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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 08:43 AM Sep 2016

Challenging Sexist Language: an open letter to the NYT



We are an organization of thousands of women who enthusiastically support Secretary Hillary Clinton for president. Our members know very well her qualifications, experience, hard work, policies, concern for issues important to all Americans, trustworthiness, kindness, and graciousness.

That is why we were appalled to read a story published in the digital edition of The New York Times on Monday, originally titled Presidential Candidates Gear Up for a Busy Labor Day, in which reporter Ashley Parker referred to Secretary Clinton as a “politician’s-wife-turned-politician-herself” who spent the summer “hobnobbing…with celebrities.” In two demeaning, sexist sentences, The Times dismissed Secretary Clinton’s extraordinary accomplishments, including her Yale law degree, the decades she spent working for the poor and underprivileged, her eight years as a senator from New York, and her four years as secretary of state (in addition to her eight years as first lady).

By attempting to delegitimize the secretary or depict her as a frivolous party-hopper, The Times has done the candidate a grave disservice. Secretary Clinton is a hardworking candidate who has been campaigning, honing policy, and doing voter outreach for more than year. That she spent some of August undertaking traditional fundraising, as have her predecessors, is not surprising given the requirements of running a campaign. We would venture to guess, however, that if the Clinton campaign were cash poor, The Times would be the first to point a finger of doom.

And while the wording of the article, and the bias it revealed, angered us, the surreptitious editing that followed—perhaps in response to tweets and emails—without any mea culpa from the editors, only exacerbated the problem. As this NewsDiff log of the various incarnations of the story shows, the original version, posted before 9:00 am, remained on nytimes.com virtually untouched for eight and a half hours. Most readers internalized that story, flaws and all. It wasn’t until after 5:00 pm that the online post was significantly revised—without a time stamp or editor’s note of explanation—now calling Secretary Clinton a “veteran politician” but leaving the “hobnobbing” comment intact. The current live draft, released after midnight, became the above-the-fold lead story in Tuesday’s print edition. The “hobnobbing” characterization was gone, but the writer could not resist a snarky assertion that Secretary Clinton “made nice with the news media” on her airplane yesterday, as if she somehow owed them something.


http://wisewomenforclinton.com/challenging-sexist-language-open-letter-new-york-times/
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Challenging Sexist Language: an open letter to the NYT (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2016 OP
Knr joeybee12 Sep 2016 #1
Good! bettyellen Sep 2016 #2
"hobnobbing" is sexist? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #3
Try some context. nt JTFrog Sep 2016 #4
Try explaining the context Major Nikon Sep 2016 #6
The "wife" "hobnobbing with celebrities." pnwmom Sep 2016 #24
So is "hobnobbing" supposed to be some kind of insult? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #25
That word in that context is sexist, since the NYT doesn't use similar terms talking about Trump pnwmom Sep 2016 #26
Had the two spent the same amount of time doing the same thing, you might have something Major Nikon Sep 2016 #27
It is there LakeArenal Sep 2016 #7
Please explain it to me then Major Nikon Sep 2016 #9
Con-text. Reading comprehension is a key skill for Democrats. Hekate Sep 2016 #28
I suggest you didn't read and comprehend the OP Major Nikon Sep 2016 #30
certainly in terms of the furor and poutrage over her associations with people as SoS and niyad Sep 2016 #11
Probably because orange man hasn't been dragging celebrities around on the fundraising circuit Major Nikon Sep 2016 #15
probably because few celebrities worthy of the name actually like him. niyad Sep 2016 #16
I didn't miss your point. I dismissed it. Major Nikon Sep 2016 #20
of course you do, because you deny the sexism that permeates every single word and image niyad Sep 2016 #21
"sexism that permeates every single word and image of coverage about HRC" Major Nikon Sep 2016 #22
and all that from another female no less. eom Ligyron Sep 2016 #5
"all women are not my sisters" niyad Sep 2016 #17
The NYT is part of the entrenched corporate media that has been hunting the Clintons for years. baldguy Sep 2016 #8
Whoops. I missed your post and Skidmore Sep 2016 #10
the more attention this sexist bs receives, the better. niyad Sep 2016 #12
sadly, this surprises absolutely none of us who have been paying attention. niyad Sep 2016 #13
"Making nice" - can you imagine someone saying that about a man? LuckyLib Sep 2016 #14
not a chance! niyad Sep 2016 #18
. . . niyad Sep 2016 #19
. . . . niyad Sep 2016 #23
K and f*king R Hekate Sep 2016 #29

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. The "wife" "hobnobbing with celebrities."
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:39 PM
Sep 2016

