2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPeople Seem to Be Agreeing with Clintons "Deplorables" Comment
Woke up to this news story today and decided to take a lap around the internet to see how people were reacting. Besides a few butt hurt trump supporters, most people seem to agree 100% with Clinton. Go to the comments section of any non-right wing news site and virtually everyone (seriously I'm not cherry picking here) is saying things like:
Not a Hillary fan but yeah, that sounds about right. Maybe a little less than half - I'm an optimist.
Trump has said 50 things worse in national forums. Hillary will catch hell for this but the reality is that Trump has tapped in to the worst instincts of a number or people who have found a leader they think shares their world view. It is just as she describes. We have seen them unearthed and raised up.
Sorry KellyAnne/Donald - you can dish it out but you sure can't take it. Too bad so sad for you.
Keep it up Hillary.
Only half? That seems low... One thing we do know is that 100% of them are morons.
Thank you! Its about time someone tells it like it is. At Trumps rallies they are selling and hanging the confederate flag. Whats on the t shirts they are wearing and selling are horrible. They say racist things and are just deplorable. While the other half stands and sits there listening to these awful people. Besides TRUMP HAS HIRED A WHITE NATIONALIST TO RUN HIS CAMPAIGN. SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. Lord help us !!!
Not insult, just pure fact.
So Clinton "insults" Trump voters and she has to apologize, while Trump insulted muslims, Mexicans, Latinos, gays, POW's, women, handicapped, Chinese, Asians in general, (must have missed some) and he gets to double down on his comments? I Somehow get the feeling different standards are used for the 2 presidential candidates.
Hillary Clinton is right. Half of Trump's supporters ARE deplorable. And the other half are far worse.
Hillary's 110% correct on this. High time someone yelled it from the rooftops.
these people need to be shamed back into the closet. What they've been emboldened to do over past yr is deplorable
Trumpites are in the deplorable basket. Racists, ignorant aholes will not get our country
The only people bitching are hard core trump supporters and right wing political pundits.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,728 posts)that's what is deplorable.
DarthDem
(5,257 posts)Thanks for this! Where did each comment you cited come from? I'd like to read some of the context!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-trump-deplorables_us_57d3af14e4b06a74c9f4ec70?section=&
https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/774637831348162560
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/774590070355529728?lang=en
DarthDem
(5,257 posts)n/t
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)fact Duke was running an ad in Louisiana asking people to go out and vote for Duke and Trump.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)his children knew more about the Klan than we will ever know.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)This feigned indignation crap - now the wheels are turning quickly - let's have this discussion - and NO , those of you in the BASKET of DEPLORABLES - there will be no apology - IF THE SHOE FIT'S - WEAR IT!
Thank you Madam Secretary....
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)the fact that she is female is just too much for them to overcome, regardless of how deplorable they find Trumpenstein and his followers.
KT2000
(20,590 posts)trump can be the biggest asshole in the world but this election is really about the people who support him and their hideous belief in white supremacy. They are racists.
Pluvious
(4,326 posts)... Instead of apologizing Hillary had said:
"Looks like Don the Con can dish it out but not take it"
But then, I'd just be stooping to the worm's own level.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)How can you insult American citizens?! But in the same breath they say things like
Trayvon Martin = a deplorable.
The purge begins in January! Clean these anti-American progressive rats out of DC and then get them out of the colleges and universities.
On the contrary, Hillary is the one supported by the "baskets of deplorables" consisting mostly of LGBT and EBT card holders; she wants to keep them dependent on Govt. handouts forever to ensure they keep voting for slimy Democratic candidates like her! She as well as Bill Clinton had insulted the blacks but they keep voting for these crooks: why? Because the DNC cannot find a decent candidate with ethics, integrity and morals!
by insulting us Republicans , Hillary just won the foodstamp vote
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)2nd metaphor: It was a scab that needed picking.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)The gamblers don't seem to think it will have any negative impact on clinton. She is sitting pretty at 75%, just like she has been for the past week or two.
