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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:44 PM Sep 2016

Trump Is Recruiting an Army of Poll Watchers. It's Even Worse Than It Sounds.


Trump Is Recruiting an Army of Poll Watchers. It's Even Worse Than It Sounds.
Voter challenges "can play out in very ugly ways."

Patrick G. Lee, ProPublica
Sep. 14, 2016 9:44 AM


Donald Trump's campaign website implores voters to "Help Me Stop Crooked Hillary From Rigging This Election!" by signing up as observers. He warned people at an August 12 campaign event in Altoona, Pennsylvania, that Clinton could win the state only by cheating, and he asked supporters to "go down to certain areas and watch and study, and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times." Less than a week later, Trump's running mate, Mike Pence, encouraged a crowd in Manchester, New Hampshire, to help ensure a fair election by serving as poll watchers because "you are the greatest vanguard for integrity in voting."

No one knows how many of the Republican nominee's supporters will heed his call to stand in polling places on November 8 and challenge some voters' credentials—but past experience suggests that a wave of partisan poll watchers could create confusion and discourage people who have a right to cast ballots.

The potential impact of poll observers varies by state, depending on each state's rules about who can monitor voting, what credentials a voter needs to get a ballot, and what a citizen must do if challenged. Adam Gitlin, counsel for the Democracy Program of New York University School of Law's Brennan Center for Justice, said an influx of inexperienced watchers could create bottlenecks, particularly if they raise systematic challenges based on voters' race, religion, or ethnicity.

"There's actually a risk that, in a more disorganized way, people are going to be showing up to the polls, they won't know the law, and they'll be engaging in discriminatory challenges," Gitlin said. "That can create the potential for a lot of disruption, longer lines because each voter takes longer to vote, and potentially discouraging and intimidating voters from coming to the polls."

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Voter challenges "can play out in very ugly ways, particularly where you have challengers who position themselves inside polling places for the sole purpose of targeting voters on unlawful and discriminatory grounds," said Kristen Clarke, executive director of the DC-based Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonprofit group that works to combat racial inequities. "The rules vary state by state, but what is almost universal is the fact that there aren't many safeguards for voters who are subject to challenges." In California, Ohio, Texas, and Alabama, poll observers cannot directly question a voter's eligibility at the polls. That's also the case in Oklahoma and West Virginia, both of which go a step further by banning watchers from polling places during voting hours.

There is also the charge that challengers tend to target minority voters. In Southbridge, Massachusetts, a town official said observers linked to tea party groups attempted to intimidate Hispanics during a 2011 primary, in part by raising frivolous challenges against them when they came to vote. Another alleged case of voter intimidation took place just before the 2004 presidential election in southern Georgia, when 95 Hispanic registered voters were summoned to a courthouse to prove they were eligible. A group of Atkinson County residents had obtained a list of all the Hispanics on the voting rolls after rumors that a candidate for county commissioner had tried to help noncitizens register.

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-poll-watchers-discrimination
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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
1. Amateur campaign recruits army of amateur thugs because that's all they got
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:51 PM
Sep 2016

No ground game, no Get Out the Vote.

Just a bunch of Right Wing Authoritarian Followers.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
3. I think the National Guard should be deployed
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:00 PM
Sep 2016

during the week of the election.

This is the most contentious and ugly election in a generation.

The GOP has spent the past decade working to restrict voting rights.

Trump has energized the deplorable element of American society, dog-whistling to them to employ intimidation tactics and even violence.

All of this is likely to play out on election day, and IMO the government should put all types of mechanisms in place to ensure that everyone who wants to vote can do so safely and in a timely manner.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
4. Because poll observers who break the rules or don't know the law are just going to be allowed...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Sep 2016

...to stay? No.

If/when one of these knuckleheads decides to make a scene, they better pray that it's legitimate. Poll workers and polling site security are not going to put up with a bunch of malcontents crying wolf, and will remove them if necessary. That will include any behavior outside the polling location, where local law enforcement will be called to resolve any major disturbances.

So where's the leftwing grassroots response to this? Anywhere? *crickets* Are they really tapping out after just one Mother Jones article?

HRC will have poll watchers too. She has a section on her site, called Protect The Vote, asking for volunteers from the legal profession to assist with local challenges just like those likely to be put forth by Trump's poll watchers.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
10. Eventually they'd be asked to leave but not, before tying the polling place up in knots.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 12:48 AM
Sep 2016

The little old ladies who work at the polls aren't prepared for insistent, bullying challengers, especially if they are credentialed by the Trump campaign. And the bullies, who think they're preventing the election from being stolen, won't leave easily. Meanwhile, they slow the process to a virtual standstill. It's been done on a smaller scale in some locales and quickly devolves into disaster. And many voters wind up leaving without casting their ballots.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. This is where the ground game kicks in.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:11 PM
Sep 2016
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/forms/protect-the-vote/

It's one thing to get people to the polls. It's another thing to get them past trump thugs.

Everyone should get a phone number from the local Democratic committee and use it to report voter suppression.

liberal N proud

(60,340 posts)
8. You can't just go into a poll location and challenge voters.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:26 PM
Sep 2016

In 2004 I volunteered as a poll observer, it required several hours of training and background check to just sit in the polling location and watch. There are a lot of thing you can't do in the poll location or they will call the law.

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
9. Yes, but per the article...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:37 PM
Sep 2016


In 46 states, the laws permit private citizens to challenge a voter's registration on or before Election Day, according to a 2012 survey by the Brennan Center. At least 32 states and the District of Columbia also allow political party designees to mount Election Day poll challenges, according to a ProPublica review of state statutes.

In many of those states, the person bringing a challenge needs little if any evidence, with the burden of proof falling on voters accused of being ineligible. According to the Brennan Center, only 15 states require supporting documentation to be included as part of a polling-place challenge. In Wisconsin, any voter can challenge someone's ballot based on the suspicion that the person is not qualified. The same goes in Virginia, Oregon, and South Carolina.


I know about the training as I looked into it here, but pro publica (site the link came from) is known for their research. I don't know, but it doesn't sound good.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
11. sigh... the Clinton campaign or the Dem Party is going to have to spend some cash
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 12:49 AM
Sep 2016

and tell people what the idiot right wing gestapo cannot do on election day or early voting venues...

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
12. Sometimes I love my privilege.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 12:55 AM
Sep 2016

Cause I would love to have one of these dorks try to impede me when I vote.

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