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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:26 AM Sep 2016

Trump has reliable tells for when he's lying.

He tacks phrases like, "believe me," "trust me," "I don't know," "honestly" and other hedges onto sentences he says. Actually, since he adds those tells almost all the time, he's basically lying every time he opens his mouth. But, any time he uses words like that, what came before the tell is a blatant lie. Every freaking time.

Trump tells on himself.

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Trump has reliable tells for when he's lying. (Original Post) MineralMan Sep 2016 OP
And he makes peculiar hand gestures C_U_L8R Sep 2016 #1
Yes. Same thing. He's telling us that he's lying. MineralMan Sep 2016 #2
We were just discussing that yesterday at my house. He's like a toddler that can't help but Lucinda Sep 2016 #14
I thought the key to telling if he was lying was, if his lips were moving. politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2016 #47
Exactly. Hortensis Sep 2016 #52
Yep. To drumpf, lying is as normal as breathing. joshdawg Sep 2016 #56
The 'okey-dokey' gesture should be a trigger for a debate drinking game. Siwsan Sep 2016 #6
Those gestures are his (only) daily exercise! Per Rump MoonRiver Sep 2016 #8
But, but, but spartan61 Sep 2016 #32
But you need good vision to see them ThoughtCriminal Sep 2016 #38
His most obvious tell? Glamrock Sep 2016 #3
That's my first clue. liberal N proud Sep 2016 #5
Also, his skin turns orange world wide wally Sep 2016 #29
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't." yallerdawg Sep 2016 #4
That really sums up his behavior PatSeg Sep 2016 #23
I was gonna say "his lips are moving" Rocknrule Sep 2016 #7
And when he says something is "unbelievable" you know he is. nt pinboy3niner Sep 2016 #9
I thought it was when he was breathing. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2016 #10
"Believe me" is a definite tell. Cracklin Charlie Sep 2016 #11
sure, & the republican uses the old crowd pleaser hitler hand gestures too. Sunlei Sep 2016 #12
lacking a truthful statement as a control, it's hard to say for sure.... unblock Sep 2016 #13
Good one! randome Sep 2016 #15
Well, Oldem Sep 2016 #16
his lies are very revealing, not because they can be believed, but precisely because he chose to lie unblock Sep 2016 #18
Consider it all doublespeak. ginnyinWI Sep 2016 #17
yup. and any boast, divide it by 10. unblock Sep 2016 #19
Yeah, his lips are moving Bettie Sep 2016 #20
If his mouth is moving he is lying. redstatebluegirl Sep 2016 #21
Yes PatSeg Sep 2016 #24
Yep... sarae Sep 2016 #41
Exactly PatSeg Sep 2016 #60
The superlatives are annoying too.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #22
Biggest scumbag in political history BSdetect Sep 2016 #25
+1, the number of pants on fire lies he has told is gob smacking and tracked by wesbsites but the uponit7771 Sep 2016 #26
i really thought you were going to say barbtries Sep 2016 #27
Yeah, but...Hillary had email world wide wally Sep 2016 #28
You're right and his "tells" bug me PJMcK Sep 2016 #30
Sadly, half of the population is below average in intelligence. MineralMan Sep 2016 #31
I have a daughter with less than 10 points IQ, and she can tell the bad guys. demigoddess Sep 2016 #50
the "tells" when trump is lying: his mouth is open and moving. niyad Sep 2016 #33
When his lips are moving! BigBearJohn Sep 2016 #34
The Last Word SCVDem Sep 2016 #35
His over-enunciation is a tell that he's saying things he doesn't understand Paula Sims Sep 2016 #36
and "We have no choice." Zen Democrat Sep 2016 #37
It's not just his words though ... his upper lip starts sweating noticeably, Greywing Sep 2016 #39
Are his lips moving or fingers typing on that android? Then he his lying. kydo Sep 2016 #40
Besides "He's breathing?" okasha Sep 2016 #42
They all do. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #43
I think the first words out of Hillary's mouth at the debate..... lastlib Sep 2016 #44
I like the strategy mainstreetonce Sep 2016 #59
yes, it's when he opens his mouth. that's his biggest "tell" of all. nt Javaman Sep 2016 #45
1. His mouth is open Dem2 Sep 2016 #46
You beat me to it. Coyotl Sep 2016 #48
Simpler than that: His lips move. n/t TygrBright Sep 2016 #49
With him, it's usually one simple criterion DFW Sep 2016 #51
His lips move. That's all anyone need know. marble falls Sep 2016 #53
are there any tells for when he's not lying? n/t Enrique Sep 2016 #54
No, he's not a "liar" Boomer Sep 2016 #55
I was thinking the same thing. llmart Sep 2016 #58
I have the perfect song for him to play at his rally's jovi Sep 2016 #57

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Yes. Same thing. He's telling us that he's lying.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:28 AM
Sep 2016

He's very transparent that way. I'll bet he doesn't do well at poker, either.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
14. We were just discussing that yesterday at my house. He's like a toddler that can't help but
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:56 AM
Sep 2016

tell on himself as he's actually lying to you. Weirdest darn thing that I've seen in politics in a long time...

