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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:11 PM Sep 2016

Simple reason why Hillary did not disclose the pneumonia on Friday,

the day she got her diagnosis AND went through several grueling campaign events:

She didn't feel that bad -- obviously, or she couldn't have gotten through her schedule -- and she didn't want to overshadow the memorial of 9/11 with media hysteria about her health.

If she had disclosed on Friday or Saturday, the media would have been obsessing about her decision -- whether or not to attend the memorial on Sunday -- and no matter what decision she made, whether she attended or not -- it would have been attacked by some and second-guessed by almost all.

Remember when she had the concussion and had to excuse herself from some Benghazi hearings? They said she must be faking her illness. If she had announced her pneumonia, the RW attack media would have been full of reports that it wasn't really just pneumonia, that it was any number of other much worse, chronic conditions.

And lost in all the furor would have been consideration for the memorial on Sunday and all the lives lost and all the families who were marked forever.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
1. She probably didn't disclose it because doing so would have played into Trump's hands
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:16 PM
Sep 2016

Obviously, pneumonia, especially walking pneumonia, is a treatable disease. But because of Trump's baseless, classless speculation about her health, she probably felt she couldn't disclose it and had to just tough it out. Obviously that backfired, but I certainly don't blame her for not wanting to disclose it given all the conspiracy theories about her health.

It's well known that I was a Bernie supporter this year and an Obama supporter in the 2008 primaries. But my respect for Hillary grows stronger and stronger, especially the last few days.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. This is why it is called "walking pneumonia", you can continue going and then you can not. She
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:20 PM
Sep 2016

probably thought she could make another day, another event and then she could not go any more. This is how the condition occurs.

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
3. She's tough
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016

That's for sure but do people see that or do they see the media frame Cause if it's the latter ugh

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Exactly pnwmom - as you say -
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:25 PM
Sep 2016

"and she didn't want to overshadow the memorial of 9/11 with media hysteria about her health."

If you go back to the morning presser after the CIC - you can her congestion - and some said allergies..okay - until defined on Friday by her Dr. (that is none of my business, or the press for that matter) I am the same way, but Hillary plowed through it - and made no mention, for the reasons you sight...

Seems to me, this is not about Hillary, in her mind, it is about the American people and the future of our country..

At that presser (thurs. 9/8) she even said - "if I was just a regular citizen, and not a presidential candidate, I would be doing everything in my power to make sure trump never got close to the White House" - Come hell or highwater - my take...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Disclosing this stuff is not a duty, not for her or for Trump.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Sep 2016

Pneumonia is easily treatable in generally healthy people, like them, and she has no more duty to disclose in the middle of a presidential campaign than she would a cold.

A chronic condition that could affect her ability to fulfill the duties of POTUS would be an entirely different matter, but in spite of Mitchell's attempt to draw a parallel between her early pneumonia and Carter's melanoma with brain mets, this is not one of those.

So, maybe leave this anti-Clinton argument with Andrea Mitchel, Discussionist and points farther right? WE have no duty to defend and no good reason to be defensive.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Have had walking Pneumonia
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
Sep 2016

three times in my life time so far. In each case it was brought on by fatigue and lousy diet alone with dehydration. You think you just have a bothersome cough or runny nose,and awe heck,got to go to work got bills to pay. All three times,antibiotics and a few days of of slack time,and once the fever broke,hey we we were back in full swing.

Laser102

(816 posts)
7. Again. Women don't quit. We play through the pain. Plus, we feel the world will stop if we stop.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:58 PM
Sep 2016

That is a tough woman. She had to lose consciousness to stop. During that moment, she was still more capable and intelligent than the orange tick.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
9. +1
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:04 PM
Sep 2016

And I am DAMN sick of the media pundits trying to make this more than it really is.

Hillary will be back very quickly - strong and collected because that is what STRONG WOMEN do!!!! None of that crybaby-wimpy-ass shit like the orange tick exhibits on a daily basis.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
8. In truth, no campaign ever would have been as "transparent" about this...
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
Sep 2016

as Clinton is being forced to be. No campaign is going to come out and say, "Our candidate has a serious illness."

