2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am "terrified" that Trump will be our President
That is what my wife and pretty much everyone I know and pretty much any "mainstream" republican says. I am 52 years old, and I cannot recall any election in my lifetime when anyone was terrified at the prospect that the nominee of the other party could literally change life as we know it. That's why I believe he will not be President. People going into the voting booth will literally have to decide whether they want to gamble with their lives and the lives of their children and grandchildren. For full disclosure, I voted for Hillary in NJ and always believed she would be a great President. I will work my tail off to elect Hillary, because I believe she will be a great President.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)It's your time to shine. Shine on!!
onecent
(6,096 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Trump is a buffoon who will allow Putin to move in and control Eastern Europe before he even understands what is happening while he is catfighting on twitter and driving us into bankruptcy. He is the perfect idiot to be manipulated by outside influences who want to see the United States fail.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I don't think he will be, and I want Hillary to be president over Trump any day of the week.
But I am really never "terrified" about any politician. We had some bad ones, for sure, and we will probably have some bad ones again. That's politics. That's the system. That's democracy.
I will continue to vote for DEMs, but I can only control so much.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)are aware, I trust, that a one-party state could render the Constitution little more than a dead letter?
All leftists must hope -- and work -- for the best but plan for the worst. To do otherwise is to ignore the lessons of history.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)In America.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the leadership of a charismatic figurehead. Say goodbye to checks and balances and hello to absolute tyranny.
Finally the voice of reasonableness!!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)He talks a big talk but has no substance. He's a snake oil salesman.
In the event that he is actually elected, God forbid, he'd be a nothing. He would "delegate" to others who would essentially be the neocons all over again so we'd have the same administration in place as the Bush crime cartel. It would be awful and revolting but we survived Bush though not without deep costs to our national security and economy.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)but my suspicion is that it would be a racist figurehead presidency so all of the racists in the country would feel more empowered but little of his agenda is even vaguely realistic because I don't think he can actually do his shit.
Don't get me wrong - Trump would be a disaster. But I claim he's too incompetent to actually do anything about his hate.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)1932 in referring to Herr Hitler as the "icebreaker" who would bring about the proletarian revolution.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I guess I never thought he could get this far so ...
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)A year ago, I would have agreed.
These creatures are serious about a "revolt" and "blood shed". DEAD EFFING SERIOUS!
If not a gun, carry a knife. If not a knife, carry a steel pipe. If not a steel pipe, carry pepper spray. If not pepper spray, learn to throw a punch - at the very least.
Most sincerely, Cheers.
thanks and cheers right back
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)it doesn't mean that those who follow him won't feel empowered to actualize their hatred. We have already seen many acts of violence from them and have seen him willing to stand by and cheer them on. Sometimes, depending on the are in which such acts occur, the perpetrators are not arrested. Are you in one of the groups he has pointed to as being particularly unworthy to be American? If you are, you should be concerned. Even if you aren't, you should still be concerned for those who are.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Are for women. WTF people? Are you all that self involved? Ugh.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)I need to vent and DU is a great place for this. I enjoy reading the reminders. Respectfully - please allow those of us to vent. Cheers.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Not ready to return to earlier centuries.
radius777
(3,635 posts)The POTUS is the most powerful person in the world, commander-in-chief of the most powerful military in human history, with the nuclear codes at his disposal. There are many things he could do (foreign and domestically) that don't require the approval of congress or anyone else.
Trump, fundamentally is a dictatorial ethno-nationalist/fascist whose policies could easily trigger a global economic meltdown, widespread abuse and murder of minorities/women/gays, religous persecution of Jews and Muslims, nativist policies that would deport even natural born citizens ("anchor babies" , shred the 1st amendment (is already suing several blogs and publications for stories about Melania) and the rest of the Constitution, sell/trade our national secrets to dictators like Putin.
And that would just be the beginning of it all.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)And he didn't become president, IIRC.
He freaked people out. He was wildly extreme. He couldn't even get his foot in the door of today's GOP.
VOX
(22,976 posts)His wife was a founding member of Planned Parenthood in AZ.
And he hated the hyper-religious bent the GOP was headed for:
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Silent3
(15,259 posts)...and Goldwater went on to lose by what was then the largest margin in history.
We are not so clearly out of the woods yet where Trump is concerned. He's got a much better shot than Goldwater had even though Goldwater wasn't anywhere near as scary as Trump.
radius777
(3,635 posts)with a few nutty ideas. Trump is a dictatorial fascist whose views are at odds with the Consitution and with Western values.
And since H/Dems have not run a strong campaign, Trump has a much better shot that he should have.
Silent3
(15,259 posts)While I guess you can imagine that there's something better Clinton and the Democrats could be doing to fight the media's false balance and false equivalencies and inflexible narratives and their desire to keep the election a horse race, I sure don't know myself what that something might be.