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Brings all the David Dukes etc out into the open again. My guess is a stage 2 has already been planned and the appropriate TV ads booked.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Besides Trump, who's entire strategy is to talk and hope the combination of words makes sense, a campaign like Clinton's is filled with people who do nothing but plot out ways to fuck with the opponent. A presidential candidate doesn't just go on stage and start talking. This wasn't a comment that someone overheard her say or meant to never see the light of day, like Romneys 47% comment. It was added to a speech, by people that agonize over every detail of every day of the campaign. Its not a "gaffe" or a "mistake" or "a poor choice of words" it was deliberately said and is likely part of a larger plan.
Clinton and her team aren't just winging it as they go. They almost certainly are up to something. We will just have to see what the next move is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for diverse supporters and challenging conservatives to examine their positions. And of course the unusual phrase "basket of deplorables" was chosen to be memorable, though appropriate for a woman (women "do" baskets), knowing that it would be quoted again and again out of context.
Her subsequent "regret" statement included the term "deplorable" twice and only "corrected the numbers," i.e., for suggesting a full half were deplorable. Oh, here I go too.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The deplorables think it's Hell.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Team Trump has been attempting to 'pivot' and appear less racist in an attempt to attract white moderate swing voters.
Hillary is kicking the hornets nest, to try to force the deplorables into the open, and force the media to focus on it.
And it wasn't the first time she used the phrase, so clearly intentional.
As someone noted below, the phrase is a feminine phrase, evokes the image of a woman walking with a basket of flowers etc.
This phrase IMO is targeted for moderate suburban white women, who are often the swing vote in presidential elections.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)oasis
(49,426 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)It's about time the racists are called out and put under a spotlight. Bravo Hillary!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the guilty dog (tRumps deplorable supporters) barks first.
NYC Liberal
(20,137 posts)Trump gets a pass because the people he insults are not straight white Christian males.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Seems like a theme that has been bubbling under the surface for the last week, especially after the Matt Lauer shitstorm, is that the media treats Clinton far more harshly than Trump. Trump can talk about using a foreign government to spy on his political opponents, killing Clinton, and calling most mexicans rapists and murders and the media just says "meh". Clinton can literally cough during a speech and they treat it like breaking news. Same thing here. Trump can attack anyone who isn't a white male and the media shrugs and walks away. Clinton attacks racist elements in Trumps base and "oh that is so mean. SCANDAL! SCANDAL! EVERYONE ITS A SCANDAL!".
We will see how the dems follow up on this one but it is likely part of something bigger.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Nothing can otherwise explain the level of support for that slime.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Look around next time you go to work or out to dinner or shopping. You'll see a lot of people who are planning to vote for Trump, or considering it. They'll be nicely and respectably dressed and groomed--one of the most reliable clues for guessing someone could be conservative before they open their mouths, smiling and chatting pleasantly with each other, attentive parents or grandparents if children are along, and none of them will have their fingers up their noses.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Hillary was smart to drive a wedge between tRump's base and his leaners.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)irredeemable bigots toward OTHERS are good, nicely dressed and behaved people toward THEIR OWN.
That said, whenever I happen to see a Trump rally on TV I'm always checking the crowd for the quiet people who may be getting an interesting lesson in what they are part of...
ejbr
(5,856 posts)she should have said this sooner.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)She called a lot of people ion my family deplorable. That was indeed wrong even though it is deplorable to me that they have become conservatives when we were raised as progressive liberal social Democrats who considered Nixon a corrupt asshole.
adigal
(7,581 posts)And I'm sorry that they are in your family and mine, too, but they ARE deplorable.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Man, I hope this is the beginning of a turnaround. We need to stay on it.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)it was a flap but didn't really hurt him. And this time, the same people have been emboldened. As someone said up thread, time to tell them to go back to their caves. If being politically correct means you can't incite violence and be racist, count me in.
calimary
(81,523 posts)These people DO need to be shut up, shut down, AND shamed back into the closet. A lot of the trouble began when their shitty behavior found support and sustenance, and validation. Trump and Comp have made this shit OKAY!
