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Inside the Eye of Tropical Flip-Flop Donald (Original Post) tgards79 Sep 2016 OP
Is Trump now sounding like Rubio on immigration? reggieandlee Sep 2016 #1
The explanation is simple meow2u3 Sep 2016 #2
Or he is simply trying to have it all ways... tgards79 Sep 2016 #3
Trump Bush Rubio are actually now aligned on immigration. reggieandlee Sep 2016 #5
Trump now supports Citizen's United, He flip and he flops UCmeNdc Sep 2016 #4
Taking it to a new art form... tgards79 Sep 2016 #6

reggieandlee

(778 posts)
1. Is Trump now sounding like Rubio on immigration?
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:51 PM
Sep 2016

This piece is worth reading for the comedy, but there are some substantive comments that I have not read elsewhere. Most pointedly, the writer points out that Trump's Phoenix speech ended with the comment that he won't deal with the issue of law-abiding undocumented aliens until "all the other steps have been taken." Meaning: he has clearly changed his tune on immediately deporting all eleven million undocumented aliens currently in the U.S., and that he will only take on this issue once all ten steps of his program are in place... the wall, the "extreme vetting," the citizenship loyalty test; everything. Basically, he is now saying what Rubio was saying back in the Florida primary... that he refused to even talk about the issue of the status of law-abiding undocumented aliens "until the border has been sealed." Exact same position as Rubio, only this time, Trump espouses it instead of ridiculing it.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
2. The explanation is simple
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 10:17 PM
Sep 2016

Trump is a bully when he gets to hide behind his unhinged, extremist supporters, but wilts like a dead flower when confronted with someone his own size.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
3. Or he is simply trying to have it all ways...
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 02:43 AM
Sep 2016

...or all of that is true AND he is trying to have it all ways! The debates have to smoke him out on this one, and the moderators will surely try.

reggieandlee

(778 posts)
5. Trump Bush Rubio are actually now aligned on immigration.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:19 AM
Sep 2016

It is actually very interesting that most people in the mainstream press are focused on the fact that Trump's Phoenix speech seemed to be a return to the hard right after he had appeared to flirt with more "humane" approaches in the prior week, particularly in his open polling of the audience in the Hannity town hall. Yet the change in his position in no longer demanding that all undocumented aliens be deported essentially puts him in relatively close alignment with where Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio had been a year ago. They all said to build a wall and seal the border. No one knows what extreme vetting or his citizenship/loyalty test really means. So the only difference between these three guys is that Trump is saying Mexico will pay for the wall, which it won't.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
6. Taking it to a new art form...
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 03:31 PM
Sep 2016

..and he was supposed to be a straight talker, if nothing else. What next, Pence out and Chris Christie for VP after all?

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