Bill saying the insider/outsider thing was no big deal because Hillary and Trump all hang out with the same people. It was a very short clip. I don't have cable, so will have to wait till the morning, but it was seriously not good.

It was fascinating. It's interesting how people
Want to believe insiders are all evil/ it's the whole Rw drown government in a bathtub thing inadvertently colliding. Fascinating stuff.

Will the 'outsiders' who were fence sitting now have a better excuse to vote for Clinton? Could be. Or, conversely, will 'insiders' who would be comfortable with more laisser faire economics not blink to vote Trump. I just found it a bit jaw-dropping. We'll see how it spins out tomorrow I guess.

I heard him say that HRC's biggest supporters are people who worked for her AND people who had worked for him.

So I don't think his "gaffes" are quite as serious as Hillary's - even if it was a gaffe.

doing Hillary any favors..... JMHO

He remains very popular. Only the fringe echo chambers badmouth him for usually irrational or out of context reasons. It's pure fantasy to say he is not a popular Democrat and ex-President.

I'm being Poe's Lawed here.

Saw the interview and he was fine. His usual charming and intelligent self.

She did say, before airing the clip, that they hadn't seen it, and all they were told was that it wasn't funny. From the above clip: What they played was 2:58 - 3:22 - and out of context - it is very bad.

otherwise.

because you are right. It is serious. If Hillary's strongest supporters are Trump's business partners, then the whole moral argument goes down the drain. Damn straight this is serious, and no wonder no one is talking about the Newsweek report.

business, have been burned by him, and thus know what a lowlife he is. Consequently, they want Hillary to win. Remember the people who supplied the fittings and fixtures at Trump Taj in Atlantic City, and he short changed them ? There are lots of stories of stiffing people in Manhattan as well.

I guess Rachel was contrasting it with the silly Trump and Fallon bit she played.

To be fair, Clinton was referring to all the small businesses that Trump stiffed
Trump only goes after little people who can't defend themselves againt the power of his wealth.

won states in every region of the country, 2 landslide elections, unprecedented peace and prosperity, brought people together (appealed to both PoC and working class whites) especially after the late 80's/early 90's had alot of racial division (LA riots).

Only the far right and far left has an issue with Bill Clinton, who in Howard Dean's own words, "saved the Democratic Party from itself" by moving it into the center of American politics, restoring it to national viability.

Sure, his admin overreached on some issues (crime bill, but crime was out of control and even the congressional black caucus supported the bill) and didn't go far enough on others such as gay rights (DOMA,DADT), but his admin was as diverse and liberal as the time period would allow, as the 80's/90's were one of the most politically conservative periods in the modern era.

about Bill fails to consider the realities of national politics at the time he campaigned and served. It's just wishful thinking for the irrational haters to say Bill is not an asset and is not popular.

both liberal on most issues, reliably pro-choice, voted against Citizens United, etc.

People forget that the 90's were even more conservative than the 80's, as the Reagan Revolution had only fully realized itself in the early 90s when the GOP overtook the congress. The right was really mobilized, yet still could not get a Republican president elected because Bill Clinton was a political rock star who stood firmly in their way.

Imagine if instead of the cenrist Clinton/Gore ticket Dems had put up another overly liberal ticket like Mondale/Ferraro or Dukakis/Bentsen. The GOP would've continued to steamroll and Roe v Wade (along with many other liberal achievements) would've been overturned a long time ago.

justice.

Clinton/Gore also led the way with the climate change issue decades ago. Look how the GOP still mocks that endeavor and multiply that several times over to fully realize just how much Bill/Al were ahead of their time. Liberals were openly mocked and called names, yet Clinton/Gore pursued that climate change dialogue.

You are so right about remembering just how conservative the environment was at the time Clinton/Gore were up and coming. People conveniently forget all that. Limbaugh made his name off the nonstop Clinton hate because they were such a threat to the GOP. Your post about an overly liberal ticket is also spot on. That's exactly why the Democrats had to relabel themselves so as to get around the mainstream smears about liberals at that time and reposition themselves to compete in the conservative environment.

Bill Clinton was one of the only Presidents ever to leave office with a surplus. He did that partly by raising taxes on the wealthy via rolling back the Reagan tax cuts.

Your posts have been wonderful reminders of just how and why Clinton is still so popular. And welcome to DU!

You should self-delete this nonsense.

ETA: muzzle yourself.

My goodness Bobby. Are you grouping me in to a usual Clinton hater here? I'm not voting in your election. I'm simply concerned that Bill is somewhat loose lipped, and doesn't seem to give a fuck about what he says and he is - once again - giving more fodder to the other side. Shake your head a bit. WAKE UP! Claiming that Hillary's supporters are Donald's business associates DOES NOT HELP!!!
and EDIT before you assume I am some kind of master brain of the universe giving pig feed to republicans - I am simply a philosophy major who plays chess and looks a couple of steps ahead. Not unusual, and any friends of Hillary will tell Bill to go on a long vacation to some place where he hasn't stuck his foot in his mouth yet.

If we are talking about the same line, I would think that most understood it as tongue in cheek, partly joking that her strongest supporters are those who worked with her or who have done business with him...because Trump screwed/betrayed/didn't pay them!
Not everyone who has done business with Trump is a bad person. Many middle-sized businesses got contracts to build parts of his projects and then he didn't pay them or just a fraction of what was agreed upon. This is what Clinton hinted at.

You can't go around saying Trump deals with questionable people and then claim they are your biggest supporters. I'm done with this thread. I'm not trying to spin anything - just pointing out a 'thing' that is not so easy to explain away, and Bill should be shut down. As far as keeping the nation from running rampantly right, I would just ask that you try to look a little farther afield globally - this was the Chavez revolution just south of your border. Reactionary politics that Clinton supported worked in keeping a potentially great democratic social movement in check. I would question whether this is something to be proud of

negative spin about the comments, as if everyone is going to interpret them the same wrong way you did. Nope.

You're here to shit on Bill, not to "protect" HRC. You're done with this thread? GOOD. Hopefully then no one else will have to put up with the nonsense excuses offered for starting it in the first place.

Bill Clinton was elected President twice, while you're just some complaining voice on the internet. Between the two of you, I know who I trust, and it's not you.

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rah-rah for Hillary at all. I happen to think Bill is one of the best at persuasion - i.e. his speech on the floor of convention for why Obama should win - was a Masters class.

He seems to have lost that touch - IMHO. He really rambled a lot.

Yes Bill has had his fair share of 'incidents' but the media in particular tend to hark on his past discrepancies rather than highlight his successes. He was the last president to serve with a balanced budget. Think about that into today's 'spend, spend, spend' society. Yes the Clinton's are liberal but they have a way of making things happen throughout their political careers and I just think people should focus more on what Bill did successfully which I believe is far more newsworthy than his indiscretions.

seems his rambling drawl drowned what he said out, so all is safe