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
47. I thought the key to telling if he was lying was, if his lips were moving.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:56 PM
Sep 2016

The man is a compulsive liar. He can't help himself. He'll lie about what day of the week it is if no one challenges him on it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Exactly.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 05:42 AM
Sep 2016

"Believe me" may be a clue to whether he knows he's going to lie deliberately, but a lot of the time he mostly sort of believes what he says as he says it.

A major characteristic of his type of disorder is constant contradiction of oneself as whatever seems good to say changes with the moment or the butterfly flit of a typically very short attention span.

Siwsan

(26,267 posts)
6. The 'okey-dokey' gesture should be a trigger for a debate drinking game.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

Of course, my admonition would be if you choose to do this, don't try it anywhere BUT at home.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:35 AM
Sep 2016

“The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.” ― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal

PatSeg

(47,496 posts)
23. That really sums up his behavior
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:15 PM
Sep 2016

The problem for Trump is that he has to not only maintain the outrageous behavior, but he has to compete with his previous behavior if he is going to get the press's attention. Eventually, he goes from being an eccentric character, to being a ridiculous clown.

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
7. I was gonna say "his lips are moving"
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:39 AM
Sep 2016

We know he's telling the truth when he talks about wanting to bang his daughter though

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. sure, & the republican uses the old crowd pleaser hitler hand gestures too.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:49 AM
Sep 2016
He's a pro at shallow people pleasing.

Oldem

(833 posts)
16. Well,
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Sep 2016

he has said that if there was anything damaging to him, he would't release it. He's also said that Putin's invasion of the Crimea was wrong; but he got away with it, so it's okay. So he's a self-confessed ass-coverer and scofflaw. The first clearly explains why he hasn't, and won't, release his tax returns and why we can't believe the release of his health record to "Dr.", actually Mr., Oz. The second tells us plainly what kind of president he'd be. He'd make Nixon look like a paragon of virtue. These are only two examples of his telling the truth about himself, and even if they were inadvertent, listening to him does reveal his view the truth--from his own mouth.

unblock

(52,248 posts)
18. his lies are very revealing, not because they can be believed, but precisely because he chose to lie
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:10 AM
Sep 2016

so, for instance, when he claims to be very rich, believe me, you know there's something up with that. he's not nearly as rich as he claims to be.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
17. Consider it all doublespeak.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:07 AM
Sep 2016

What ever he says, the opposite is closer to the truth.

And whatever he is accusing Hillary of, it's very likely that he's guilty of it, or thinking he will be accused of it soon.

unblock

(52,248 posts)
19. yup. and any boast, divide it by 10.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:12 AM
Sep 2016

he claims to be worth $4 billion. i'm thinking he's not even a half-billionaire.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. If his mouth is moving he is lying.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:32 AM
Sep 2016

You don't need a tell with him, he has lied so much he doesn't know what the truth is. He believes his own lies at this point.

PatSeg

(47,496 posts)
24. Yes
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:16 PM
Sep 2016

That is why he can lie so easily. He convinces himself that what he says is true and banishes anyone who disagrees with him.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
41. Yep...
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 09:00 PM
Sep 2016

that, and he's not burdened with any pesky inconveniences like morals, a conscience, or a sense of ethics.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. The superlatives are annoying too....
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:53 AM
Sep 2016

Everything he does is the best and everything everyone else does is the worst.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
26. +1, the number of pants on fire lies he has told is gob smacking and tracked by wesbsites but the
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
Sep 2016

.. fuckin M$M still treats the candidates like they're equal and ask the uninformed question of "why is he does so well" when the guy still has never reached 45% avg nationally

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
30. You're right and his "tells" bug me
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
Sep 2016

Donald Trump's lying is so blatantly transparent that I don't understand the people supporting him. I know they hate Hillary Clinton because she's done all the things-- and more-- that she and her husband have been accused of. (snark) Of course, the inept Republicans have never even been able to indict her let alone convict and "lock her up." Yet there are people who think he's great.

Nearly everything Mr. Trump says is either demonstrably false or it's a reversal of a position he's stated. You can instantly sense that he's scamming or lying to you. You point out, MineralMan, that his use of certain code words are his "tells." Another poster pointed out that his hand gestures are also "tells." As a New Yorker, I've seen his behavior since the 1970's and I've never understood how anyone takes this buffoon seriously and that includes banks, contractors and the general public. He's not even charming which is a tool many con artists will use for their scam. He's coarse, crude and rude. Why would anyone with a brain and a modicum of common sense listen to this idiot? Why would anyone want to do business with him?

