2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver has "doubts" about Trump's Mexico visit
Amused by divide between reporters who assume Mexico visit will be a diplomatic coup for Trump!!! & those who assume it will be a shitshow.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/770831760280125440
I'm #TeamShitshow, because come the fuck on, this is Donald Trump visiting Mexico with Rudy & Sessions on 2 days notice. But, we'll see.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/770837987626250241
The fact that we have a TeamShitshow hashtag gives me the warm and fuzzies.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Arapaho, or however he spells his name.
With just Rudy and Donald, I spell it clusterfuck. If one adds the AZ sheriff, that would be major clusterfuck.
Oh brother!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)"No, Mr. Trump, mexico is not going to pay for your wall. Believe me."
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I 100% hope Nieto publicly denounces Trump and declares that Mexico isn't going to pay for any fucking wall.... But I suspect he is too much od a diplomat to do that.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's a general rule of politics not to enter into unpredictable situations or cede control of an event or happening to someone who wants to hurt you. President Nieto definitely does not want Donald Trump to become President. He probably assumes he won't become president, simply by reading the polls. President Nieto is himself quite unpopular at the moment. But no one is more unpopular than Donald Trump. Trump is reviled. Toadying to Trump would be extremely bad politics; standing up to him, good politics.
Put those factors together and Peña Nieto has massive and overlapping reasons to want to embarrass Trump. At a minimum since he's probably not eager to create a true international incident, he has zero interest in appearing in any way accommodating or helpful. The calculus might be different if Trump seemed likely to be the next US President. Mexico is a minor power with the world colossus on its doorstep. But a Trump presidency seems unlikely. Far likelier, Peña Nieto will need to build a relationship with Hillary Clinton. These factors combined make for an inherently dangerous political situation for Donald Trump, especially since the atmospherics of this meeting will be the backdrop for Trump's evening speech which is itself an incredibly important moment and one in which he has set for himself what is likely an impossible challenge.
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