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What would keep Trump from releasing totally fake tax returns? (Original Post) yellowcanine Sep 2016 OP
He'd have to be smart enough to make the numbers work radical noodle Sep 2016 #1
The IRS can audit him off of it legally if its one of their official docs I would think uponit7771 Sep 2016 #2
not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure that's not the case. unblock Sep 2016 #6
wow... that's someyhing he'd do too uponit7771 Sep 2016 #7
He has to sign it SHRED Sep 2016 #3
not in general. unblock Sep 2016 #4
Interesting and troubling question to pose. randome Sep 2016 #5
he did that with his medical records, so it wouldn't even be a surprise. unblock Sep 2016 #8
Exactly. displacedtexan Sep 2016 #10
Huge risk not much of a reward... Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #9
I've been expecting this all along. He's been completely dishonest to this point, why start now? unitedwethrive Sep 2016 #11

radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
1. He'd have to be smart enough to make the numbers work
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:43 PM
Sep 2016

I tend to think it's more likely he's faked his health report. I don't think faking IRS documents would be in his best interest.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
6. not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure that's not the case.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:56 PM
Sep 2016

well, they can question him about it, sure. any clue (irs forms or otherwise) they legally obtain that includes him claiming that he earns more than he reported, e.g., they can ask him about.

but trump could just say to the irs, hey, the forms i submitted were true, the forms i released publicly were a complete lie. the irs can't do much about it (can't even publicly reveal the lie), unless they can really prove that trump underpaid his taxes.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. He has to sign it
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:47 PM
Sep 2016

Using tax forms to lie is a crime I believe.
The IRS could indeed call him on that. They wouldn't have to release anything. Just give him a summons to appear in court.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
4. not in general.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:52 PM
Sep 2016

not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure using irs forms, even signed forms, to lie in general is not a crime.

if you submit fraudulent tax forms to the irs, then that would be a crime.
if you submit fraudulent tax forms to apply for a loan, then that would be a crime.
if you submit fraudulent tax forms to defraud others in business, then that would be a crime.

but to use them to lie in general, i don't think that's a crime.



in any event, he could just release his 1040, he doesn't have to release event damn attachment.
in theory, that is. of course, he can't release the real ones because it's obvious by now that there's damning information even at that high level, never mind in the weeds.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Interesting and troubling question to pose.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:54 PM
Sep 2016

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unblock

(52,253 posts)
8. he did that with his medical records, so it wouldn't even be a surprise.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 03:59 PM
Sep 2016

he could hand a few scribbles to suze orman or someone like that like he did with dr. oz.

wouldn't be a surprise, and the media would simply report that he released his tax info, case closed.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
9. Huge risk not much of a reward...
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 04:04 PM
Sep 2016

If he gets caught lying about his taxes to the press - its game over for him. Even if there is a whiff of doubt about them - they become his "email scandal." He's better off just taking shit for showing nothing.

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