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TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 12:26 PM Sep 2016

Anthropologist Jane Goodall: Trump’s debate style reminds me of ‘dominance rituals’ of chimps

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/anthropologist-jane-goodall-trumps-debate-style-reminds-me-of-dominance-rituals-of-chimps/

In an interview with the Atlantic, famed anthropologist Jane Goodall stated that watching GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump in the Republican debates reminded her of how chimps act in order to express dominance.

“In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks,” she explained. “In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals..

According to Goodall, famous for her landmark book My Life with the Chimpanzees, Trump reminds her of one chimp in particular — whom she called Mike — who created unnecessary noise in order to scare off his rivals.
“The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position,”she explained.

The anthropologist stated that she plans to watch the debates between Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and that she expected she will see a lot of Mike in Trump’s performance.



I can see that relationship, which is affirmed by just going to the zoo a few times and by watching nature shows.


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Anthropologist Jane Goodall: Trump’s debate style reminds me of ‘dominance rituals’ of chimps (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Sep 2016 OP
This is perfect! apcalc Sep 2016 #1
LOL! That branch-shaking thing popped into my mind immediately, as soon as I read the headline ! nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2016 #2
Mike the Chimp was a better human being than Donald Trump Martin Eden Sep 2016 #3
I would compare Trump to more of a house fly or msquito world wide wally Sep 2016 #5
The GOP should have nominated Mike. n/t susanna Sep 2016 #4
At least he is cute (Mike). riversedge Sep 2016 #9
You're right - Mike might have won on cuteness. susanna Sep 2016 #24
They did (n/t) EL34x4 Sep 2016 #15
One Chimp is enough already. yellerpup Sep 2016 #6
He reminds me more of a two year old who is being told 'no' Snake Plissken Sep 2016 #7
What a hoot. and so true! riversedge Sep 2016 #8
By the third debate, Granny M Sep 2016 #10
Just his BS, and it won't take that long - but good image! ColemanMaskell Sep 2016 #13
Lol. Another argument for requiring them to sit at a table. Hortensis Sep 2016 #23
Yes, I agree. Granny M Sep 2016 #28
Not sure but don't think so. "Narcissism" and "passive-aggressive" Hortensis Sep 2016 #30
I don't think there will be one... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #34
Let's hope Clinton wins big in the first two. Granny M Sep 2016 #36
Mike probably has more class NastyRiffraff Sep 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Jim__ Sep 2016 #12
So what became of Mike the chimp? EL34x4 Sep 2016 #14
Jane I love you but you are wrong! Botany Sep 2016 #16
He's better looking than Trump. Much more handsome. demigoddess Sep 2016 #21
Bigger hands, too. Wednesdays Sep 2016 #29
Yuge. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #35
It might be funny but it's also very telling about us as a species. nolabear Sep 2016 #17
Trump, the Feces Hurler. If you lack the smarts, just throw shit ..... Coyotl Sep 2016 #18
I see him more as a cross between a yellow jacket and a black mamba snake blm Sep 2016 #19
Trump starring in 2001: A Space Odyssey BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #20
This pretty well nails it! lastlib Sep 2016 #40
Anthropologists aren't subject to the ethical restrictions that psychiatrists are... bluedigger Sep 2016 #22
Chump will be 'displaying' at the debates. lovemydog Sep 2016 #25
Chump -- hilarious! Perfect! N/T Sunny05 Sep 2016 #32
Those poor chimps! caballojm Sep 2016 #26
Interesting. Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has written tanyev Sep 2016 #27
Agree. Check out TPM Sunny05 Sep 2016 #33
And Josh has a new one up--it's a doozy! tanyev Sep 2016 #42
Wow. Chills ... Sunny05 Sep 2016 #43
She was too polite to say Trump's style is flinging poop pinboy3niner Sep 2016 #31
I think Ms. Goodall insulted the chimpanzees............. raven mad Sep 2016 #37
I fully expect Trump to shit in his hand and throw it at some point Major Nikon Sep 2016 #38
It's the orangutan in him. lastlib Sep 2016 #39
It says more about his deplorable followers than about him Xipe Totec Sep 2016 #41
Jane Goodall has always impressed the heck outa me. Nothing has changed there. nt BootinUp Sep 2016 #44

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
3. Mike the Chimp was a better human being than Donald Trump
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:11 PM
Sep 2016

Of course, the same could be said for any member of the animal kingdom.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
5. I would compare Trump to more of a house fly or msquito
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:25 PM
Sep 2016

A totally unhealthy annoyance that spreads diseases

susanna

(5,231 posts)
24. You're right - Mike might have won on cuteness.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:53 PM
Sep 2016

Mike might be even more qualified, come to think of it.

Nevermind.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
6. One Chimp is enough already.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 01:31 PM
Sep 2016

And I'm sure all of Chimpy's fans will line up behind Trump. I'm scared to find out how many have a visceral reaction to him.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Lol. Another argument for requiring them to sit at a table.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:51 PM
Sep 2016

It's believed it would inhibit Trump's aggressive displays, including feces throwing of course, and help the moderator keep control. For those reasons, he'd almost certainly never agree.

There's some indications that, craving "love" from others, he might be more timid/anxious face to face, at least when there is the dreadful threat of being disrespected or rejected. He didn't bring up paying for the wall when he was actually with President Pena Nieto, which might have resulted in rejection, and he backed right down when directly approached by that pastor in Flint who might have withdrawn her love. I'd love to hear Goodall on that. He apparently automatically tries charm before moving on to the inevitable rage reaction--slinging hostile BS from a distance.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
28. Yes, I agree.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:03 PM
Sep 2016

Is that passive-agressive behaviour? He can't argue a point logically and calmly, so he either starts name-calling or clams up. Then later the aggression comes out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Not sure but don't think so. "Narcissism" and "passive-aggressive"
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:07 PM
Sep 2016

get a lot of hits from people sharing their experiences with people with this disorder, but these lay people apparently divide them into grandiose and passive-aggressive imaginary-victim types according to the emotional weapons they prefer to wield.

