2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAP report on the Clinton Foundation is WRONG!
I heard about this VOX Report on a Progressive Radio station on SIRIUS. Its quite good & explains what the AP got wrong and they should have chalked up the loss of the $$ spent on investigating as just too bad, there's nothing there.
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/24/12618446/ap-clinton-foundation-meeting
According to their reporting, Clinton spent a remarkably large share of her time as Americas chief diplomat talking to people who had donated money to the Clinton Foundation. She went out of her way to help these Clinton Foundation donors, and her decision to do so raises important concerns about the ethics of her conduct as secretary and potentially as president. Its a striking piece of reporting that made immediate waves in my social media feed, as political journalists of all stripes retweeted the storys headline conclusions.
Except it turns out not to be true. The nut fact that the AP uses to lead its coverage is wrong, and Braun and Sullivans reporting reveals absolutely no unethical conduct. In fact, they found so little unethical conduct that an enormous amount of space is taken up by a detailed recounting of the time Clinton tried to help a former Nobel Peace Prize winner whos also the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and a Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Heres the bottom line: Serving as secretary of state while your husband raises millions of dollars for a charitable foundation that is also a vehicle for your familys political ambitions really does create a lot of space for potential conflicts of interest. Journalists have, rightly, scrutinized the situation closely. And however many times they take a run at it, they dont come up with anything more scandalous than the revelation that maybe billionaire philanthropists have an easier time getting the State Department to look into their visa problems than an ordinary person would.
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Theres just nothing here. Thats the story. Braun and Sullivan looked into it, and as best they can tell, shes clean. Unfortunately, theres a financial incentive to lean in the other direction. NBC News found that one major Clinton Foundation donor was a for-profit college whose interests Hillary Clinton has utterly failed to champion, so NBC turned it into a hypocrisy story.
It's a fairly long and detailed article, but worth the read.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)aid to assist them in the needs of their lives. Very few others have done the same, 90% of the money received by the Clinton goes to the needs of others, only about 10% goes to cover overhead. The Bill and Linda Gates foundation helps others also, not everyone is like a Donald Trump where taking from the poor is a victory for him.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)something wrong, even when the facts don't provide any evidence of wrongdoing!
Recommended!
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)coverage. Believe the CEO of this sucker,was a prominent GOP Stooge.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)calimary
(81,261 posts)Just check out his wikipedia profile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Fournier
In May 2008, Fournier was named the acting Washington bureau chief, replacing his "mentor" Sandy Johnson.[citation needed] Michael Calderone wrote that since taking over the position, Fournier has led a dramatic shift in the AP's policy, moving it away from the neutral and objective tone it had become known for and toward a more opinionated style that would make judgments when conflicting opinions were presented in a story.[4] (emphasis is mine)
FUCKER.
He yanked the AP out of objectivity and pushed it toward partisanship. The whirlwind they reaped because of him is now proven:
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/08/24/how-the-ap-spun-the-story-about-the-clinton-foundation/
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/24/1563436/-The-media-has-the-Clinton-Foundation-story-upside-down
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/24/1563375/-What-the-Clinton-Foundations-does-and-why-Hillary-Clinton-should-point-to-it-with-pride
I'm sure there's more on this specifically. But what I'm starting to like, A LOT, is an intriguing increase I've noticed in stories about journalistic malpractice. And I use the term "journalistic" rather loosely here. Because this isn't real journalism, where you don't come with, or try to reinforce a point of view you already have. Just like you don't DECIDE you want to go to war, and then you go around trying to find "evidence" and other "justification" for going to war.
Hillary has been fucking PERSECUTED. FOR YEARS. Almost 25 of 'em. That's a QUARTER CENTURY. Sorry I'm yelling, but I am fucking INFURIATED!!!!!! This profession I used to love and take such pride in having been part of - is for shit, now. It's just for shit. No wonder reporters are held in generally low regard in public opinion.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/new-book-reveals-con-man-donald-trump-is-even-sleazier-and-more-underhanded-than-you-think/
DCJ: Let me tell you one more thing that I think your audience would cotton to. Last week I did 19 hours on TV and radio one day, and then 12 hours, and 12, and 11. Its all Ive been doing since the book came out. Its TV and radio to the point where its all a big blur. I have been on national television in Australia, multiple channels; Japan, Canada, multiple channels; England, multiple channels; France, multiple channels; Germany, national news programs.