They got their widdle feewings hurt because somebody finally said what needs to be said about them, and called them WHAT THEY ARE? They'd prefer "basket cases" instead?
adigal
(7,581 posts)Just for starters, that Mexico sends up their criminals and rapists. If I said that as a teacher, I would have been rightly fired.
But his Deplorables cheered him.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)That gives his surrogates an opening.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"deplorable" twice as she repeated her charges and only "corrected the numbers," i.e., pretended she should have said "some" instead of "half." I wouldn't be surprised at all if her regret statement was written with the initial statement as it was obviously intended to continue the conversation she started.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)My only concern is that all her opponents will push is that she "regretted" it.
They only want to push 2 second sound bites their faithful can comprehend. Their base doesn't do nuance.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Her campaign knows what it's doing. The more her opponents push this, the better.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)I sure hope so.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and deliberately, with certain goals to be achieved in mind, most definitely among them to create conversation about more deplorable Trump's supporters.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Maybe it will keep the MSM off those freaking e-mails for a while.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not holding my breath, but the editorial board of the WaPo, a major email waver, published an article the day after 1/3 of the "commander in chief" forum was devoted to using it to attack her, "The Hillary Clinton email story is out of control. The attention paid to it has far surpassed the boundaries of the facts.
Choke-and-spit-coffee hypocritical, and not exactly a confession before God, but still...the WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-email-story-is-out-of-control/2016/09/08/692947d0-75fc-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.d32af71fd78d
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)I am a borderline HRC supporter. Her comments are correct. Trump has refused to respond for his Birtherism. Seventy percent of repubs agree with the premise. Regardless if they believe it or thought it was cute. FUCK THEM. It is a well deserved punch in the mouth. In case I'm not clear, FUCK THEM. The only way to take them down is to hit them.
NBachers
(17,149 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)phallon
(260 posts)I think it's like 2/3.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Quite the double standard Trump has going there.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)gently restrained. When you just think of all the others words that would fit, it could even be considered "gracious," as so many critics seem to want from her.
I think her camp was careful to keep her gender correct in any case. Can you imagine Trump accusing her voters of being a basket of deplorables?
CarrieLynne
(497 posts)I'm an atheist but if I believed in an antichrist.. this is exactly what I would imagine it looking like
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... oh wait.....
To quote the song "The Truth" from "Handsome Boy Modeling School":
"And the truth hurts
Because the truth is all there is.
You can't hide from the truth
Because the truth is all there is."
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)I plan to use it where ever possible
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with quotes of polls that measure just how full the "basket of deplorables" is.
Here's a Forbes article on just that. Clinton's Got Data Supporting That Basket Of Deplorables http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2016/09/10/clintons-got-data-supporting-that-basket-of-deplorables/#788997633914
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)doesnt bother Team Hillary one bit." Boston Globe: "With "Basket of Deplorables" Quip, Clinton Just Made a Meme."
Yes, she did.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Half my many cousins are Republicans and it is deplorable given their roots. But, they are stellar people who love each other and their children. They are not deplorable people, but it is deplorable that pop propaganda culture has converted them into conservative voters.
LeftRant
(524 posts)There is a huge swath of disgusting individuals out there.
RobinA
(9,896 posts)but not particularly surprising, is the fact that the main point of her entire statement, which was not really about the deplorables, has been completely missed and is actually an indictment of the recent Democratic Party. As well as being absolutely correct. I'm sorry this part is getting buried, because it is something that can be remedied, while the deplorables are not.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Referring to some Trump supporters, and to their behaviors...that's cool. Broad-brushing voters, not so much.
No matter that she was essentially correct. This was a misstep, but only because it makes her look less than classy.