Donald's definitely grandiose. I think he fits the standard pattern of craving love, admiration, adulation of crowds in his case, and reacting with the prototypical "rage" (not the same as anger in them) revenge attacks toward those who don't feed his need. Look at the switch in tone from agreeable to an alarmingly hard-core speech after he came back from Mexico and at his hostile tweets to the pastor after he'd left (imagining he was hitting her so hard her head spun no doubt).

And, of course, toward those he thinks he has power over, he is bullying, humiliating, exploitative, cheating, and manipulative, a very alarming pattern for a man who would be POTUS. Just being embarrassed by the president of Mexico caused him to later that same day promise to create a special force that would pound at the doors of perhaps millions of people and drag them away for deportation.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
34. I don't think there will be one...
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 07:58 PM
Sep 2016

he is going to duck it and blame it on something stupid, like it's rigged or something. And his followers will lap it up.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
36. Let's hope Clinton wins big in the first two.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:23 PM
Sep 2016

Third one will have a fox moderator, so he'd have to be losing pretty badly to pass up the kid glove treatment he'd get at that one.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
11. Mike probably has more class
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:07 PM
Sep 2016

Chimps display to show dominance, but they don't (usually) specifically call for violence on another chimp.

Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
14. So what became of Mike the chimp?
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:15 PM
Sep 2016

Did he establish dominance or did the other chimps drive him away?

This primate is curious.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
16. Jane I love you but you are wrong!
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:21 PM
Sep 2016


His fingers look of normal size and he doesn't have a hair piece/comb over.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
17. It might be funny but it's also very telling about us as a species.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:23 PM
Sep 2016

People respond positively to such things when they're afraid and want to be protected by some big tribal leader. It's a limbic system response. Feelings of safety engender the ability to think rather than feel, to be generous rather than to hoard, to build bridges rather than walls.

Here is Trump's evil genius. He uses embers of fear and stokes them into terror, then makes those displays to convince the frightened that "Only I can fix it." The people responding truly believe him, not realizing that he IS the threat. We have to ride a fine line between not letting them get away with acting out of that fear and not stoking it ourselves by making them think they'll be abandoned by us.

blm

(113,064 posts)
19. I see him more as a cross between a yellow jacket and a black mamba snake
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:26 PM
Sep 2016

The schizophrenics of their species.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
22. Anthropologists aren't subject to the ethical restrictions that psychiatrists are...
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 02:51 PM
Sep 2016

in evaluating public behavior.

caballojm

(272 posts)
26. Those poor chimps!
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 03:23 PM
Sep 2016

How would any of you like to be compared to Donald Trump? Jane Goodall of all people should know better!

tanyev

(42,564 posts)
27. Interesting. Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has written
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:01 PM
Sep 2016

a few analyses of Trump's style and he calls it dominance politics.

Sunny05

(865 posts)
33. Agree. Check out TPM
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 07:08 PM
Sep 2016

I am glad you brought this up. Josh Marshall of TPM has nailed it about djt being driven by dominance politics and seeing EVERYthing in binary terms of dominating or being dominated.

Like DU, TPM has become one of my main go-tos. I feel like he and his reporters read my mind -- except that they actually do some investigative reporting and then share that with the rest of us! Hoo boy. Also, Josh Marshall's "trump's razor" is really insightful -- funny, terrifying, but insightful.

tanyev

(42,564 posts)
42. And Josh has a new one up--it's a doozy!
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:45 PM
Sep 2016

At the time I posted, I was remembering a couple he'd done toward the end of the GOP primary, but he wrote about it again on Saturday.

Trump lives in a psychic economy of aggression and domination. There are dominators and the dominated. No in between. Every attack he receives, every ego injury must be answered, rebalanced with some new aggression to reassert dominance. These efforts are often wildly self-destructive. We've seen the pattern again and again. The Khans, Judge Curiel, Ted Cruz, virtually every Republican presidential candidate at one point or another, half the reporters who've covered Trump. We can't know a man's inner thoughts. But we've seen action and reaction more than enough times to infer, or rather deduce, his instincts and needs with some precision.

Trump is injured by attacks and slights as we all are. But for Trump they create an inner turbulence which forces an almost peristaltic response. The inner equilibrium must be reestablished. The salient fact about Trump isn't his cruelty or penchant for aggression and violence. It's his inability to control urges and drives most people gain control over very early in life. There are plenty of sadists and sociopaths in the world. They're not remarkable. The scariest have a high degree of impulse control (iciness) which allows them to inflict pain on others when no one is looking or when they will pay no price for doing so. What is true with Trump is what every critic has been saying for a year: the most obvious and contrived provocation can goad this thin skinned charlatan into a wild outburst. He's a seventy year old man with children and grandchildren and he has no self-control.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-fever-inside

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
37. I think Ms. Goodall insulted the chimpanzees.............
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:42 PM
Sep 2016

they have SO much more intelligence than sTrumpet.

lastlib

(23,244 posts)
39. It's the orangutan in him.
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:39 AM
Sep 2016

And, as with most primates, it's all about proving dominance. In his little mind, Hillary won't win the debate unless she proves clearly she's the "dominant male". On facts and substance, she will likely beat the monkey poop out of him, but to him and his followers, it won't be a win unless she beats her chest and stomps the ground better.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
41. It says more about his deplorable followers than about him
Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:26 AM
Sep 2016

After all, they are the ones allowing him to climb the dominance hierarchy.

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