug 2016

The team around him is very lacking, there is no diversity of views. You have Roger Ailes as probably the voice of reason between Mannon, Hannity, Ailes, and Conway. So they are trying to pivot, but they are incapable of doing it in such a way as to keep their rabid racist followers at the same time as making an appeal to the middle. As if the people in the middle aren't going to see through Trump praising Obama on Immigration. It would take a very skilled team to accomplish what Trump is trying to accomplish.

He went to far Right to win the GOP nomination, way further right than he had to. It's a very difficult task for him to now try to appear sane. When O'Reilly is slamming you to your face you've lost as a Republican.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
9. Underestimating is how we got George W and Reagan
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 10:51 AM
Aug 2016

I don't underestimate because the alternative to Hillary scares me to death

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