Where have you read NY Times stories describing Trump hobnobbing with celebrities? And yet he has also had dinners with major fundraisers.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
25. So is "hobnobbing" supposed to be some kind of insult?
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:55 PM
Sep 2016

Someone who is offended by that word seems to be trying a little too hard.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. That word in that context is sexist, since the NYT doesn't use similar terms talking about Trump
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:57 PM
Sep 2016

when he hobnobs with wealthy celebrities.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. Had the two spent the same amount of time doing the same thing, you might have something
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 12:06 AM
Sep 2016

The article is pointing out what the two candidates did differently over the summer. Trump spent more time with his hate rallies and Clinton spent more time with celebrities doing fundraising.

It's no secret Hillary spends a lot of time with celebrities in fundraising events. Nothing at all wrong with it, nor is describing it as "hobnobbing" which is in no way a slight.

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
7. It is there
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:30 AM
Sep 2016

Where do you think Donald spent his summer? In the slums of Calcutta. The media always seems to forget with whom Donald used to "hobnob". He's always bragging about Mara "whatever it's called" in Florida. Celebrities like Regis drop that name a lot.

The only thing the writer missed was who designed the blue pantsuit SECRETARY OF STATE Clinton wore.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Please explain it to me then
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:41 AM
Sep 2016

Whether or not this is a slight or not might or might not be debatable, but I'd like to know exactly how this is sexist. The same language could be used to describe those same activities if her husband were in the same place.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
28. Con-text. Reading comprehension is a key skill for Democrats.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 12:27 AM
Sep 2016

That article reeks. The entirety of it, rather than a single word.

Except "wife." Really? Turn all of her accomplishments into being a politician's widdle wifey? Oh, barf.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. I suggest you didn't read and comprehend the OP
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 09:00 AM
Sep 2016
That is why we were appalled to read a story published in the digital edition of The New York Times on Monday, originally titled Presidential Candidates Gear Up for a Busy Labor Day, in which reporter Ashley Parker referred to Secretary Clinton as a “politician’s-wife-turned-politician-herself” who spent the summer “hobnobbing…with celebrities.” In two demeaning, sexist sentences, The Times dismissed Secretary Clinton’s extraordinary accomplishments, including her Yale law degree, the decades she spent working for the poor and underprivileged, her eight years as a senator from New York, and her four years as secretary of state (in addition to her eight years as first lady).


One has to read a lot into those two sentences. Someone is just trying too hard here.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
11. certainly in terms of the furor and poutrage over her associations with people as SoS and
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:52 AM
Sep 2016

the Clinton Foundation. it has been out there for quite some time now. and no comparable talk about orange man's associations, so, yes, SEXIST.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
16. probably because few celebrities worthy of the name actually like him.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
Sep 2016

but, way to so miss the point.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
20. I didn't miss your point. I dismissed it.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
Sep 2016

The journalist was contrasting what each candidate did over the summer, not comparing their associations. Trump spent most of his time going from one hate rally to the next, while Clinton spent more time fundraising with the help of celebrities. These are facts not in dispute near as I can tell. I get that you're trying to offer an explanation for something that doesn't appear to have one, but this is really reaching.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
21. of course you do, because you deny the sexism that permeates every single word and image
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:10 PM
Sep 2016

of coverage about HRC, and has for the last 30 years. you can say whatever you want, we do know the truth.

and, you might want to read this article, which explains the whole situation very well indeed:

http://wonkette.com/606294/hillary-clinton-attended-birthday-party-of-clinton-foundation-official-bill-clinton-go-to-jail

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. "sexism that permeates every single word and image of coverage about HRC"
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:20 PM
Sep 2016

This explains quite a bit. Not only is this a pretty wild and ridiculous assertion, if I disagree with just one aspect of someone pulling the sexism card then I MUST deny all sexist reporting of HRC.

Brilliant!

I'm not going down this rabbit hole any farther with you.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
8. The NYT is part of the entrenched corporate media that has been hunting the Clintons for years.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:40 AM
Sep 2016

So at every opportunity they broadcast every negative rumor, gossip, and whisper, and blow up every "scandal" to enormous proportions, in spite of any validity the stories may have.

If the NYT is publishing a unflattering article on the Clintons, you can be sure it's about a dead horse that's been beaten to dust and is currently pushing up daises.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
10. Whoops. I missed your post and
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:47 AM
Sep 2016

inadvertently posted a duplicate. Sorry. I'll let it stand since it has responses.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
12. the more attention this sexist bs receives, the better.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 11:53 AM
Sep 2016

please direct me to yours, so that I can rec it.

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