None of the three U.S. networks have had a word bout my book. And they have not had me on the Sunday morning talk shows.
I had a producer for a cable show, who I know and bitched about some of this with, and who said to me, David, they would never have you on a Sunday morning talk show for the most obvious reason. You should know that. I said, Whats the obvious reason? She said, Well, you would talk actual facts and substance. Watch these shows, theyre all superficial nonsense. Thats my wordsuperficial nonsense. It would show up to audiencesthe paucity of this. PBS had me on. Everything I said that dealt with Donald and crooks and mobsters, they cut out.
Here's another couple of great ones that do the complaining for me...
http://bluenationreview.com/weve-reached-peak-hillary-hate/
http://bluenationreview.com/hillarycoverageiscrap/
It's just INFURIATING!!! Hell, I was just an entertainment reporter for the AP when I worked there, so even if I raised objections to something like this, nobody'd have paid much attention. I worked there from 1987-1996, when I retired. None of that shit was happening yet, as far as I could tell, although my beat was so overbearing and carnivorous I wouldn't have had time to keep track. That SOB Fournier came aboard in 2008, in the DC bureau, and opened the lid of the partisan/advocacy/screw-objectivity Pandora's Box. And the AP is now ruined. Its sterling reputation flushed straight down the crapper.
I won three AP Mark Twain trophies for my work, locally, before I joined the AP. I was almost literally outta-my-mind proud of that. They're small, less than a foot high, with a bust of Mark Twain on a wooden pedestal. There's an inscription on a little metal plaque on the front, that's a Mark Twain quote:
"There are only two forces that can carry light to all corners of the globeonly twothe sun in the heavens and the Associated Press down here."
Breaks my heart.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)I see the swing voters as wanting fewer words. Sad. Okay. But, fight we must.
The long list of attacks might well be their Achilles heel. Each either hitting a strong point, or made to hide something they themselves had done.
Then the truth. (No smarm.) Despite 18 months investigating benghazi and finding nothing but rhetoric, they did not check into the death of Vince Foster, travelgate, Hillary taking on health care when she was only a housewife?
I don't know.
I'm mad too.
I'm still mad that Al Gore supposedly told three lies, not one of which was a lie. Not one. To this day, if you look at the video of him saying he invented the internet, you can see for yourself that he DOES NOT USE THE WORD INVENTED -- AT ALL IN THAT VIDEO! Not at all, not once.
So, why did you, John Q. Public, believe he did. Believe with all your heart he did. Believe it so hard that you'd swear you heard it until you look at it word by word.
Frustrating!
calimary
(81,261 posts)made it a household phrase. Being a wise-ass with a very prominent platform (the New York Times) and some cutesy, catchy wordplay. She thought she was so cool and her shit didn't stink and she somehow had it in for Al Gore. And unfortunately, when it's clever enough, the rest of the lemmings in the media pick it up and run with it.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)trying to turn it into something nefarious. Screw them. And turn them off.
napi21
(45,806 posts)and the moderator was asking him about why Hillary was not doing press conferences. Howard basically said he wouldn't do any either because the MSM just ask stupid questions.
He was asked several other dumb questions and when she asked him how he would change the MSM, he said: "Journalism will fix itself! Lots of people have already turned to the Internet for their news because there is no journalism on TV anymore. Pretty soon, what is pawned off as news on TV now won't have ANY VIEWERS!"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is to see HOW they cover a story, what bias they're pushing. There is also a bias, and if it's Hillary the bias is usually severe.
Secondarily, I may tune in to see WHAT or IF they're covering, but with their focus on pleasing as many viewers as possible and selling as much commercial time as possible, my base assumption is that most significant news is not covered.
But the tuning in is never for the news, only information on what they're pushing.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Here we go with more baseless smears.
SunSeeker
(51,552 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)let @AP know you want them to take their inaccurate article down and correct the record. It is not acceptable for them to keep this up there. Help us hammer the media which is trying to force a horse race by carrying Trump's water for him. Now, GO!
Reference article for you:
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/24/12618446/ap-clinton-foundation-meeting
LiberalFighter
(50,925 posts)Along with tweeting criticism to Andrea Mitchel and others.