I hope he loses the election, loses the Trump University lawsuits, and has damaged his business brand to the point that he'll lose much of it and any credibility he has left and just disappear. That probably won't happen so I'll be satisfied if he loses to Hillary Clinton.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
31. Sadly, half of the population is below average in intelligence.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:57 PM
Sep 2016

That's why the Republican Party exists in the first place. That's why this nation is pretty evenly divided, politically. People who cannot tell who is lying and who can't use critical thinking also vote. It's one of the difficulties of maintaining a democratic republic.

The leadership of the Republican Party is made up of cynical people who know that they can take advantage of others to gain power. This is why we must work hard to stay on a progressive path. There are those who would like us not to do that. We must stay vigilant and work to get out the vote of progressives.

It is that simple. Donald Trump is one of the least skilled politicians to run for President, ever. His transparency should be enough reason for him to lose, but he is appealing strongly to the uninformed, unintelligent and uneducated. He's dangerous. We must stand together against his brand of selfish greed.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
50. I have a daughter with less than 10 points IQ, and she can tell the bad guys.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 12:50 AM
Sep 2016

Old trump couldn't pass her test.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
35. The Last Word
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:00 PM
Sep 2016

Lawrence cited tRump's 9-11 comment on losing hundreds of friends.

L O'D tweeted his lie.

Next it was many friends although he couldn't name any.

Now he doesn't use that lie anymore.

As Bart would always say: Keep swinging!

Paula Sims

(877 posts)
36. His over-enunciation is a tell that he's saying things he doesn't understand
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:05 PM
Sep 2016

That's the same tell my boss has. My boss is a theater major that ended up in an economic field (don't ask) and I can always tell when he speaks about something he has no knowledge about and is just repeating what was told - he over-enunciates and speaks very slowly. Same thing with Donnie - think about when he was talking about the L-G-B-T-Q -- sounded like reading an eye chart.

Lots of tells. The issue is -- will people listen?? I think not. . .

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
39. It's not just his words though ... his upper lip starts sweating noticeably,
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 07:58 PM
Sep 2016

his faced gets very flushed and his eyes open wider (like he's trying to appear earnest)

kydo

(2,679 posts)
40. Are his lips moving or fingers typing on that android? Then he his lying.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:10 PM
Sep 2016

That's how I can tell when the don of the cheeto is lying.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
43. They all do.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Sep 2016

Tell on themselves.

Some are slicker than others.

Some *targets* are more
Innocent
Naive
Raging Inside
Raging Outside
Uninformed
Disinformed
Collecting Govt Assistance like: VA, Soc.Sec., Disability
Resenting People on Govt Assistance
Resenting People on Govt Assistance While Collecting ...Govt Assistance
Self-Righteous
Just Plain Stupid

lastlib

(23,244 posts)
44. I think the first words out of Hillary's mouth at the debate.....
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:07 PM
Sep 2016

..should be, "If he says 'Believe me,' DON'T believe him!"

That will not only set the audience up for looking for falsehoods, it will force Little Donny to be conscious of his tendency to say those telling phrases; and once he starts thinking about those, he will get rattled a lot more easily and blow his lines.

I think it's a GREAT way to set him up!

And if I was Hillary Clinton, just before that first debate, I would turn Elizabeth Warren loose on the most vicious Twitter tear Little Donny has ever seen. Let her burn him to the ground and get him hot under the collar, right before the debate. Then watch his composure fall apart. He can't help himself.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
59. I like the strategy
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:06 AM
Sep 2016

Have Warren give out a list of phrases to look for that signal a lie.

I can tell you this.

Believe me.

Some people say

A lot of people say that( but he can never give a real source)


Try to make him careful about over using Trump phrases. He won't be able to talk.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
55. No, he's not a "liar"
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:24 AM
Sep 2016

To say that Trump is lying implies that he knows what the truth is and then consciously, deliberately tells a mistruth.

The situation is far worse than that. As a narcissist, Trump is oblivious to the truth because it's irrelevant to his self-interest. Whether or not something is true just doesn't matter to him one way or another. All that matters is that his version of reality makes him the center of attention and better than anyone else.

If Trump were a deliberate liar, like his rival Ted Cruz, I wouldn't be as worried about his presidency (relatively speaking). At least a liar has a firm grasp on reality; Donald Trump does not.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
58. I was thinking the same thing.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

I've known a couple of narcissists intimately and it's infuriating how they lie and truly believe their lies. It comes naturally to people with NPD. Also, because they lack empathy they don't care if their lies harm others. The only person they truly care about is themselves.

jovi

(61 posts)
57. I have the perfect song for him to play at his rally's
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

Last edited Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Meghan Trainor's "Your lips are Moving" some of the words...

If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving
If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby
If your lips are moving, if your lips are moving
If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin', baby

I know you lie
'Cause your lips are moving
Tell me do you think I'm dumb?
I might be young, but I ain't stupid
Talking around in circles with your tongue

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