2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnthropologist Jane Goodall: Trump’s debate style reminds me of ‘dominance rituals’ of chimps
In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks, she explained. In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals..
According to Goodall, famous for her landmark book My Life with the Chimpanzees, Trump reminds her of one chimp in particular whom she called Mike who created unnecessary noise in order to scare off his rivals.
The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position,she explained.
The anthropologist stated that she plans to watch the debates between Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and that she expected she will see a lot of Mike in Trumps performance.
I can see that relationship, which is affirmed by just going to the zoo a few times and by watching nature shows.
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apcalc
(4,465 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,266 posts)Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)Of course, the same could be said for any member of the animal kingdom.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)A totally unhealthy annoyance that spreads diseases
susanna
(5,231 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)Mike might be even more qualified, come to think of it.
Nevermind.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)And I'm sure all of Chimpy's fans will line up behind Trump. I'm scared to find out how many have a visceral reaction to him.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)he'll be throwing his feces.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's believed it would inhibit Trump's aggressive displays, including feces throwing of course, and help the moderator keep control. For those reasons, he'd almost certainly never agree.
There's some indications that, craving "love" from others, he might be more timid/anxious face to face, at least when there is the dreadful threat of being disrespected or rejected. He didn't bring up paying for the wall when he was actually with President Pena Nieto, which might have resulted in rejection, and he backed right down when directly approached by that pastor in Flint who might have withdrawn her love. I'd love to hear Goodall on that. He apparently automatically tries charm before moving on to the inevitable rage reaction--slinging hostile BS from a distance.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)Is that passive-agressive behaviour? He can't argue a point logically and calmly, so he either starts name-calling or clams up. Then later the aggression comes out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)get a lot of hits from people sharing their experiences with people with this disorder, but these lay people apparently divide them into grandiose and passive-aggressive imaginary-victim types according to the emotional weapons they prefer to wield.
Donald's definitely grandiose. I think he fits the standard pattern of craving love, admiration, adulation of crowds in his case, and reacting with the prototypical "rage" (not the same as anger in them) revenge attacks toward those who don't feed his need. Look at the switch in tone from agreeable to an alarmingly hard-core speech after he came back from Mexico and at his hostile tweets to the pastor after he'd left (imagining he was hitting her so hard her head spun no doubt).
And, of course, toward those he thinks he has power over, he is bullying, humiliating, exploitative, cheating, and manipulative, a very alarming pattern for a man who would be POTUS. Just being embarrassed by the president of Mexico caused him to later that same day promise to create a special force that would pound at the doors of perhaps millions of people and drag them away for deportation.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)he is going to duck it and blame it on something stupid, like it's rigged or something. And his followers will lap it up.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)Third one will have a fox moderator, so he'd have to be losing pretty badly to pass up the kid glove treatment he'd get at that one.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Chimps display to show dominance, but they don't (usually) specifically call for violence on another chimp.
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EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Did he establish dominance or did the other chimps drive him away?
This primate is curious.
Botany
(70,516 posts)His fingers look of normal size and he doesn't have a hair piece/comb over.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)Wednesdays
(17,380 posts)nt
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)People respond positively to such things when they're afraid and want to be protected by some big tribal leader. It's a limbic system response. Feelings of safety engender the ability to think rather than feel, to be generous rather than to hoard, to build bridges rather than walls.
Here is Trump's evil genius. He uses embers of fear and stokes them into terror, then makes those displays to convince the frightened that "Only I can fix it." The people responding truly believe him, not realizing that he IS the threat. We have to ride a fine line between not letting them get away with acting out of that fear and not stoking it ourselves by making them think they'll be abandoned by us.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)blm
(113,064 posts)The schizophrenics of their species.
BumRushDaShow
(129,084 posts)lastlib
(23,244 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)in evaluating public behavior.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Clinton will be debating.
Sunny05
(865 posts)caballojm
(272 posts)How would any of you like to be compared to Donald Trump? Jane Goodall of all people should know better!
tanyev
(42,564 posts)a few analyses of Trump's style and he calls it dominance politics.
Sunny05
(865 posts)I am glad you brought this up. Josh Marshall of TPM has nailed it about djt being driven by dominance politics and seeing EVERYthing in binary terms of dominating or being dominated.
Like DU, TPM has become one of my main go-tos. I feel like he and his reporters read my mind -- except that they actually do some investigative reporting and then share that with the rest of us! Hoo boy. Also, Josh Marshall's "trump's razor" is really insightful -- funny, terrifying, but insightful.
tanyev
(42,564 posts)At the time I posted, I was remembering a couple he'd done toward the end of the GOP primary, but he wrote about it again on Saturday.
Trump is injured by attacks and slights as we all are. But for Trump they create an inner turbulence which forces an almost peristaltic response. The inner equilibrium must be reestablished. The salient fact about Trump isn't his cruelty or penchant for aggression and violence. It's his inability to control urges and drives most people gain control over very early in life. There are plenty of sadists and sociopaths in the world. They're not remarkable. The scariest have a high degree of impulse control (iciness) which allows them to inflict pain on others when no one is looking or when they will pay no price for doing so. What is true with Trump is what every critic has been saying for a year: the most obvious and contrived provocation can goad this thin skinned charlatan into a wild outburst. He's a seventy year old man with children and grandchildren and he has no self-control.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-fever-inside
Sunny05
(865 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)they have SO much more intelligence than sTrumpet.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)lastlib
(23,244 posts)And, as with most primates, it's all about proving dominance. In his little mind, Hillary won't win the debate unless she proves clearly she's the "dominant male". On facts and substance, she will likely beat the monkey poop out of him, but to him and his followers, it won't be a win unless she beats her chest and stomps the ground better.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)After all, they are the ones allowing him to climb the dominance hierarchy.