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Trump is +13 with white men, but Romney was +27 with white men. (Original Post) onehandle Sep 2016 OP
I like it! GWC58 Sep 2016 #1
It's the college educated white men that are diluting his gains with non-college white men bluestateguy Sep 2016 #2
Well in my years of experience in the work world, pennylane100 Sep 2016 #5
To quote a character from The Wire. iandhr Sep 2016 #11
Rachel's analysis was brilliant. mainstreetonce Sep 2016 #3
See, this is another reason the LV polls seem off by a notable number. I'm not into looking into... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #4
I'm confused bmstee01 Sep 2016 #6
My question also. LAS14 Sep 2016 #7
Exactly. Something doesn't add up. LisaL Sep 2016 #8
I believe they're letting the uneducated tabulate the polling numbers. That'd explain it . . . Journeyman Sep 2016 #9
i think they are assuming angry white men will turnout in huge numbers JI7 Sep 2016 #10
When a group is angry Matthew28 Sep 2016 #13
The groups Trump demonizes are also fearful, angry and motivated radius777 Sep 2016 #15
"If she can win white women" -- Romney won those by 13% margin progree Sep 2016 #16
Good info. For some reason I thought it was a smaller margin. radius777 Sep 2016 #23
I haven't figured it out either progree Sep 2016 #25
White privilage and religion GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #28
I'm an angry, educated white man... neeksgeek Sep 2016 #14
+ 3.14159 klook Sep 2016 #17
i'm talking about white men who are angry over things like blacks, women etc becoming president JI7 Sep 2016 #19
I'm not one of them, I wasn't trying to criticize your post. neeksgeek Sep 2016 #32
😄 / nt Sunny05 Sep 2016 #20
Angry white men always turn out kevink077 Sep 2016 #26
angry over a black president and other changes in "their country". these people did not like McCain JI7 Sep 2016 #27
This middle aged white man GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #29
That's it exactly. neeksgeek Sep 2016 #33
I have wondered that ... but was this based on preliminary Sunny05 Sep 2016 #18
They may not have college educations, but they're in the trades TexasBushwhacker Sep 2016 #24
She's underperforming compared to Obamas numbers ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #31
Hmmmm! Madam45for2923 Sep 2016 #12
I love Rachel. nt Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #21
So happy. But have question. Sunny05 Sep 2016 #22
Stupid White Men... Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #30

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
2. It's the college educated white men that are diluting his gains with non-college white men
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 09:45 PM
Sep 2016

For every white male construction worker Trump gains he seems to lose a white male middle manager.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. Well in my years of experience in the work world,
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 09:52 PM
Sep 2016

There were some pretty awful middle managers out there but you are right, most of them would not support the orange monstrosity that is Trump.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
11. To quote a character from The Wire.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:31 PM
Sep 2016

Colvin (a police district commander) felt sorry middle management in the drug trade "middle management means you have just enough authoritiy so people have to listen to what I say but not enough that you can tell anybody tongs full themselves"

I imagine it can be similar in the business world

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
4. See, this is another reason the LV polls seem off by a notable number. I'm not into looking into...
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Sep 2016

... polling detail like that but how in the hell in poll after poll there's some crappy numbers relative to rMoney but he can still be up in swings

bmstee01

(453 posts)
6. I'm confused
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 09:56 PM
Sep 2016

If Hillary is beating trump by every demo except for uneducated white men, how are the numbers to close?

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
13. When a group is angry
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:39 PM
Sep 2016

It trends to turn out.

Hopefully hispanics turn out. 2012 only seen 48%? of their electorate turn out...If there was ever a time for them to match the 64% turn out of the black electorate this would be it.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
15. The groups Trump demonizes are also fearful, angry and motivated
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:58 PM
Sep 2016

but they're just not as vocal or covered by the media.

I've heard several reports about latinos and immigrants who never voted before registering primarily to vote against trump.

Trump is the birther-in-chief who led the witchhunt against the first black president, and black voters will turnout in force imo.

Women detest Trump, I'd expect even moderate Repub women to vote for Hillary. If she can win white women (which Romney won iirc by a few points) game over, as they're an important demographic especially in swing states.

