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meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 04:15 PM Sep 2016

NY Times Editor Said He'd Risk Jail To Publish Trump's Taxes

Executive editor of The New York Times Dean Baquet said on a panel on Sunday that he would hypothetically risk jail if it meant a chance to publish Donald Trump's tax returns, which the GOP nominee -- against presidential election season precedent -- has refused to release.

Baquet was participating on a Harvard University panel with Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward and Academy Award-winning filmmaker Laura Poitras, CNNMoney reported.

Poitras -- whose Oscar-winning documentary "Citizenfour" was about the revelation of NSA surveillance programs by Edward Snowden -- noted hypothetically that the lawyers advising newspapers would warn of possible jail time should they release leaked returns, according to CNNMoney.

Baquet and Woodward both said they'd take the risk of a jail sentence and would argue with their papers' attorneys in favor of publishing Trump's tax returns.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-tax-returns-new-york-times-editor-baquet

Jail is very well worth the risk if it means saving the country--and the world--from a maniacal wannabe tyrant.

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NY Times Editor Said He'd Risk Jail To Publish Trump's Taxes (Original Post) meow2u3 Sep 2016 OP
That's only because they would want to get the scoop before the NY Daily News BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #1
Please Do It! misterhighwasted Sep 2016 #2
Don't ! Angel Martin Sep 2016 #12
drumpf himself said he wouldn't be elected president if his tax returns were made public. lark Sep 2016 #14
The NY tax reduction needs to be seen in context jmowreader Sep 2016 #28
3 times before he's done this, it's been challenged and he lost every time. lark Sep 2016 #31
It's what sovereign citizens do, on a larger scale jmowreader Sep 2016 #32
The "smoking gun" is his net income and net worth. tinrobot Sep 2016 #15
I agree classykaren Sep 2016 #16
It's easy for rich people to get to zero taxes Angel Martin Sep 2016 #23
I don't think anyone thinks they'll find a smoking gun........... mrmpa Sep 2016 #21
I am willing to donate gopiscrap Sep 2016 #18
I would contribute N/T BlueInPhilly Sep 2016 #34
Problem is you are encouraging someone to hack IRS computers. Not good at all. yellowcanine Sep 2016 #3
Or he could be encouraging Staph Sep 2016 #4
And I would donate to help raise his bail. William769 Sep 2016 #5
Me too gopiscrap Sep 2016 #20
It would only take one rogue IRS employee bluestateguy Sep 2016 #6
I don't know... KK9 Sep 2016 #10
I work for the IRS and I can't imagine a single IRS employee would risk leaking his return. Democrat 4 Ever Sep 2016 #19
Exactly. Angel Martin Sep 2016 #24
Now THAT is what the 4th estate is supposed to do. world wide wally Sep 2016 #7
Talk about street cred. They would be catapulted in their careers. AgadorSparticus Sep 2016 #8
When you think about it, it goes back to the question: world wide wally Sep 2016 #9
I used to think that Angel Martin Sep 2016 #27
Trump doesn't want people to know he borrows from Russian oligarchs & is less than a billionaire. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #11
Hillary can pardon them! MoonRiver Sep 2016 #13
we'll never see Trump's returns. they'll show he's not at all the 'great' businessman he says he is. Bill USA Sep 2016 #17
Blah blah blah. I'll believe it when I see it, rivegauche Sep 2016 #22
So go ahead, man, we're waiting. DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #25
Plese proceed... lunamagica Sep 2016 #26
It's a non-issue at this point Fritz Walter Sep 2016 #29
Such bold and courageous talk. Rose Siding Sep 2016 #30
I had high hopes that "Anonymous" would publish Trump's tax returns TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #33
Come on people !! Catch up !! FairWinds Sep 2016 #35

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
12. Don't !
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:25 PM
Sep 2016

I think the likelihood of finding some "smoking gun" is very small. These rich guys have plenty of legal ways to reduce and avoid taxes. The idea that journalists will find some tax evasion that the IRS missed - pretty low. And you can't tell from a return how wealthy he is or isn't.

look at this thing


The guy must have an army of accountants to just to prepare that return.

If Trump paid little or no tax, his followers will just admire him for it, and wish they could do it too.

Whoever leaks his tax info, and a journalist who uses it, are risking jail over what is likely not decisive.

lark

(23,105 posts)
14. drumpf himself said he wouldn't be elected president if his tax returns were made public.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:46 PM
Sep 2016

He's SUCH a criminal, they will be sure to show something. Lots of investments with Russian banks, lies about charity, lies about tax credits and exemptions that he claimed but were total fraud, paying almost no taxes due to illegal claims, (like 4 times in a row he applied for a NY tax reduction for people with income less than $500,000. 3 times he had to pay fines, but continued to do it, even now which is the 4th time. I am sure there's a lot there that he wants hidden.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
28. The NY tax reduction needs to be seen in context
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:06 PM
Sep 2016

It is based on ADJUSTED gross income - gross income minus deductions. If this useless bastard is running his company as an LLC, which I have heard he is, he gets to deduct a-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l his business expenses from his taxes. By using an extremely fine pencil a good accountant can turn $1 million of gross income into a thousand bucks of AGI.