Much ado about nothing, as usual. And the usual double standard.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Okay, but the next time she trims her nails, I want to know about it!
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:07 PM
Sep 2016

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dofus

(2,413 posts)
12. It feels as though people here are
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

thinking walking pneumonia isn't much worse than a bad cold, or a very mild case of flu. More than once I've known of someone diagnosed with walking pneumonia who suddenly took a turn for the worse and died.

It's not just a mild illness. It has the potential to be serious, even fatal. Toughing it out is not something I happen to admire.

There's an inclination in our culture to glorify those who never take time off, who sleep only a few hours a night, as if wearing yourself out like that is admirable. It's not. People, even Presidential candidates, should take care of themselves and guard their health.

I sincerely hope Clinton is taking the time off to rest and recover that she needs to take.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. It is widely variable, and it can become complicated by a secondary infection with worse bacteria.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:39 PM
Sep 2016

So it's important to take it seriously.

It got its name from the fact that people with it tend to walk around for weeks, feeling somewhat under the weather, before they finally give up and go to the doctor.

In my experience, flu has made me feel much, much sicker than walking pneumonia. But flu is usually over in a week, and pneumonia goes on for several weeks, at least without treatment. (Many people can get over viral and walking pneumonia without special treatment, unlike serious bacterial pneumonia.)

dofus

(2,413 posts)
14. Precisely the point.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:42 PM
Sep 2016

It has a genuinely deadly potential, and it appears as if Clinton got the diagnosis and only heard the word walking and not the word pneumonia.

I wonder just how strongly the doctor told her to take it easy. Or how well her staff understood how truly serious her pneumonia can be.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
15. Isn't True That Allergies Can Trigger Pneumonia?
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:43 PM
Sep 2016

Now, I have had what is called viral pneumonia often called "walking" pneumonia several times in my younger days. I did have to take off a few days but I did continue to work until my principal suggested that I take off a few days.

I've also had the worse kind of pneumonia called Mycoplasma pneumonia which is caused by a bacterium. I can attest that this form is dangerous. I got so sick that even when I tried to drink a glass of water I would up chuck it along with blood. I just could not keep anything down. I became really dehydrated and it took the doctors at Cigna two or three weeks to determine what I had contracted. I hate HMO's, but at the time that is what I selected as my healthcare provider (I'm on Medicare and a second PPO now).

I lost 50 lbs. Even when I got my diagnosis and started taking my antibiotics I still felt weak and sickly for months afterwords. I would not hope that anyone would contract this disease. Plainly put it is awful, painful and can lead to even more dangerous conditions like death.

So, Mrs. Clinton should take off a few days even weeks to start getting better. That is my recommendation. Good luck with that however.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. Your experience shows how variable all this is.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:52 PM
Sep 2016

I've also had the mycoplasma pneumonia, and I never had a temp above 99 and it was definitely a walking pneumonia (as opposed to another form of bacterial pneumonia that gave me a fever of 102 and flattened me). I read that it is often spread by children who seem to have a cold -- but they really have an upper respiratory infection with mycoplasma. They can pass it on to other people who might also get something that looks like a cold -- or, they might end up with pneumonia. Same germ attacking different parts of the respiratory system.

It is possible to start with one germ and then get a secondary infection. That happened with me once. I ended up needing two kinds of antibiotics for the different strains of pneumonia that I had.

http://time.com/4487345/hillary-clinton-pneumonia/

What is walking pneumonia?

The type of pneumonia Clinton has is unknown. But walking pneumonia is a very common type of the disease that does not require a hospital stay. People with walking pneumonia, which is often caused by a bacteria called Mycoplasma pneumoniae, often feel well enough to go about their daily activities and work. It may feel like they have a bad cold or a case of the flu. Anyone can contract walking pneumonia, which can be more frequent in the late summer and early fall, and people who work in crowded places are thought to be at a higher risk for getting it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
17. Hillary also spent 11 (eleven) hours in a Congr Republican hearing
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:04 PM
Sep 2016

Hillary also spent 11 (eleven) hours in a Congressional Republican hearing witch hunt some months back.

rock

(13,218 posts)
18. Probably a good idea
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Sep 2016

Not to encourage the Media to make any decisions. I know they can't report the news, but making decisions they do even worse!

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