Young people i think will 'come home' eventually, once they realize how dangerous Trump (and Pence, who is just as scary, just in a different way) are to their future.

The key to all of this is Hillary and Obama rallying these groups, which are essentially the base of the party, and they have the perfect villains in Trump/Pence to do it.

progree

(10,908 posts)
16. "If she can win white women" -- Romney won those by 13% margin
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:23 PM
Sep 2016

per Reuters http://elections.reuters.com/#poll (but it has long disappeared). Interesting married white females gave Romney a 24% margin while unmarried white female voted for Obama by a 5% margin

If she can win white women (which Romney won iirc by a few points)

Anyway, it will sure help a lot if that 13% margin just went to 0%.

Oh -- this also has the white female vote overall: 56% to 42% in favor of Romney (a 14% margin). White men voted for Romney by a 27% margin
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/#exit-polls

radius777

(3,635 posts)
23. Good info. For some reason I thought it was a smaller margin.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:44 PM
Sep 2016

I find it amazing that white women could vote for a party that is so rabidly anti-woman, just goes to show that misogyny comes not just from men, but from women also.

progree

(10,908 posts)
25. I haven't figured it out either
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:16 AM
Sep 2016
I find it amazing that white women could vote for a party that is so rabidly anti-woman

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
28. White privilage and religion
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:27 AM
Sep 2016

Enough of them can never see needing help in life from the government. And of course they have had good family planning their entire lives and were able to perfectly plan their 1.8 children. The thought that someone might not be so lucky does not pass their mind.

And if it does they assume the are black women and they deserve what the get.

Disgusting.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
19. i'm talking about white men who are angry over things like blacks, women etc becoming president
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:30 PM
Sep 2016

brown people coming to the US etc.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
32. I'm not one of them, I wasn't trying to criticize your post.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 11:30 AM
Sep 2016

Just pointing out, to anyone reading, that not all white people are Trump supporters.

kevink077

(365 posts)
26. Angry white men always turn out
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
Sep 2016

For the GOP...there are not many more to find. and why are White men so angry anyway? I am white and see nothing to be angry about. That is just me though.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
27. angry over a black president and other changes in "their country". these people did not like McCain
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:24 AM
Sep 2016

or Romney so some are thinking the ones who didn't vote when they were the nominee will vote now that they have someone they want as nominee.

the problem with that is that many of these types were so angry over a black man becoming president that they voted for mccain and romney even if they did not like them but just to stop obama .

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
29. This middle aged white man
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:29 AM
Sep 2016

I very angry about other angry white men who are stupid enough to vote for Trump.

All I can say is that I will cancel out one of their votes. But I have convinced a few friends and family to vote for Hillary.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
33. That's it exactly.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 11:33 AM
Sep 2016

I'm also angry about the flames of violence that Trump and his supporters, in my opinion, are fanning vigorously. They appear to want violence! That's worth getting angry about.

Sunny05

(865 posts)
18. I have wondered that ... but was this based on preliminary
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:29 PM
Sep 2016

early voting numbers in NC? At one point, she was giving very general info with bar chart on democrats vs repubs vs two other categories (that I didnt catch). When ch makes sense, b/c I dont think they can release (dont think media even gets) the per candidate stuff. (And the numbers she reported may have been on all races, not just presidential. Not sure.)

Well, while she was covering generalities of who voted early in NC, I missed a minute or so and then, when I started to follow her again, she was talking about twhat this thread is on. So I am just not sure.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,192 posts)
24. They may not have college educations, but they're in the trades
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:52 PM
Sep 2016

small business owners and frankly, people like Trump and that timeshare asshole in Florida and Sheldon Adelson. The whole "I've got mine and you can suck it" group.

Sunny05

(865 posts)
22. So happy. But have question.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 11:34 PM
Sep 2016

What source was Rachel Maddow drawing from? Did you catch that? I was watching but missed when she started that topic. Thx!

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
30. Stupid White Men...
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 12:30 AM
Sep 2016

We've got to keep them, and the stupid orange man, as far away as possible from the WH.

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