Bearing in mind it may have been technically legal to ask for his school tax back, it was still the dick move of the year.

lark

(23,105 posts)
31. 3 times before he's done this, it's been challenged and he lost every time.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 11:50 AM
Sep 2016

Yes, there are legal ways to cheap on taxes, but what he's doing isn't legal at all, that's why he keeps getting fines. The puzzling thing is why his tax attorneys keep putting in for the same deduction which has been disallowed 3 times before, this is the 4th time this has happened.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
32. It's what sovereign citizens do, on a larger scale
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
Sep 2016

"I've been arrested 22 times for driving without a license and lose every time, but I've just about got it." The same logic applies to someone yanking the handle of a one-armed bandit in one of the small-handed bandit's casinos.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
15. The "smoking gun" is his net income and net worth.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:46 PM
Sep 2016

Net income is located at the bottom of the second page.

I suspect he makes almost nothing and is not a billionaire. That would be a smoking gun for his ability to tell the truth.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
23. It's easy for rich people to get to zero taxes
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:31 PM
Sep 2016

One way is to make charitable contributions to your "Foundation".

And real estate tax law is really a free-for-all. Trump's real estate holdings can be skyrocketing in value, but he gets to deduct the operating costs and the "depreciation" on the buildings he owns.

Salon has some other real beauties here.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/12/10_tax_dodges_that_help_the_rich_get_richer_partner/

Something we did learn from Romney's tax return is his $100 million dollar IRA. I thought that was a real scandal. But it wasn't ever discussed that I remember.


My point is - don't go down the road of this illegal stuff. It likely won't work, and Trump gets to play the victim.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
21. I don't think anyone thinks they'll find a smoking gun...........
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:26 PM
Sep 2016

I think what people want to see, is bottom line, his income. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
3. Problem is you are encouraging someone to hack IRS computers. Not good at all.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 04:27 PM
Sep 2016

Setting yourself up for more than just a simple privacy violation charge.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
4. Or he could be encouraging
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:05 PM
Sep 2016

someone who does Trump's accounting (or even a non-accountant for works for the firm) to perform a little extra midnight photocopying. Still probably a felony, but there could be no accusation of attacking the computers of the federal government.


bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
6. It would only take one rogue IRS employee
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:13 PM
Sep 2016

and he/she could just paste them online him/herself, never mind the elitist newspapers.

Then the employee would be arrested, and would have to hope real hard for an Obama pardon in January.

KK9

(81 posts)
10. I don't know...
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:20 PM
Sep 2016

...how the IRS secures tax records, but I wouldn't be surprised to find they do it like some hospital clinical and billing systems do. Have a flag for "VIP", to indicate someone whose information is particularly sensitive for some reason (i.e., the press would be interested in it). Then heavily limit employee access to those records, based on the flag.

Democrat 4 Ever

(3,941 posts)
19. I work for the IRS and I can't imagine a single IRS employee would risk leaking his return.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:12 PM
Sep 2016

The penalties and ramifications are swift and extremely severe to any employee who accesses records without a business reason to do so. I can't even access my own records. Every keystoke is recorded and cross referenced to prevent unauthorized viewing. If I even remotely know an old neighbor from 20 years ago I cannot assist them. Period NO exceptions.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
24. Exactly.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:38 PM
Sep 2016

not only is it illegal and a firing offence. But you will likely find nothing anyway.

Like the people digging into Clinton's passport file. They didn't find anything and it backfired on the Bush campaign.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
7. Now THAT is what the 4th estate is supposed to do.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:17 PM
Sep 2016

They are supposed to be a line of truth and protection of the American people.
Not just be a money making enterprise like Beanie Babies.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
8. Talk about street cred. They would be catapulted in their careers.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:18 PM
Sep 2016

It is always inspiring to see ethics at work.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
9. When you think about it, it goes back to the question:
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:19 PM
Sep 2016

Would you abort baby Hitler if given the opportunity?

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
27. I used to think that
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:54 PM
Sep 2016

but now I wonder.

for example. you assassinate Hitler and Reinhard Heydrich takes over. So now you have a nazi dictator who is just as evil, but more ruthless and far more intelligent...


Hitler did deserve to be assassinated. so did Heydrich. But the law of unintended consequences can be a bitch.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
11. Trump doesn't want people to know he borrows from Russian oligarchs & is less than a billionaire.
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 05:20 PM
Sep 2016

We already found out he doesn't give money to charity -- hasn't given to his own foundation since about 2009.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
29. It's a non-issue at this point
Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:06 PM
Sep 2016

His low-information base -- which may or may not be growing in the post-Convention phase of the campaign -- would likely ignore or dismiss any revelation from the release of his tax returns. Unquestioningly.

Then there are those voters who would not be appalled -- let alone outraged -- by tax fraud, evasions and other "creative accounting" because they envy this nefarious skill in their quest for wealth.

At this point, we're looking at either dead-girl or live-boy scenarios to move the undecided or "leaning towards" to do what's correct -- but not right.
Not too sad...


TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
33. I had high hopes that "Anonymous" would publish Trump's tax returns
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 03:11 PM
Sep 2016

But I went to their website and they seem to be aligned with WikiLeaks and Assange.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
35. Come on people !! Catch up !!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:08 PM
Sep 2016

The Nixon tax returns that proved he was indeed a "crook,"
were leaked.

And showed scammy charitable "deductions."

Nixon had refused to release them.

They were important.

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