2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2 arguments I have heard...
1. The president had more votes against him then any other President. 2. Look at how much red there is on a map.
One friend, said if you drive a car from NY to LA and your car breaks down, you will have a 98% chance of being in "red country".
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Also, it is an optical illusion - the blue is in two separate pieces that when put together is about the same as the red.
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)...as the entire state of Kentucky.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Guess where all the red states are....
States Ranked by Size & Population
Anyone with one eye and two functioning brain cells can see that the "big red area" nonsense is a load of BS.
Mister Ed
(5,941 posts)1) If it's true that more people voted against Obama than any other president in history, I expect you'll find it's also true that more people voted for Obama than almost any other president in history. Reason would be that the population has grown, and there are more and more total voters over time.
2) People vote. Empty acres of land do not.
kalli007
(683 posts)Nt
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)The first approach is inherently a glass half empty one, in effect viewing things in reverse and/or negatively, and the second is misunderstanding how electoral votes are assigned and what coloring the map signifies.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)1. So what? He won the popular vote twice. End of discussion.
2. Once again, so what? That's not where most of the people live. I'm delighted because I think that this election does much toward putting to an end the argument that a much idealized "heartland" is the only real USA. It's not.
unblock
(52,273 posts)Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)this year... and as said earlier, it doesn't matter.
The 62+ million votes Barack Obama will end up with will end up being the second most votes EVER for a candidate for president. What is number one? BARACK OBAMA'S 69,499,428 in 2008.
By the way, once all the votes are in that claim #1 will probably be true... But as of this moment IT IS NOT... John Kerry (and others) had more votes against W in 2004 than Romney and others have this year. Once all the outstanding votes are counted that may not be true.
First, there's no way to measure votes against. The fact remains that more people voted for Obama than for Romney. President Obama won the popular vote.
Second, so what. You can rephrase the hypothetical any number of ways, and it would be equally meaningless. If you drive car through the most populous states, you will have a 98% chance of being in Blue Country. If you drive through the least well educated states, you will have a 98% chance of being in Red Country. If you drive through Red Country, then most people you meet, black or white, will be food stamp recipients. All of that is meaningless.
Third, while the red/blue divide is very obvious in the maps that show only the red/blue divide, the purple map is perhaps more representative. This map breaks down the vote by county, so red and blue do often blend. And I would guess that you could chart a route from sea to shining sea that goes only through blue counties and another oute that goes only through red counties. An entertaining exercise, perhaps, but as pointless as the example given.
Mz Pip
(27,452 posts)So much of that Red country is empty.
Obama won and there is no way to slice and dice it.
IowaGuy
(778 posts)If jackrabbits and armadilloes voted the repugs would have it made in the shade.....
(but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Rove targeted the jackalope demographic and still managed to screw it up.....)
pasto76
(1,589 posts)alot of counties were close, and apparently that put him over the top. "look at all that red". heh. guess they never drove across the country, where there is n-o-t-h-i-n-g for hundreds of miles.